We know black Africans have an ancient history of mummification of the dead, as seen in the histories of Egypt and Nubia amongst other great black civilizations of antiquity.

My question is, is there any record of this practice in the abodes to which they later migrated, such as West and Central/East Africa?

Thanks.

Not Nigerians. We however buried the dead with its treasures and its servants if a king, in preparation for the afterlife. This is a tradition evident in ancient Egypt. The mummification is an accidental discovery from East and Northern Africa due to arid conditions.

I suspect the practice of mummification died out in Egypt and Nubia several centuries before the migrations of blacks southwards, and so there would be no replicating of that tradition in their new abodes.

But there is an interesting counter from South Africa, where an ancient mummy was found:

''The first mummy to be discovered in South Africa was found in the Baviaanskloof Wilderness Area by Dr. Johan Binneman in 1999. Nicknamed Moses, the mummy was estimated to be around 2,000 years old. After being linked to the indigenous Khoi culture of the region, the National Council of Khoi Chiefs of South Africa began to make legal demands that the mummy be returned shortly after the body was moved to the Albany Museum in Grahamstown.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy#South_Africa

Rosskiki:
I suspect the practice of mummification died out in Egypt and Nubia several centuries before the migrations of blacks southwards, and so there would be no replicating of that tradition in their new abodes.

But there is an interesting counter from South Africa, where an ancient mummy was found:

''The first mummy to be discovered in South Africa was found in the Baviaanskloof Wilderness Area by Dr. Johan Binneman in 1999. Nicknamed Moses, the mummy was estimated to be around 2,000 years old. After being linked to the indigenous Khoi culture of the region, the National Council of Khoi Chiefs of South Africa began to make legal demands that the mummy be returned shortly after the body was moved to the Albany Museum in Grahamstown.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy#South_Africa

No. Egypt was Africa. The first recorded mummy was an African child,black. The Egyptians who started mummification were Africans and the whole burial process is African. There is a documentary on the first recorded mummy on YouTube. We in Nigeria don’t do mummification because we were far removed from that era and our climate does not permit the process.

The process of mummification started dying out with the rule of the Greeks in Egypt. They didn’t have as knowledgeable a priestly cult as the African pharaohs did. So, eventually the tradition died all together. The mummification process is unique to Egypt, because it was created around Egypt by the first blacks there. Other mummies like the one is South Africa is probably as a result of a natural and arid environment.

baby124:

No. Egypt was Africa.

The sky is blue, so? Who is arguing whether Egypt ''was Africa'' or not?

The first recorded mummy was an African child, black. The Egyptians who started mummification were Africans and the whole burial process is African. There is a documentary on the first recorded mummy on YouTube. We in Nigeria don’t do mummification because we were far removed from that era and our climate does not permit the process.

The process of mummification started dying out with the rule of the Greeks in Egypt. They didn’t have as knowledgeable a priestly cult as the African pharaohs did. So, eventually the tradition died all together. The mummification process is unique to Egypt, because it was created around Egypt by the first blacks there. Other mummies like the one is South Africa is probably as a result of a natural and arid environment.

Nah...The South African mummy was made deliberately by humans. It wasn't a natural occurrence.

https://mummipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Khoi_Mummy

Why is this an issue for you? The Egyptians were ''colonists sent out by the Ethiopians'' according to Diodorus of Sicily, the 3rd century BC Greek historian, who travelled in Africa, amongst ''the blameless Ethiopians'', an ancient Greek term for Africans south of the Sahara..

It's no surprise the Egyptian practices like mummification were rooted in African civilization.

Rossikk:


The sky is blue, so? Who is arguing whether Egypt ''was Africa'' or not?



Nah...The South African mummy was made deliberately by humans. It wasn't a natural occurrence.

https://mummipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Khoi_Mummy

Why is this an issue for you? The Egyptians were ''colonists sent out by the Ethiopians'' according to Diodorus of Sicily, the 3rd century BC Greek historian, who travelled in Africa.

It's no surprise their practices were rooted in African civilization.

The first mummy ever found on record was a black African child in the area where Egypt is now. Far older than all the Egyptian mummies which is over 3,000 yrs old. Not this your 2,000 yr old mummy from South Africa. The original Egyptians were Africans. Not the Arabs there right now. Capisce?

baby124:

The first mummy ever found on record was a black African child in the area where Egypt is now. Far older than all the Egyptian mummies which is over 3,000 yrs old. Not this your 2,000 yr old mummy from South Africa. The original Egyptians were Africans. Not the Arabs there right now. Capisce?

Dude, I'm not sure how old you are, but you need to stop talking like you just discovered the holy grail. We know who the original Egyptians were etc etc. Plus the question is not ''which region has the oldest discovered mummy?'' It was ''did our ancestors ever practice mummification south of the Sahara?''

The South African discovery says, ''Yes, they did''.

Which one be mumu abimummy again.

Rossikk:


Dude, I'm not sure how old you are, but you need to stop talking like you just discovered the holy grail. We know who the original Egyptians were etc etc. Plus the question is not ''which region has the oldest discovered mummy?'' It was ''did our ancestors ever practice mummification south of the Sahara?''

The South African discovery says, ''Yes, they did''.

They didn’t migrate to West or Central Africa. They migrated from West to Central/East and then North. Post a link to news of the mummy discovered in South Africa.

baby124:


They didn’t migrate to West or Central Africa. They migrated from West to Central/East and then North. Post a link to news of the mummy discovered in South Africa.

If people migrated from West Africa to Egypt, my questions are:

1. Wbyu does some of these priceless Egyptians hieroglyphs not found in West African ethnic writings?

2. Why has it been difficult to see any human fossil, being among the oldest from West Africa?

3. Why do many ethniy groups in West Africa claiming migration through oral account ?

Olu317:
If people migrated from West Africa to Egypt, my questions are:

1. Wbyu does some of these priceless Egyptians hieroglyphs not found in West African ethnic writings?

2. Why has it been difficult to see any human fossil, being among the oldest from West Africa?

3. Why do many ethniy groups in West Africa claiming migration through oral account ?

1. Like they developed the mummification process isolated from Africa, so did they develop heiroglyphs. West Africans also have their writings too by the way. Not sophisticated as Heiroglyphs but the basic idea is not much different.

2. West Africans did not develop a mummification process. Most especially because of our climate. It’s not dry and also does not have the natural chemicals used in the mummification process in abundance like Egyptians. Though the funeral rights process bares the same logic with a heavy emphasis on the afterlife and reincarnation.

3. Because they moved around a lot. As hunter gatherers, they moved with the climate not giving themselves enough time to develop a lot of things. Only sedentary groups of people were able to leave some physical history behind and, they are not many. When you look at the number of ethnic groups in Africa.

baby124:


3. Because they moved around a lot. As hunter gatherers, they moved with the climate not giving themselves enough time to develop a lot of things. Only sedentary groups of people were able to leave some physical history behind and, they are not many. When you look at the number of ethnic groups in Africa.

They were not ''hunter gatherers''. They were migrating groups from early black North African civilizations fleeing from Arab/Greek/Roman invasions of the north, and of the Levant, and fleeing desertification of the once fertile Sahara.

baby124:


They didn’t migrate to West or Central Africa. They migrated from West to Central/East and then North. Post a link to news of the mummy discovered in South Africa.

''They migrated from West to Central/East and then North.'' That was BEFORE the final migrations southwards caused by foreign invasions/Islamisation attempts by invading Arabs etc. You say Egypt was black. They must have gone somewhere, no?

Read The Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Wiliams. You'll learn how the process occurred.

Rossikk:


They were not ''hunter gatherers''. They were migrating groups from early black North African civilizations fleeing from Arab/Greek/Roman invasions of the north, and of the Levant, and fleeing desertification of the once fertile Sahara.

Do you understand his question? Black Africans did not come from Egypt. They migrated there. Sure there may have been some reverse migration. But most integrated with their new colonialists. That’s why even Arab looking people of Egypt descent have some black sub Saharan DNA. The journey of migration was done by hunter gatherers fleeing food scarcity, war, disease and unsuitable terrain.

baby124:


1. Like they developed the mummification process isolated from Africa, so did they develop heiroglyphs. West Africans also have their writings too by the way. Not sophisticated as Heiroglyphs but the basic idea is not much different.

2. West Africans did not develop a mummification process. Most especially because of our climate. It’s not dry and also does not have the natural chemicals used in the mummification process in abundance like Egyptians. Though the funeral rights process bares the same logic with a heavy emphasis on the afterlife and reincarnation.

3. Because they moved around a lot. As hunter gatherers, they moved with the climate not giving themselves enough time to develop a lot of things. Only sedentary groups of people were able to leave some physical history behind and, they are not many. When you look at the number of ethnic groups in Africa.

who tell you we don't mummify Yoruba do embalm to avoid decomposing during the traditional burial rite we just don't put much emphasis on it because of our believe system we let mother earth take her dues ,We have the knowledge and capability to mummification..i have heard a story of an ancient concealed earthen pot dug up from the forest when the pot was unveiled or open up "freshly looking body of an infant perfectly preserved as if stilling living was curled up in the pot with fluid imitating woman womb with baby,, it was air tight with fresh green leaves and other things not known the pot was in form of conical shape

Obalufon:



who tell you we don't mummify Yoruba do embalm to avoid decomposing during the traditional burial rite we just don't put much emphasis on it because of our believe system we let mother earth take her dues ,We have the knowledge and capability to mummification..i have heard a story of an ancient concealed earthen pot dug up from the forest when the pot was unveiled or open up "freshly looking body of an infant perfectly preserved as if stilling living was curled up in the pot with fluid imitating woman womb with baby,, it was air tight with fresh green leaves and other things not know the pot was in form of conical shape

Mummification is different from embalming. If the feotus was preserved and organs kept fresh through centuries then that may be an accidental or isolated case because we do not see such a practice repeated across the ethnic group.

baby124:

Mummification is different from embalming. If the feotus was preserved and organs kept fresh through centuries then that may be an accidental or isolated case because we do not see such a practice repeated across the ethnic group.

I want to believe, mummification is to preserve or embalm the corpse of a dead person from decay.

Olu317:
I want to believe, mummification is to preserve or embalm the corpse of a dead person from decay.

Absolutely right, mummification is embalming.. mummification is type of embalming in desert region wrapping of the body with cotton soaked in honey and other resins not known to preserve the body also extraction of the of rapid decaying human organs to preserve the body

Obalufon:
Absolutely right, mummification is embalming.. mummification is type of embalming in desert region wrapping of the body with cotton soaked in honey and other resins not known to preserve the body also extraction of the of rapid decaying human organs to preserve the body

Good brother, sometimes, we underestimated certain scientific processes that Yoruba ancestors made look it cultic form of doing things when in fact these things were scientific breakthrough.

Indeed,we Yorubas practised mummification in the ancient times as we did had the knowledge of reading and writing in pictograms. Yoruba ancestors preserved a lot of artefacts that we in modern era sometimes attribute these preservation to mysticism.


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