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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by coded01: 6:57pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
fredoooooo: Football na about money na... Not football |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by LegoxMetahuman: 7:32pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Roland17:you mean the 0-3 is a photoshop? it was arsenal that actually beat city 3-0 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by fredoooooo: 9:02pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
coded01: Money and power is very se koko |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:57am On Dec 17, 2019 |
With Arteta now on the horizon, how would you rate Freddie Ljungberg? For me it's a 2/10 He was part of the set up since the season began yet was unable to master the squad. His inability to stamp his methods is also a minus. He failed everywhere Emery did. Any positives? Taking some strong decisions like benching Luiz and Lacazette, starting Chambers and Martinelli, taking Ozil off at 58mins etc. Showed that he can be bold. Overall, I won't put much blame on him. Not knowing how long you will spend relieving someone can make work unpredictable and unfulfilling. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 1:19pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
We Don suffer
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 1:40pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
BlueRayDick:Funny enough, defence is the easiest part of a team to work on. Any proper manager should be able to do that. That is why small teams usually have mean defences when they face attacking teams and really want to defend and big teams (Man City) have defending issues. The problem is combining defence with attacking intent. For a side like Arsenal, defending alone is meaningless, what is important is combining that with a ready attack. Can Sam do that? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 1:45pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
BlueRayDick:I saw this yesterday but wasn't sure if it's true or not. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 2:52pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
I have been waiting for this announcement since morning. So because of the usual dullness of our board in making simple decisions... I have decided to help them out... WELCOME BOSS 2 Likes
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 3:37pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Arteta’s hiring is a very very risky gamble if you ask me.. One thing I have gathered post Wenger is that seasoned and successful managers don’t fancy the Arsenal job, they are not jostling to get the job and now I am left asking myself if Arteta was the only option? I understand we spoke with Martinez, approached Nuno before ultimately decided to go with Arteta. I said this after his first game, Freddy did not seem ready for the position and I think that made the board even more desperate to hire a new manager. If Freddy held the forth with good results we probably would have been more detailed and patient in our search for a manager who can clean up this mess. I desperately want a firm manager who can make difficult and bold decisions about our players and style of play..I blame the board for not preparing for post Wenger. They were busy hassling for shares and ownership that everyone forgot to prepare for post Wenger until the results became unbearable and fans stayed away from the stadium. What style of play and leadership should we expect from Arteta? Would he thrive without Mompha’s kind of money his preceptor has enjoyed throughout his career? From what we saw in his playing days when he was captain and few situations in the dugout, he is quite withdrawn and not the vocal type but the impression from those close to him is that is intelligent and good at reading games. That being said, I am not a believer that loud and vocal translates into strong leadership but this squad of ours need total reorientation and it may take some tough conversations with the players. I remember I supported Emery ahead of Arteta and only needed 7 months into his first season to realize we made a terrible mistake. I feel safer under Arteta in comparison to Ebening but I don’t know if Arteta will take us where we need to be. Like in Freddy’s case, I will not entertain any excuses from Arteta about not having a preseason, a transfer window, budget or time and then use this period to experiment with losses or bad performances. We are approaching half of the season and are only 7 points away from 4th. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:46pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Roland17:well said, I will be supporting arteta to give him benefit of doubt. I hope he can transform the team back to normal without breaking the bank and also involves the youngsters |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by gustav25: 4:06pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Arsenal fans are in deep pains ..Banter team |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 4:20pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
Roland17:He deserves a window at least. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 7:32pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
@Roland17 He is inexperienced, completely at that. But he was favorite even ahead of Evening last summer and he is favorite now too. Obviously there is something special about him that makes the Arsenal hierarchy to keep going for him despite that inexperienced tag. That special thing was what made City to snap him immediately Pep came on board and at a time he was just completing his badges. Sorry for hyping him (I always have this biase for my peeps), but I think I will be more disappointed if we miss him and he goes on to do a Pep Guardiola. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 6:53am On Dec 18, 2019 |
Spy360: This is a very big gamble the board is taking. I hope he doesn't turn out to be a certain Coach Thierry Henry. I mean coach Henry was so good sitting beside Martinez doing things until he collect his first job as head coach ó. I no just buy all dis "he's favorite 3 years ago and still favorite today " yarns o. Anyways let's see what he will do this January transfer window if he gets the job. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:23am On Dec 18, 2019 |
Arteta is a very big gamble to be honest. The way I'm looking at our team, it is like the team of Liverpool before klopp. And we know klopp needed transfer windows get Liverpool rolling back. To be sincere, I think a new gaffer, whether Arteta or another person coming in will need his own players, most of this players aren't just it. The players of sokratis, luiz kola, ozil mustafi xhaka and one of laca or auba needs to be cleared out. I feel these guys are big enough not to carry out effectively coaching instructions like pressing and keeping shape. We need like a change of most guys in the squad before we see remarkable change in the team. Seeing our game against Brighton really dampened my spirit about this team, cos even if a coach comes with the right tactics, I don't feel like we've the personnel to carry them out, and that will be another confusion for the coach who might start permutations again. My advice is, leave ljumberg till the end of season, then bring in Arteta or any credible candidate they seem fit, back him to clear out the deadwoods we have and bring in tricky wingers and strong midfielders, let him use preseason to assess his squad and know his first eleven. Even tho I feel top4 mathematically is still possible, I don't think it's realistic again with mourinho at Tottenham then Chelsea and man still jostling for that sole spot. Most of our players are not fighters, and need to be cleared, the earlier we realize this, the better for us. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 12:42pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
BlueRayDick:Arteta is regarded as a key figure responsible for City's success and especially the rise of the likes of Sterling, Bernado, and Sane. He is their coach and he has the reputation of being one of the best in the epl. I know that some guys are excellent when they are assistants but falter when the pressure of responsibility is laid on them, eg Henry. But like as I stated, I will be more disappointed if we miss him and he turns out to be a guru. I'd rather he failed. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 12:46pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Jodera:All these talks about our players not good enough is itching me. Are we worse than Wolves, or Leicester or even Chelsea? It's bad results due to poor decisions that has brought us here. Poor management and coaching. Forget, a decent manager can achieve much with this same team. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 12:50pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Spy360:I concur |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:08pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Spy360:I'm not saying they're not good enough. What I'm saying is that they've been ingrained with so much of "soft football" that to change them will be hard. If you look at my list, most of them are "oldies", I didn't touch any young players. They need to be properly drilled, and I believe, most of those guys won't last. Yeah, they're good, but the grit, and discipline is lacking which we really need now |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 2:18pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Spy360: I absolutely agree with you and that is why I have been preaching that this is not a Europa League squad if managed properly and the more reason why I don’t want anyone experimenting with losses with this team. It is not a perfect squad but a good coach can get something out of this season with this squad, again, nobody should makes any excuse for Arteta because I will not buy it. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 2:58pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Roland17: Exactly! We need a coach that will hit the grounds and start getting results. We have 21 games till the end of season. A good coach that can at least guarantee not losing to any of the traditional top 6 teams and get results against smaller opposition will do us good. This Arteta deal can be likened to a young graduate who made a first class, obtained his MBA almost immediately now taking his first job as the head of strategy/business transformation at a company not doing well; with the job of turning around the fortune of the company. He must be really really good to pull it off o. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 3:40pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
BlueRayDick: My brother!!! E just be like say people want us to use the rest of this season to do experiment. We are talking about 21 more games in the EPL, the FA cup, and Europa League to experiment with? If we were in the 2nd half of the season and out of these competitions, I would tolerate experimentation with losses. Remember when I told you Freddy should have declined the position if he was not ready? Well, it was obvious the position was too much for him and he did not want to ruin his future coaching opportunities so he raised the white flag. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by chrisooblog: 3:52pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
yes Arteta is a gamble but I think he is a calculated risk. unfortunately because of the desperation that forced Arsenal to hire will now have everyone expecting mikel to perform miracles when like you rightly said the players are mostly inadequate. i think now is the right time. based on that we are in a crisis situation this IMO is the best time to get somebody in. he has a free hit of the rest of the season to test his coaching methods and also observe how many of the supposed deadwood he can motivate to play for him. for me this season in terms of trophies is over. but in terms of performances let's see what Arteta can do. All this gutless, spineless error strewn displays have to stop. hopefully by season end he will have a clear picture of who he needs to add/subtract from this group of players. to be very honest I don't know if Arteta will succeed. saying because he helped pep mould the City side is too simplistic. one only hope for the best. Jodera: |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by chrisooblog: 4:07pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
bruv apart from the fact that the tools he has to work with are not the best we have to give him reasonable time i.e rest of the season to impose his philosophy in the team. Even First class graduates need patience, guidance and mentorship before we can succeed. Attack wise yes we match up favourably with some of the top 6 teams but defensively we are a shambles. how many of our defenders would play for any top team in europe David loliuz? Sokratis? Chambers? Al-mustapha, Scolartisca. it will take a couple of great transfer windows plus consistent good coaching to get us out of the rot we are in now. BlueRayDick: |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 7:14pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
I have always used Ajax as an example of proper club management. They have no super stars, no overly experienced player, lose their best players every single year, yet they rub shoulders with the best in Europe. Hoping that Arsenal should replace all the players is a day's man's dream. It won't happen. But one thing we can hope for is to build on the youth we have together with a couple of experience. This is why I was personally excited about Mikel Arteta. He already has the reputation of developing young players, the likes of Sterling, Sane, Bernado, and De Bruyne greatly improved through his coaching. At a time during the City game, I noticed him arguing with Pep about player positioning. My mentor always says to me- whenever a student starts arguing with his teacher, then you know he has learnt the subject. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Cruxifizio: 7:55pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Spy360: Spy spy |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:50pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
Cruxifizio:Sir... |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ChristineC: 2:29pm On Dec 19, 2019 |
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:01am On Dec 20, 2019 |
*PLEASE READ TO THE END* The gulf in class between us and City on Sunday was actually so mind blowing to see live. I was sat in the first row of the North Bank upper, so basically I was looking down on the pitch from behind the goal. A proper ‘Football Manager’ view on proceedings. And watching the 90 minutes from that position really made it abundantly clear how good City are on and off the ball. Then in comparison how bad we are in and out of possession too. The way we currently play is still so saturated in Emery’s ideas. We pretty much refuse to use the centre of the pitch. So automatically we’re allowing the opposition to basically dominate the game from the moment it kicks off. We only seem content with trying to retain the ball in wide areas. Especially when we are in our own half or when we are in the middle third of the pitch. Those areas are fundamentally where a team generates possession to obtain pitch positions to launch attacks on the opposition. That unwillingness to get the ball in the centre of the park is firstly; hugely preventing us from actually being able to dictate the game, which in turn naturally rolls out the red carpet for the opposition to totally dominate us and secondly; it near on prevents us from being able to construct goal scoring opportunities for Aubameyang or anyone else. That’s why we hardly ever see him on the ball. Which further highlights his quality as a player, because can you imagine how many goals he would score for us if we actually got him the ball more frequently in goal scoring areas? It’s a miracle the guy manages to score for us at all –anyway. Thirdly it completely crowds out the space for Pepe to use. So no wonder the guy has been having a complete shocker. Constantly he is being expected to beat about 3 or 4 players before he can break out into any sort of space where he’d actually then be able do something creative. And when he does finally manage to do that occasionally, he pulls out his old party trick, cuts back inside on his left foot, but there is quite literally nobody there for him to pass to. So whoever we get in as manager needs to massively address this inferiority complex Emery has basically instilled into the players. We will not be able to win football matches unless we start getting comfortable using the centre of the pitch again. Whether that’s Arteta I don’t know. But in my opinion that’s a huge part of whats wrong with us at the moment at a high level, before you start getting into the more granular stuff of playing players in weaker positions etc.. And just to provide a bit of context here (and not blowing my own trumpet) I am in the process of applying for my UEFA B coaching licence. So if I was asked to help coach the side now, that would be the first big change I would look to make. If the Arsenal coaches Freddie has to work with are worth anything, given time, they should be able to work that out too considering they have two more qualifications then me. Just a thought. Culled from an arseblog user... IamaGoober |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by MrDojo(m): 10:06am On Dec 20, 2019 |
Roland17: Bro, if we were talking about another club, I would have supported you. But not with this Arsenal team. Let Pep and Klopp be announced today, they won't do anything with this squad. Our players are overpaid, average, and lack desire to achieve anything on th pitch. Some of them are even uncoachable. After Emery's sack, that was the perfect time for these players to have a clean slate. However, they continued playing like a tram worthy of relegation. Let's not even begin to talk about the mentality of most of our players, I have never seen such a mentally fragile team in all my life. And they never take responsibility for anything. No coach, I repeat, no coach will suddenly change the mentality of these players midseason. It's highly unlikely. This week alone, several news outlets have reported our players just don't care. Yes, those reports maybe wrong, but from what we have seen on the pitch, I personally don't think they're wrong. If you haven't noticed yet, most teams raise their games when they play Arsenal, because they can easily smell blood. I don't see the miracle that will happen that will suddenly make us win Europa league, especially when some good teams dropped out from the UCL. Let's not even talk too much, do you see Arsenal beating Wolves or United over two legs? And these two aren't even the toughest opposition in the tournament. Even though over 20 matches remain, this season is gone. It's time to be realistic. We need to take a step back and plan for the future. It's time for us to stop the rot in the club. Yes, I'm very much pro-Arteta, and I believe (Hope) he'll succeed with us. Yes, his appointment is a massive gamble, but I'd take him instead of a finished Carlo or another manager on the decline. Hopefully, his tenure as our head coach will bring back the old Arsenal. However, if he fails, we move on in our search. Edit: Grammer.... |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:06am On Dec 20, 2019 |
MrDojo:kdb said they watched videos of arsenal before the match that once opponents get the ball away from our attackers,the midfielders doesn't do anything to help the poor defenders. I complained about this during our game at anfield people here say LFC are hard to beat I'm hating guendouzi. Well moving forward, auba is leading some senior players out of Emirates I pray and hope it's true we need to take our time to rebuild |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by MrDojo(m): 11:26am On Dec 20, 2019 |
iamoyindamola: To be honest, gone are the days I have any emotional attachment to the players. They can all f@_k off. In fact, I don't want most of them to be here when we sign new players. Because, their rotten mentality will corrupt the new lads and possibly the young players. That's why I'm scared for Gabby. I don't want the 'I don't care attitude' of this team to rub off on him. Again, selling the players is one thing, but we must ensure we get the right players to replace them. We don't have to look for superstar signings... There are a lot of good players out there waiting to take the next step. And, I hope Arteta will ensure we have a balanced squad. I know it's not a popular opinion here, but I've always said we should sell either Laca or Auba (it's likely both will leave soon though). |
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