VaughnSangrey:


Whyte literally ducked an eliminator against Ortiz. Parker was a champ. How will guys like povetkin get their pay days if Ortiz derails their train? Like I said, high risk, low reward.

VaughnSangrey:

All the heavyweights have a resume filled with bums because the division is trash. Until they get that shot against a respectable opponent that is. Ortiz never got that and unfortunately for him when he did he got it against the heaviest hitting heavyweight of all time.

VaughnSangrey:

Fury did a very good job of not getting hit until he did and that's why he lasted that long. That's the scary thing about wilder, like you said everyone gets hit, wilder doesn't just hit he levels people. AJ has power but it's not a one punch KO type power, it's more of a he hits hard until it accumulates type power. He won't last long enough. In the heavyweight division everyone carries power and yes he has a punchers chance but it's extremely slim.

KNIGHTBlaed:


True this. I'd like to see Ruiz Wilder.. Ruiz can take him out, but fortunately for him, Wilder will not underestimate him and come prepared. I wish Ruiz had fought Wilder..

VaughnSangrey:
You lot just watched a man run for 12 rounds from a scotch egg and that's the performance that gives you the notion that he can beat wilder?

KNIGHTBlaed:


Fury and AJ is unpredictable, because both can duck each other all day
But Wilder will be dealt with properly this time by Fury. Just get ready for it

A40:

We could argue about who ducked who all day. I struggle to believe that Ortiz could not nail a top 10 Heavyweight all his career. And remember beating Ortiz also boosts their CV

Christian Hammer is the only half decent guy he's faced bar Wilder. The rest are tomato cans


Good you pointed that out. Wilder in his 29th fight was fighting a 42 year old Fraudley Harrison. Regardless neither of them fought enough competent guys that could expose them

Ortiz had his chance. He ducked Wilder and so we would never know. When opportunity comes you don't tell opportunity you're not ready so Ortiz's excuse is ducking

Fury got hit in the 4th and came back. Ortiz controlled the fight up till the 7th round.

Mike Tyson was not a one punch guy either. You do realize combo hits are actually likelier to lead to a referee stoppage and harder to recover from.

Wilder can be touched and last fight showed that more than ever. Best believe AJ has a very strong chance against Wilder.

VaughnSangrey:

But Whyte admitted to ducking Ortiz for whatever BS reason. Heavyweights don't have to fight him to boost their CV because the division is thin, they just have to keep winning and eventually they will get that fight. Ortiz being avoided was one of the worst kept secrets in boxing. I remember people saying it will be wilders first real test, claiming he was going to be exposed. And then he beat him and Ortiz immediately became an old man.

VaughnSangrey:

Wilder went to the Olympics after less two years of training, even his olympic teammates were laughing at him and he ended up with a bronze medal, the only American to get on the podium for boxing at that Olympics if I remember correctly. Of course his handlers had to keep him busy, he fought multiple times a year to build experience since he turned pro after that. This is a guy that was originally supposed to be a basketball player and got into boxing to take care of his special needs daughter. Point is he needed the experience and had to work his way up so he fought as many bums as possible.

VaughnSangrey:

Fury went down twice, in the 9th and then in the 12th. Point is as good as he is he still went down.

Please don't compare flex mentallo to Tyson. Their styles are not similar at all. Tyson style was suited to the sort of power he carried. He was a swarmer who fought on the inside and got in your face and tried to soften you like a pressure cooker. Plus the way he bobbed and weaved, his movement, a well rounded fighter. So of course he landed flurries and was able to avoid getting hit while doing it. AJ tries fighting like that he dies.

A40:
AJ threw almost 50 more punches

Threw three times the jabs Ruiz threw but he ran. If he didn't run nko?

Anyway I hope they sort this out in 2020 once and for all. This would never have been possible in the good old days. We would have seen these guys fight and these forum debates would be unnecessary

VaughnSangrey:


Dude, even AJ will admit he ran in that fight. Even when Ruiz wanted him to meet him in the middle you can see your man didn't want any part of that. Like I said, kudos to him, he did what he had to and he has his belts back buy let's call a spade a spade. Mayweather would be proud, take that how you want.

A40:
That was not a close fight my gee. You want AJ to stand and trade with a desperate fighter like he foolishly did the last time.

He really boxed today and his inability to KO Andy was more of a testament to Ruiz's granite chin. If AJ boxed like this in the first fight he would not have lost his belts

He out jabbed Ruiz, out punched him by a country mile and that's that for that.

A40:

I didn't claim Whyte didn't duck Ortiz I'm saying it is not possible for every mid-tier boxer including those with nothing to lose to duck Ortiz. Beating Ortiz would have boosted their CVs and put them in the title conversation as well.

Of course Ortiz being Wilder's first test speaks to the tomato cans he fought. How can your 40th fight be your first real fight and we won't question who you have been fighting all along? Ortiz is 6 years older than Wilder, of course he's old.


I know Wilder's story. I'm a fan myself but you're propagating that he's some unstoppable force. He's not and fighting some of the dregs of the division for 85% of his career has no doubt helped him.



I'm not saying AJ is like Tyson in terms of overall boxing style please don't get it confused. I'm saying AJ like Tyson relies on multiple combinations and has one of the best uppercuts I've ever seen. AJ is not a swarmer or pressure fighter like Tyson but if he wobbled Wilder he has the combination and hand speed to drop a guy like Tyson used to

VaughnSangrey:


I didn't say it was close. If he can't stand in the middle with Ruiz who will he stand in the middle with?

Like I said, he boxed well and got his belt back. But the question here is how that fighting style will help him against the big 2?

A40:
Lool you're grossly underestimating Ruiz. No smart fighter would stand in the middle with you. Fury would never do that.

I wanted to see how AJ would respond to Ruiz's hooks and I was impressed. I'm convinced while his chin is still suspect he's no Frank Bruno and that gives him a chance

I don't know how he fares against Fury since Fury is more evasive than anyone AJ ever faced but you see for Wilder. I know he's never faced anyone with above average skills and elite KO power. I have zero fear for Wilder after that Ortiz fight, a younger boxer would have KO'd Wilder

A40:
Jesus Christtttt

A40:
Overeem was cursed by the MMA gods with a glass chin. Or in this case lips as he is going to need a new pair after Bigi Boy tore this one in half

He was literally 4 seconds away from winning that fight.

Not impressed in Jairzinho though. Ngannou would drop him Round 1

VaughnSangrey:

Delete.

VaughnSangrey:


In other news Tito just won the WWE championship from Alberto Del Rio. Jon Jones should be worried.

A40:
Lmaoooo why the hell is Tito still fighting? Is CTE a joke to these guys?

I heard Samuel Peter is still fighting. WTF

Even Overeem should strongly consider retirement.

SmooshCHN:

Dude, Rodney Hood had no treatment whatsoever. He didn't take any rest and played back to back games even after they noticed he was injured. KD stopped basketball activities for 6 weeks to recover from a calf strain before his Achilles injury. Players play after the standard recovery protocol except if you mean the should never play until God sends a fax.
By your standard, Lakers are the same devil for what has happened to Rondo with multiple hand and finger related injuries since he joined the Lakers right? Makes no sense.
It's just hypocritical that you're the one shitting on Kawhi and the Clippers for load management after his knee troubles.

DeeMain:


Calm down man. Give the champion some respect. Many of you didn't give him a chance today. Dude silenced his billion mouthful critics, who have begun shifting goalposts after this win.

I like the focus and anger on his face today. He will outbox Wilder for sure and with this kind of focus he may avoid the big right hand and Wilder might be history too.

The person I fear more is Fury on his good day.

VaughnSangrey:


Exactly my thoughts on overeem as well. Didn't even bother watching that one. I think its a little too late for Tito as far as CTE. The thing with these fighters is they have horrible financial planning and end up broke a year after they retire so they keep scrounging for paychecks. A few just miss the high and what not but most of them fight because they have to. Its really sad.

chic2pimp:
If Ben Simmons plays like this every night, look out the rest of the NBA. Dude looked like Mini Giannis out there tonight. He played extremely aggresive like someone lit a fire in His belly. Tbf to Him, His Defence has been stellar this season(DPOY Level) He just needs His offence to catch up to His defence. Once it does, He'll be a perenial MVP candidate.

A40:
It was a decent fight if you could get past the sight of Bigi Boy's butt crack. Not a classic by any stretch but it's incredibly rare to see two heavies go the full nine.

I was impressed with Overeem till that last 4 seconds happened. He fought smart and controlled proceedings. The juiced up Overeem would have won this fight easily

As for Tito I guess he would be fine if he keeps on fighting bums like Alberto Del Rio. He reminds me of Ken Shamrock who Dana White famously said he would pay not to fight.

Look at our guy Samuel Peter who got KOd in the first round last night. Just sad

VaughnSangrey:


Ben Simmons for Rookie of the year.

On a more serious note, he shows these flashes every once in a while and hes always been a great defender. But without any form of a jumper his scoring is too one dimensional for him to consistently score 20+ a night. Rondo is shooting about 50% from 3 this year on 3 attempts a game, i think theres hope for simmons, he just needs to put the work in. Glad to see he made another 3 pointer and a few Js as well.

chic2pimp:


It's just mental with Simmons. Once He Figures it out mentally, they'd be no stopping this man. He has all the tools and talent to be 30+ scorer on a nightly basis even without a Jumper. Just needs to be more aggresive.

He plays better without Embiid on the court it seems. If Philly don't get to the NBA Finals in the next 2-3 years, they really should consider trading one of them. Most likely Embiid as whereas Ben is Ironman,Joel it looks like won't have a Long NBA career.