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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:12pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Cornyn notes that agents practiced in preparation for their intelligence gathering during security briefing. They held mock briefings to help them get info on Trump campaign as they were presenting themselves as merely briefing campaign. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:13pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Hawley noting that the DOJ/FBI failures were weaponized via leaks to media, who fully coordinated with their sources to perpetuate the completely false Russia narrative. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:14pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz says far more reforms and changes are needed than what FBI Director Wray wrote about in his response letter to the IG report. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:14pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Hawley pointing out that the DNC and FBI colluded in this Russia hoax. DNC/Clinton campaign secretly bought and paid for the dossier that DOJ/FBI used, even after it knew that it was complete rubbish. 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:15pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Blumenthal tries to get Horowitz to say that FBI didn't interfere in 2016 election. Horowitz declines to agree 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:17pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz describes FBI/DOJ behavior outlined in his report as "pretty bad." 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:18pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Blumenthal: "[FISAs] are renewed because they are producing useful information, correct?" Horowitz: "Or they should be producing useful information." Blumenthal: "...they were producing useful information, correct?" Horowitz: "I'm not sure that's entirely correct." 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:20pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Tillis noting how Steele was supposedly fired as a source but that the FBI continued to receive his information and do so via a DOJ conduit repeatedly. A dozen more times after his firing. 5 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:22pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Tillis noting that Horowitz received many questions that had nothing to do with his actual report. He seems to be critiquing the Democrats here, since they seem to want to avoid talking about the demonstrated abuse of the FISA process in the anti-Trump probe. 5 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:23pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Sen. Hirono now up. She's trying to get Horowitz to say that the investigation was not started on the thinnest of suspicions, as critics have said. He declines to do so. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:23pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Hirono wants Horowitz to say he's upset at Barr for describing the use of electronic surveillance and confidential human informants as "spying." He declines to do so. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:25pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Kennedy says after reading 15% of report, it made him want to heave. After 25%, he felt like he was dropping acid. Couldn't believe how bad it was. Horowitz agrees! 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:26pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz reiterating that anyone who touched the surveillance of Trump campaign is not vindicated by his report, contrary to claims from media and other Democrats. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:31pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz saying that his bias claim was just about Priestap opening, not about all the other issues. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:31pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz tells Sen. Leahy he did not find evidence of political bias in starting Crossfire Hurricane. Horowitz notes it's reasonable for people to look at the 17 errors against Page as merely gross incompetence and not obvious bias. My opinion: I find it hard to believe FBI made 17 'Errors' and all the 'Errors' went one way--against Page/Trump. I've read of many many MANY dozens of "mistakes" by FBI/DOJ officials and every single one of them was in a direction harmful to Trump. What are the odds? 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 11:02pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Horowitz tells Sen. Kennedy he "agrees completely" that someone at FBI needs to be fired. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 11:38pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
Well that's it, the Fake news media refused to cover it but I did my best 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 12:39am On Dec 12, 2019 |
SEN. Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?" IG HOROWITZ: “That is correct. That is what occurred.” This is insane!!! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by PDPGuy: 3:03am On Dec 12, 2019 |
I repeat Trump would have had more sympathy in this impeachment brouhaha if he didn’t block the likes of Mulvaney, Giuliani, Meghan etc. If you are innocent, you lay your case with all transparency |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:30am On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka:You people know how to make a mountain out of a mole Hill. Granted that errors were made in the FISA warrant and the FISA process had always been problematic with accusations of abuse by critics, the report did not find any malicious intent on the part of the FBI towards the Trump campaign. That is the conclusion of the report no matter how to slice, dice or twist it. No crime was committed by FBI officials. It's is similar to the "Russia hoax" as you guys like to call it. Although it is proven that Russia interfered in the 2016 elections in favour of Trump, it could not be proved that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians. If you say FBI was working against trump, then what do you want Hillary Clinton to say. The FBI announcing reopening the email investigations a week to elections, after numerous investigations by the house and FBI itself had found no crime was committed. Till today Hillary blames the FBI for her loss. You cannot push numerous outlandish conspiracy theories, the problem is finding or manufacturing evidence to support them. 5 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 7:53am On Dec 12, 2019 |
I thought I was going crazy. When people argue for Trump. Argh doitforyou: 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 8:57am On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka: After watching the hearing, I think the IG made his case very well. he explained that the laws set a LOW THRESHOLD the FBI needs to meet before launching a counter intelligence probe and they met it and opened the probe lawfully but they now chose to conduct the investigation in a very wrong way. The FBI received a tip from the Australians the Trump campaign might be colluding with the Russians and they correctly opened a probe but they needed a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and they had nothing to present to the FISA court to get the warrant so they decided to use the Steele dossier which they knew was false information to deceive the FISA court and get the warrant 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 9:19am On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka:I have the video here, It’s is insane and the IG agreed that this idiot should be punished https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj5R8x_jSNI 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 10:28am On Dec 12, 2019 |
garetz:I disagree, the FBI were more interested in pinning a crime on the Trump campaign than investigating anything and there was clear bias against Trump. They were not incompetent, they were deliberate and knew exactly what they were doing. Just look at all of them today, they're always on CNN campaigning against Trump, they are all anti Trump. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:18am On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka: Garetz believes that the Crossfire Hurricane was started by the Friendly Foreign Govt official ie Mr. Downer. The IG can only interview those working at the Justice Dept He is limited in access to the CIA for instance. How did Mr Downer get to meet with George Papadopoulos? Enter Josef Misfud. Papadopoulos was working in London He told his colleagues that he was heading to the Trump campaign. They urged him to go to Italy where he met Mifsud. Mifsud told him that the Russians have dirt on Clinton. Mifsud was connected to Italian and UK intelligence. He was not a Russian asset as Mueller claimed. Mueller is lying. Going back to London Papadopoulos was invited for drinks by Mr Downer the Aussie ambassador to UK. Stephen Halper , a known FBI confidential human source was behind Papadopoulos going to Italy and also him meeting with Downer. Note you don't walk in to a pub and meet Ambassadors randomly.This was a setup. By Halper. Downer repeatedly asked Papadopoulos whether the Trump was working with Russians Papadopoulos noticed that Downer was recording the conversation. Papadopoulos replied that it would be treason to work with Russians. Till today the recording by Downer has not been released . I suspect Durham has got it. Back to Downer. While a minister in Aussieland he helped funnel the Clinton Foundation a 25m $ donation. He is a personal friend of the Clintons. Downer then waits two months to report to CIA London office Gina Haspel who then informs FBI that Papadopoulos told Downer while drunk that the Russians had dirt on Hillary and were planning to release it. Then Peter Stroyk the FBI Trump hating lover to Lisa Page opened the counter intelligence Crossfire Hurricane. Given that the IG could not question Halper Mifsud etc he could only conclude that the beginning of the spying operation on Trump was OK. He did not question those who setup Papadopoulos. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 11:30am On Dec 12, 2019 |
GalaticHorde: 1. Ivanka's association with Steele ended in 2015 and the FBI confirmed that as of 2016, he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being the U.S. president." 2. The IG did confirm that Steele was hired by a research firm that was working for and funded by the Clinton campaign 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 11:42am On Dec 12, 2019 |
basilico:God bless you basilico, you absolutely nailed it and that's why Durham disagreed with the IG's conclusion. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 12:09pm On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka: Durham has asked for documentation on the FBI about payments made to Halper. He also travelled to Italy and obtained Mifsud two cellphones with UK Sim cards. He also wants to question CIA staffers involved in these shenanigans. Top on the list is Brennan who is a CNN spin master. Regarding the ommisions , deliberate falsifications listed in the IG report , this is nothing but a pre-planned coup. The walls are closing in on the coup plotters. The impeach charade. It's said that aid money to Ukraine was stolen and some of it funnelled back to the likes of Schiff, Pelosi, Kerry etc. The urgency to impeach is apparent. Giuliani has evidence that he is supposed to drop within a few days possibly today or tomorrow. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by GalaticHorde: 5:13pm On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka:yes it should have been disclosed, the question is, bias in favour of whom? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by GalaticHorde: 5:14pm On Dec 12, 2019 |
obixcel:in your defense, nobody said you were intelligent, so we forgive you |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by GalaticHorde: 5:21pm On Dec 12, 2019 |
coluka:give me the reference from the report, page and paragraph |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 5:25pm On Dec 12, 2019 |
GalaticHorde:Steele's political bias against Trump which the FBI confirmed that as of 2016, he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being the U.S. president." 3 Likes 2 Shares |
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