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This thread must not die. It's interesting and Educating.

Everybody is related to almost everybody if you look far enough.

After all, humans are descended from one progenitor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity

NegroNtns:


but yoruba and bini are not linguistically distinct. the land belongs to edo but the crown is no doubt yoruba. the situation you have in bini between land/throne nativity is repeated in itsekiri and lagos as well.

i will accept the lagos kings have bini names but reject that they have edo names.

fulani emirs are not hausas but their ifficial language is hausa. they dont own the land but they own the throne.

bini is an outcrop of ife. edo has nothing to do with ife...different people and culture. that they speak edo in bini court does not in anyway make it a non-yoruba throne.

lagos is an outcrop of bini (not edo). lagos has nothing to do with edo. that the language of lagos kings is yoruba does not change the fact that the throne and crown belongs to bini.

net-net, ife, bini, lagos.....are all in the same fold and yoruba.

so if Omo n'Oba is the crown head of bini throne and a bloodline of Ife, then by extension all bloodlines dotted line to Omo n'Oba are also of Ife, regardless if they speak ibo, jukun, edo, or whatever else. contradicting that will be like saying since fulani emirs only speak hausa, then they are hausa bloodline and must not be traced back to futa, their ancestral home in old massina.

Benins says they originate the ife throne ...and all evidence supoort it ....please respect that fact ....
And stop basing history one sided
If you sont want to cause an uprise just keep it nuetral because you would still turn the post to a debate between the two tribe ife and benins
If you understans history benin conquered for economic intrest and they. Were highly travellers

Yoruba was never once the offical language of benin at anytime all benin names since history attest to this....

And on the otherhand
Ehinogba is a typical edo name and not Yoruba it means in Benin ehin( spirit)

I noticed so many benin related names in your post and had beem influence by yorubas spellings benin indeed left a trademark in the entire lagos history

gregyboy:



Benins says they originate the ife throne ...and all evidence supoort it ....please respect that fact ....
And stop basing history one sided
If you sont want to cause an uprise just keep it nuetral because you would still turn the post to a debate between the two tribe ife and benins
If you understans history benin conquered for economic intrest and they. Were highly travellers

It's pride that's making the present day Yorubas dispute this fact and some of them claiming to be Yoruba today where not even recognised as such few centuries back.

Benin only went to Ife which was an offshoot of the Benin Kingdom to request for his prince to come back home to fill the vacant royal stool of his forefathers, Benin could have made similar request for the Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri or Obi of Onitsha to mention a few to send their sons to Benin to fill the vacant royal stool of their forebears, but these royal dynasties where not yet created then.

Why would Benin that are known not to confer a chieftaincy title on anyone without connections to the kingdom request for a King from a foreign land?

What was the connection between Benin and Ife then that made Benin not only make the request for a prince but a section of the Benin royal army stood guard to ensure the safety of the prince who later became king and his heirs for about four generations until they where strong enough to subdue the oppositions. No army came from Ife to safeguard the royal family because it's not known in history that Ife had a conquering army compared to Benin that made similar interventions in far away lands to protect her interests.

It's the Benin that dated the era of Oduduwa to the 11th century through the records kept using it's art works, early European visits and other Palace methods at a time when most Yoruba cities where still sleeping, as soon as they begin to acquire little education, they came to Benin for research only to go back to twist the history to suit their egos.

As good as the write up is Yoruba vs Bini line of the story reduced its authenticity. Awori vs Bini would have be more appropriate as Bini itself is a subgroup of Yoruba same as Ijebu, Egba, Igbomina, Ihori, Ibarapa, Ekiti and the rest

gregyboy:
Yoruba was never once the offical language of benin at anytime all benin names since history attest to this....

And on the otherhand
Ehinogba is a typical edo name and not Yoruba it means in Benin ehin( spirit)

I noticed so many benin related names in your post and had beem influence by yorubas spellings benin indeed left a trademark in the entire lagos history

Most Benin words (language) are corrupted Ijebu words (language). Iga means palace, Iduganran the present name of the official palace of Lagos. Iganran means pepper in Ijebu. Iduganran means pepper farm/station/place.

Have ever ever read about the story of EMOTAN? Even the present Oba of Bini attested to Yoruba root of the Binis

Even Ado as a name has so many links in Yoruba locations, history and meaning than Bini.

Oba is Yoruba word. Olu is a Yoruba word. Same with Omo 'noba Okpolorkpolor just a corrupted Yoruba word. Omo Oba Lopo lopo.
Same thing with Ayangbunren

Housing:


Most Benin words (language) are corrupted Ijebu words (language). Iga means palace, Iduganran the present name of the official palace of Lagos. Iganran means pepper in Ijebu. Iduganran means pepper farm/station/place.

Have ever ever read about the story of EMOTAN? Even the present Oba of Bini attested to Yoruba root of the Binis

My friend don't create something from nothing , there is no evidence tracing Yoruba root to benin the infleunce benins had with the yorubas is almost 70% compare to other tribe on the otherhand the influence yorubas had on the benins is not even above 2% ....
Before oduduwas gave his son to benin benin had already gave ife oduduwa ,we can start reading the history from there and not from where oduduwa gave his son to benin......
All tribes that were under the control of benins had people who serves as representative and interpreter in the palace to translate for thier people....
So you only saying yorubas was spoken only in benin shows your aim of tribal superiority because yorubas were not only the different ethnic group in the Benin empire or palace...

I repeat no Yoruba's can understand benins and no benins can understand yorubas...

gregyboy:



My friend don't create something from nothing , there is no evidence tracing Yoruba root to benin the infleunce benins had with the yorubas is almost 70% compare to other tribe on the otherhand the influence yorubas had on the benins is not even above 2% ....
Before oduduwas gave his son to benin benin had already gave ife oduduwa ,we can start reading the history from there and not from where oduduwa gave his son to benin......
All tribes that were under the control of benins had people who serves as representative and interpreter in the palace to translate for thier people....
So you only saying yorubas was spoken only in benin shows your aim of tribal superiority because yorubas were not only the different ethnic group in the Benin empire or palace...

I repeat no Yoruba's can understand benins and no benins can understand yorubas...

Don't mind these guys, how can Benin be a subgroup of Yoruba that was created less than a century ago? Rather it was some of the tribes that now refer to themselves as Yoruba that were subgroup of the old Benin empire.

The Benin empire encompasses people from various tribes, Ijaw, Ikas, Yoruba etc and there were administrators from these various tribes who served at the pleasure of the Oba of Benin.

In recent past, there has been a member of the empire who returned from Akure, Ondo state to serve as the Iyase (prime minister) of Benin, his name was Iyase Okoro-Otu, there is a road named after him close to government house in the GRA Benin City, the son of the king of Brass, an Ijaw community also served in the same capacity, the present governor's grandfather who was formerly from Delta state, also served in various capacities and the present Iyase also has his root in Delta state.

The Benin empire encompasses almost all the tribes in southern, middle belt Nigeria and beyond.

samuk:


Don't mind these guys, how can Benin be a subgroup of Yoruba that was created less than a century ago? Rather it was some of the tribes that now refer to themselves as Yoruba that were subgroup of the old Benin empire.

The Benin empire encompasses people from various tribes, Ijaw, Ikas, Yoruba etc and there were administrators from these various tribes who served at the pleasure of the Oba of Benin.

In recent past, there has been a member of the empire who returned from Akure, Ondo state to serve as the Iyase (prime minister) of Benin, his name was Iyase Okoro-Otu, there is a road named after him close to government house in the GRA Benin City, the son of the king of Brass, an Ijaw community also served in the same capacity, the present governor's grandfather who was formerly from Delta state, also served in various capacities and the present Iyase also has his root in Delta state.

The Benin empire encompasses almost all the tribes in southern, middle belt Nigeria and beyond.

They have not read benin history ,but they will be quick to start the history of Benin from were oduduwa gave Benin's his son
I still dont understand why oduduwa is so special to the Yoruba's he was not a conqueror, nor was he the progenitor of the Yoruba race ,
I think is popularity amongst the Yoruba people was the fact that he gave his son to benin,that's is what had made oduduwa history popular amongst the other oonisin ife, just simply because oduduwa had an attachment to the benin throne so they saw it as a means to elevate his history and some even called him the progeniture of the yoruba race ,
The fact remains that if oduduwa had no influence with a strong empire like the benins the Yoruba's wouldn't even boast of him or we wouldn't even hear that he ruled as an ooni ,oduduwa historical popularity amongst the yorubas can be tied to the fact that he had an influence i.e sending is son to benin
Just the way the benins popularity can be linked to the clash it had with the british in 1897
Remove the influence oduduwa had on benins you will never hear of oduduwa history from the yoruba people's mouth
And remove oduduwa from benin people history you will have lot of history in benin to talk about,

samuk:


Don't mind these guys, how can Benin be a subgroup of Yoruba that was created less than a century ago? Rather it was some of the tribes that now refer to themselves as Yoruba that were subgroup of the old Benin empire.

The Benin empire encompasses people from various tribes, Ijaw, Ikas, Yoruba etc and there were administrators from these various tribes who served at the pleasure of the Oba of Benin.

In recent past, there has been a member of the empire who returned from Akure, Ondo state to serve as the Iyase (prime minister) of Benin, his name was Iyase Okoro-Otu, there is a road named after him close to government house in the GRA Benin City, the son of the king of Brass, an Ijaw community also served in the same capacity, the present governor's grandfather who was formerly from Delta state, also served in various capacities and the present Iyase also has his root in Delta state.

The Benin empire encompasses almost all the tribes in southern, middle belt Nigeria and beyond.

Yoruba created less than a century ago? You do know Yoruba tribe is the oldest group of people in the world? There was a Harvard study on this. This is why almost all non hausa/Fulani tribes have something in common with Yoruba. Hausa and Fulani tribes are not as old as other tribes in Nigeria. They migrated from North Africa.

Yoruba is the mother of everybody. We are a very ancient people. This is evident in how we structure our society. It’s obvious we have been around for a long time. Seen a lot, learnt from it and put it in culture.

Nice try.

I lost interest, when you could not define Ashipa at the beginning. A little further down the line, you define Ashipa as a Benin warrior that Oba Benin sent to Lagos to consolidate. People keep on making this mistake that Ashipa was Ashikpa or whatever from Benin. Ashipa is a popular name and title in most Yoruba land.

Have you ever heard of Ashipa, the first king of Lagos?

Lagos existed well before Benin ever ventured in. They came as visitors and were welcomed and given a place of abode. As they increased, they waged war against the Awori, the Idejo Chiefs. The war ended in a standstill until the Benin Leader was killed. It was Ashipa, from Lagos and Idejo General that carried him home to Benin. The gesture impressed Oba Benin and blessed Ashipa king as a compromise acceptable to all.

The reason the Benin were accepted in the first place, was the lingual franca spoken by Oba relatives in their palace. Any Edo that does not speak that language or bear Yoruba name is not from the Royal family. Some of them have rejected Yoruba name today. Fine but history is history. They came to Lagos as Yoruba until they tried to take over. Up till today, the place given to Oba Benin chiefs has never expanded beyond the present Oba Palace. They cannot point to anywhere else that belong to them.

Please note that all Oba Benin descendants ie sons in Lagos died off when their daughter that had Benin mother and Yoruba father could not have a son to become Oba. The daughter later married Alagba from Ilesha that gave birth to sons that are ruling till today.

When the present Oba said that Oba Benin was his father, he spoke like a son that did not know his father or history. Somebody could have told him Alagba came from Ilesa.

Cannot worry about each names and details. As for the other Yoruba settling around Lagos, you are right but failed on Ashipa from the beginning.

gregyboy:


They have not read benin history ,but they will be quick to start the history of Benin from were oduduwa gave Benin's his son
I still dont understand why oduduwa is so special to the Yoruba's he was not a conqueror, nor was he the progenitor of the Yoruba race ,
I think is popularity amongst the Yoruba people was the fact that he gave his son to benin,that's is what had made oduduwa history popular amongst the other oonisin ife, just simply because oduduwa had an attachment to the benin throne so they saw it as a means to elevate his history and some even called him the progeniture of the yoruba race ,
The fact remains that if oduduwa had no influence with a strong empire like the benins the Yoruba's wouldn't even boast of him or we wouldn't even hear that he ruled as an ooni ,oduduwa historical popularity amongst the yorubas can be tied to the fact that he had an influence i.e sending is son to benin
Just the way the benins popularity can be linked to the clash it had with the british in 1897
Remove the influence oduduwa had on benins you will never hear of oduduwa history from the yoruba people's mouth
And remove oduduwa from benin people history you will have lot of history in benin to talk about,

You hardly find any tribe or community in Nigeria that has an exciting history to tell without the Benin connection. Connections with the old Benin empire is what spices up and bring to relevance most history of the various tribes in southern and even middle belt Nigeria. The Yoruba hardly tells their history without the mention of Benin.

How many of the various states and communities that make up latter day Yorubas have an illustrious past to talk about, what these little know communities do is to attached themselves to the history of Lagos and Ife because of the Benin connections and the pride and prestige that it brings. I challenge them to tell us an exciting history of the indigenous people of Oshogbo, Ijebu, Ilesha, Ijesha, Ekiti, Egba, Owo, etc, without the mention of Benin or some other imaginary foreign land.

baby124:

Yoruba created less than a century ago? You do know Yoruba tribe is the oldest group of people in the world? There was a Harvard study on this. This is why almost all non hausa/Fulani tribes have something in common with Yoruba. Hausa and Fulani tribes are not as old as other tribes in Nigeria. They migrated from North Africa.

Yoruba is the mother of everybody. We are a very ancient people. This is evident in how we structure our society. It’s obvious we have been around for a long time. Seen a lot, learnt from it and put it in culture.

So you didn't know that not everyone that considers themselves as Yoruba today were actually referred to as Yoruba in the past?

Most tribes that call themselves Yoruba today were actually different tribes that where either independent or vassal states of the Old Benin empire and Oyo.

It was the likes of Awolowo that brought all these different tribes together to form a strong political block, the old mid west / Benin Kingdom was even included in the political block before they decided to walk out of the union.

Present day Yoruba is a political creation for political reasons which will fall apart if Nigerians ever divides and goes their separate ways.

Yoruba named a part of Igodomigodo with her conquered name called,Binu(Bena) . So, stop this unverified claim about Igodomigodo whose history is of Nok. Bini learned a lot from Yoruba's lexicon. Infact, her language has a lot of inputs from the Yoruba language, which is the teacher's language while Bini learned and borrowed Yoruba lexicons. Unfortunately, the Yoruba words were wrongly corrupted through Igodomigodo's accent.

samuk:


You hardly find any tribe or community in Nigeria that has an exciting history to tell without the Benin connection. Connections with the old Benin empire is what spices up and bring to relevance most history of the various tribes in southern and even middle belt Nigeria. The Yoruba hardly tells their history without the mention of Benin.

How many of the various states and communities that make up latter day Yorubas have an illustrious past to talk about, what these little know communities do is to attached themselves to the history of Lagos and Ife because of the Benin connections and the pride and prestige that it brings. I challenge them to tell us an exciting history of the indigenous people of Oshogbo, Ijebu, Ilesha, Ijesha, Ekiti, Egba, Owo, etc, without the mention of Benin or some other imaginary foreign land.

Its hilarious but its true

samuk:


So you didn't know that not everyone that considers themselves as Yoruba today were actually referred to as Yoruba in the past?

Most tribes that call themselves Yoruba today were actually different tribes that where either independent or vassal states of the Old Benin empire and Oyo.

It was the likes of Awolowo that brought all these different tribes together to form a strong political block, the old mid west / Benin Kingdom was even included in the political block before they decided to walk out of the union.

Present day Yoruba is a political creation for political reasons which will fall apart if Nigerians ever divides and goes their separate ways.

Present day Yoruba is the Yoruba of old. It’s not separate tribes they just went by their subgroup name. Awolowo did not bring them together. They were brought under one kingdom by the Oyo empire. Prior to that, they had their different rulers and founding families.

The Midwest arrangement was an effort by the British to put together related groups in one region, for political cohesion. Based on language and history. The crown and royal family of Benin are related to the Alaafin and by extension a lot of midwestern groups were related to either Benin or other Yoruba subgroups.

Stop telling us oduduwa sent his son to Benin, start d story from the start... Oduduwa was actually a Benin Prince in d first place,so pple will understand

Seun Osewa can this topic get to the front page now. It is over 11 years.