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Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 8:33am On Dec 17, 2019 |
The Biblical Jesus Told his Disciples to Take a Donkey and Colt Without the Owner's Permission Matthew 21:1-3 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, 2saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away." I don't think that Jesus' orders were ethical at this point. You must ask the owner for permission to borrow something from him or at least buy it or rent it from him. Some will argue that Jesus needed the donkey to fulfill a prophecy. But why would God want Jesus to commit a sin in order to fulfill a prophecy? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 9:11am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Lol! You needed an incomplete account of the story to justify your lies. Here's the complete version: Luke 19:30-35 (KJV) 30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. 31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. 32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. 33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? 34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him. 35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. So your lies got blown up right in your face. 1. Jesus didn't tell them to take them without the owners consent. 2. The owners consented to their taking it! 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 9:17am On Dec 17, 2019 |
jesusjnr: No! firstly they never sought permission to enter someone's compound! Secondly, he told them to untie the colt without permission! What is this? Two count charge! lawyers would find more! Invasion of privacy, Theft,... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 9:19am On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: According to that book called Bible and the other book called Qur'an, Jesus is a MIRACULOUS prophet of Allah! So if Jesus asked his friend to go untie a donkey and even tell them how to respond if anyone should question them, it means the owner must have been a friend of Jesus from who Jesus have asked of using the donkey before then! If my own father (who is not a prophet) asked me to go and bring a car packed in front of someone's house and also tell me "this is what you're to say in reply to whoever question you regarding the car" My friend, i'll confidently go straight and bring the car even ask for the car key from its owner! That's just my father who is neither a prophet or priest not to talk of a prophet of Allah whom the Bible and Qur'an both confirmed that God empowered him to perform great signs! Do you think Allah is not capable of providing his prophet with hundreds of donkeys if the need be? So what's new if Allah's prophet asked his friend for a donkey? ![]() Please my friend, stop exhibiting this immature attitude, you're indirectly insulting the intelligence of renown intellectual scholars in Islam! ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 9:21am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Maximus69: Where is the verse that they were friends? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 9:28am On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Luke 19:30-34 The owner challenged them and they told him "the Lord needs it" Do i need someone to tell me that the owner is a stranger to the one called "Lord" yet he allowed them to take it away? ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 9:33am On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian:That's a perspective from your ignorance of the truth. The owners knew Jesus, but they didn't know the disciples. So their reaction proved that what Jesus did was not without their consent, and must have been an arrangement between them. Only someone like you who have no knowledge of such arrangement can misinterpret it to be a theft. So don't involve the owners in your exibition of your ignorance, for they are not with you on this. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 9:42am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Maximus69: This doesn't prove they know him. |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 9:44am On Dec 17, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Where is it stated that they knew Jesus? Where did they know him? Even if they know him. He should have seek permission before untieing the colt. It is what it is. |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 11:29am On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: My baby Muslim friend, i never said "THEY KNOW the owner" Because if they(Jesus' followers) knew the owner, Jesus need not add saying "if the owner question you" Why will he question his fellow believers in the name of Allah for untying a donkey? Are you insinuating that Muslims (believers) don't trust themselves? For him to have done this, it means the owner is not a stranger to Jesus (who is called Lord) it's his followers that do not know all their fellow believers in the prophet of Allah! Luke 9:49-50 Hmmmmmmmmm please stop insulting Islam, there are intellectuals in my former religion (Islam) who will effectively answer all these your immature questions? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 3:20pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Maximus69: No! I am talking about courtesy here. Can your friend enter your compound and drive away your car in this way? The person chatting with you is not Islam. So much of your intelligence with name calling! |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 3:36pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: It depends on how important your friend is to you Sir! ![]() I'm telling you now that if Aliko Dangote should enter the compound of Femi Otedola now and pick a Toyota Camry saying "I need it", Femi will gladly ask his friend "but that's two small for your caliber, my friend please why not take the Land Cruiser instead" Be rest assured that it's Otedola that will be begging Dangote to pick the best. Why? Because of the level of their friendship! You even as you're trying to deny Islam now, what will you have done if Muhammad walk up to your car and enter with the intention of going out with it? You need not respond Sir because that's what every Muslim will gladly welcome from the prophet of Allah. So what happened in the Bible was no difference! ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 3:54pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Maximus69: Sorry I don't buy that! Dangote would have send a message ahead. The security would be aware someone was coming. No sane person would barge into someone's compound and take possession of one's property before asking for permission! Nothing concerns me with your Islam talk. I regard that as your diversion tactics! |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 4:28pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Well that is how you're taught in your own religion Sir! But as true Christians, we were taught to SHARE even if our brother in faith comes down from an helicopter and walk towards our Murano, a Christian will say "you can have it for as long as you wish my brother" That's how we will joyously live together with hearts full of kindness freely in Paradise because we came with nothing and we can't take away a single pin! God bless you! ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 4:30pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Maximus69: Which Bible verse says that Jesus knew the person? Which Bible verse says that the owner was a Christian? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 5:12pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: "The Lord needs it" Luke 19:34 The owner was a Christian that's why he could accept that Jesus is Lord, you're quoting his words today without seeing him, think of how privileged this man will feel whose donkey Jesus ride into Jerusalem and been hailed as Hosanna to the King! ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 5:22pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Using 21st century standards and laws to judge events that happened in the 1st century. Quite a nice way to fit in square pegs in round holes. 5 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 8:10am On Dec 18, 2019 |
OkCornel: Sorry Oga! How do I judge it then. If someone comes in to my compound and takes my donkey expecting me to ask him questions before he seeks permission....! |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 8:13am On Dec 18, 2019 |
Maximus69: No where in the Bible was Christian or Christianity mentioned by Jesus or his disciples. Only in your dreams! Your're deluded for Christ! You can even lie for Christ! |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 8:56am On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian: The Mosaic Law, which was the law meant for the Jews. |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 9:19am On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian:The owner was satisfied with their explanation so what are you dragging? I just pity those that waste their time with your likes in this forum. It is clear you just want an argument 4 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 11:17am On Dec 18, 2019 |
niaralandtopuser: The owner may be OK with it but that does not make what he did OK. Can you follow that example today? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 11:22am On Dec 18, 2019 |
OkCornel: So how is this judged in the Mosaic Laws? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 11:36am On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian: There’s no offence committed here as far as I can tell. No theft. Unless you want to go into the details of the Mosaic law relating to treating the property of others to confirm. |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 11:38am On Dec 18, 2019 |
OkCornel: So you mean you can do like this too? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 11:43am On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian: If I was a Jew living in the first century bound by the Mosaic law, yeah. If I might ask, how did Jesus break any of the Mosaic law in terms of treating other people’s property by that particular action? |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by Nobody: 12:00pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian:you won't get an argument from me |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 12:10pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
niaralandtopuser: OK |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 12:11pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
OkCornel: You ask permission before you take other's possession otherwise that is theft or covetousness! |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 12:32pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian: And Jesus didn’t ask for permission? ![]() ![]() Even the Pharisees and Sadducees that had beef with Jesus didn’t raise any dust over this...but you do after several centuries later. Abeg wetin Jesus do you? ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by AntiChristian: 12:41pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
OkCornel: Jesus didn't ask for permission and though the owner did not complain really, we can't follow this example as it is against common sense, rude and prideful. Go and meet the owner of the house, tell him I need the colt..... |
Re: Jesus Told His Disciples To Take A Donkey And Colt Without The Owner's Consent by OkCornel(m): 12:55pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Soothe yourself. Nothing do you, at this rate we should be expecting a thread from you blaming Jesus for World war 2 ![]() |
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