shadeyinka:

If you've read the creation story of the oldest civilization in the world (the Sumerians) you will see similarities between their story and Genesis up to the flood of Noah.

Genesis story is not a historical or scientific book, it was a chronicle to explain the why and how of God's dealings with humans!

But you didn't comment of the logic behind God cursing "toddlers" (Adam and Eve) for crimes they didn't have the capacity to comprehend!?

can you see now you talking about the summerian text right? which is more.older than the bible right? then tell how are you sure that the writer of that genesis did not copy from thatsumerian.text.

jcross19:
Am Christian with the help of God some bible stories don't make any single sense that's why in book of Hebrew 11 talks how we should base on observation on faith.. "Faith" when that word is involves mean something is wrong but just accept it like that without evidence .

No you are wrong about Hebrews. The faith in Hebrews is not blind faith, on the contrary it is a faith of action. This is why the author goes on to list examples of heroes of faith.
All of those examples, were of people who changed their world and or families by doing the unusual because they hoped for something greater thereby creating it themselves.

jcross19:
can you see now you talking about the summerian text right which is more.older than the bible right then tell how are you sure that the writer of that genesis did not copy from tjaty.simmerian.text.

No sir!
It meant that the creation story wasn't the exclusive knowledge of just the tribe of Israel. It wasn't just the history of the Jews but of the whole world.

Interestingly, there was no way to link the history of the Jews with the Sumerians!

Or better still, can you link Moses to the Sumerians literature and how come the story seem completely different from Egyptian mythology?

And for your information: several cultures have the story of Noah's flood in various renditions. It wasn't just an Israelite story..it is universal.

You still didn't comment on the logic of God punishing "toddlers" for being stupid!

shadeyinka:

No sir!
It meant that the creation story wasn't the exclusive knowledge of just the tribe of Israel. It wasn't just the history of the Jews but of the whole world.

Interestingly, there was no way to link the history of the Jews with the Sumerians!

Or better still, can you link Moses to the Sumerians literature and how come the story seem completely different from Egyptian mythology?

And for your information: several cultures have the story of Noah's flood in various renditions. It wasn't just an Israelite story..it is universal.

You still didn't comment on the logic of God punishing "toddlers" for being stupid!

you are amuzing me simple which one is older than each other ? One would have copied from each other. So tell me.

stupidity:
After praying every morning, I read my bible to gain more knowledge. So I have few questions and I want people that are deep into bible study to help me out.

In the book of Genesis,

Genesis chapter 1 vs 26

“then God said let’s make man in “our” own image, according to “our” likeness”

Q. Who was God referring to as “our” when He alone was and is the only God??

Q 2. If God created man in His own image, does it mean man was once like God or should I say man was God on earth?


1 vs 27 to 29, the creation of man was narrated here.

2 vs 15 to 25, the creation of Adam and Eve was narrated here.

Q. Is the creation of Adam and Eve same as the creation of man in genesis chapter 1 vs 27 to 29?

Reason why I’m asking the question is, the first creation of man narrated in Genesis 1vs27-29 seems not to go into much details until Adam and Eve’s creation.


Genesis 2vs8

Why did God plant the tree of evil in the garden that was supposed to be heaven on earth? When He knew man has a weakness and where was God when the serpent made Eve eat from the tree of evil? Also why did God put the serpent in the Garden of Eden when He knew the serpent was evil and bound to corrupt God’s creation?


Genesis chapter 3vs11, Adam was quick to shift blame to Eve. Typical of mankind. (Still happens till date)

Again in genesis chapter 3vs22, God said “behold, the man has become one of “us” to know good and evil.

God made use of the word “us” again.

In the beginning/creation, no other being, Angel, God was made mention of but only Him. Then who are the “us” He talked about?

Genesis chapter 3vs19, God cursed Adam “in the sweat of your face, you shall eat bread till you return to the ground for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return”

Q. If Adam and Eve had not eaten of the evil tree, does this mean mankind will not know death but live forever on earth? If yes, what happens to the world ever increasing population??


Q 2. What would have become of mankind if Adam and Eve had not eaten from the evil tree?

Reason for this last question is, if Adam and Eve was so easy to manipulate and made to eat from the evil tree by a mere serpent right inside the Garden of Eden, this means God’s creation(man) was ALREADY vulnerable(FLAW) even before eating the forbidden fruit.

PLEASE your contributions are very welcomed!! I’m learning. Pardon my moniker.

God "us" means the trinity! God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And for the other questions, if you've ever heard this "God resist the proud and elevate the humble" then you should understand humanity. I believe the creation of man is a grand project God initiated to bring down the devil to his witty end..So whatever happened is part of the workplan. At the end of it all, "it is finished". So no long story. if you've ever been opportuned to listened to The FATHER in the Great Assembly, you will understand that He's a GRAND STRATEGIST!

Daejoyoung:

No you are wrong about Hebrews. The faith in Hebrews is not blind faith, on the contrary it is a faith of action. This is why the author goes on to list examples of heroes of faith.
All of those examples, were of people who changed their world and or families by doing the unusual because they hoped for something greater thereby creating it themselves.

see this one again which one is blind faith?Hebrew 11:3.

jcross19:
you are amuzing me simple which one is older than each other ? One would have copied from each other. So tell me.

The second world war was fought by several countries like Germany, Italy, Russia, USA, Britain, Poland, France, Japan, China etc. Nigerian deligates even fought at Burma

Now, if I wrote about the Battle of Burma (in 2019) according to the account of my grandfather (who fought at Burma in 1947), who did I copy (USA, Britain, Japan, Russia or China)?

I have asked you, link Moses to the Sumerians! It is easy to do: just search history, language and culture.

shadeyinka:

The second world war was fought by several countries like Germany, Italy, Russia, USA, Britain, Poland, France, Japan, China etc. Nigerian deligates even fought at Burma

Now, if I wrote about the Battle of Burma (in 2019) according to the account of my grandfather (who fought at Burma in 1947), who did I copy (USA, Britain, Japan, Russia or China)?

I have asked you, link Moses to the Sumerians! It is easy to do: just search history, language and culture.

Moses most likely did not write all of the first five books of the bible, some of it are records from the time of Moses but some were written much later probably at a time when the children of lsrael were beginning to be exposed to other cultures. Also Abraham lived in Ur of the chaldeans, these people knew so much and were probably also influenced by the Sumerian civilisation which had fallen at the time. The myths from Sumeria, Egypt, etc were all common myths of the ancient world, so there may be some truth in all these stories, but their retelling by word of mouth through several generations may have changed the stories slightly.

shadeyinka:

The second world war was fought by several countries like Germany, Italy, Russia, USA, Britain, Poland, France, Japan, China etc. Nigerian deligates even fought at Burma

Now, if I wrote about the Battle of Burma (in 2019) according to the account of my grandfather (who fought at Burma in 1947), who did I copy (USA, Britain, Japan, Russia or China)?

I have asked you, link Moses to the Sumerians! It is easy to do: just search history, language and culture.

but the war was fought at the same period right? but this is just an history that had over 2000years interval between two histories. now tell me who copied each other?

Daejoyoung:

Moses most likely did not write all of the first five books of the bible, some of it are records from the time of Moses but some were written much later probably at a time when the children of lsrael were beginning to be exposed to other cultures. Also Abraham lived in Ur of the chaldeans, these people knew so much and were probably also influenced by the Sumerian civilisation which had fallen at the time. The myths from Sumeria, Egypt, etc were all common myths of the ancient world, so there may be some truth in all these stories, but their retelling by word of mouth through several generations may have changed the stories slightly.

in conclusion , that's some part of Genesis was plagiarised right

BlueAngel444:


My Jesus came to me himself

Here is Why Jews Reject J-s As Messiah: Here are Clear Undisputed Prophecies About Messiah, Who he will be and What he will do

* The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon, not Jeconiah, through his human biological father. Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Jeremiah 22:30, 36:30, Psalm 89:35-37. Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son Numbers 1:1-18.

J-s didn't have this genealogy, he didn't have a birth father from the Tribe of Judah, in the line from King David and Solomon, not Jeconiah. He had a virgin birth according to Matthew and Luke. And even if he didn't have virgin birth neither genealogy in Matthew 1 or Luke 3 can produce a King to be the Messiah. In Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required and in Matthew 1 the genealogy is rejected because it goes though Jeconiah.

II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6, Jeremiah 22:30,36:30.

* When Messiah is reigning as King the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24. This didn't happen, the Jews were dispersed widely after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes the Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and sin sacrifices will be fully instituted Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26-27, 45:17-46:16; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21. The Temple was destroyed after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes there will be Worldwide Reign of Peace and complete end to war Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18. There are still wars upon wars.

* When Messiah is reigning as King all of the Jewish people will observe Torah Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27. Everyone is not obeying Torah the world is filled with rebellion to the Most High.

* When Messiah comes all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true Elohim Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9.

* J-s didn't fulfill any prophecies about Messiah. He didn't have a human biological father in the royal kingly line, the Jews have not ingathered from their exile, the third Temple has not been rebuilt, there is not world wide peace, there is still war, all the Jewish people are not observing Torah and not all people are serving the Most High.

jcross19:
but the war was fought at the same period right? but this is just an history that had over 2000years interval between two histories. now tell me who copied each other?

If the same event happened to two separate people and one of them documented it immediately. The other did not document the event until ten years after. Your conclusion seems to be that it is obvious that the second chap MUST have COPIED the story from the first guy!?

Your logic is flawed!

Daejoyoung:

Moses most likely did not write all of the first five books of the bible, some of it are records from the time of Moses but some were written much later probably at a time when the children of lsrael were beginning to be exposed to other cultures. Also Abraham lived in Ur of the chaldeans, these people knew so much and were probably also influenced by the Sumerian civilisation which had fallen at the time. The myths from Sumeria, Egypt, etc were all common myths of the ancient world, so there may be some truth in all these stories, but their retelling by word of mouth through several generations may have changed the stories slightly.

I agree with you to a large extent.
It is true that the Sumerian culture was the earliest civilization with ability to write history. However, several cultures have distorted versions of the history of the origin of the world.

The Sumerians were the first to document this history while other cultures still continued with Oral transmission of such histories.

This is not to mean these other civilizations copied their history from the Sumerians.

Otherwise, how come Moses did not copy the most interesting stories of the Anunakis and the planets from where they came from.

sonmvayina:


Here is Why Jews Reject J-s As Messiah: Here are Clear Undisputed Prophecies About Messiah, Who he will be and What he will do

* The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon, not Jeconiah, through his human biological father. Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Jeremiah 22:30, 36:30, Psalm 89:35-37. Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son Numbers 1:1-18.

J-s didn't have this genealogy, he didn't have a birth father from the Tribe of Judah, in the line from King David and Solomon, not Jeconiah. He had a virgin birth according to Matthew and Luke. And even if he didn't have virgin birth neither genealogy in Matthew 1 or Luke 3 can produce a King to be the Messiah. In Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required and in Matthew 1 the genealogy is rejected because it goes though Jeconiah.

II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6, Jeremiah 22:30,36:30.

* When Messiah is reigning as King the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24. This didn't happen, the Jews were dispersed widely after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes the Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and sin sacrifices will be fully instituted Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26-27, 45:17-46:16; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21. The Temple was destroyed after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes there will be Worldwide Reign of Peace and complete end to war Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18. There are still wars upon wars.

* When Messiah is reigning as King all of the Jewish people will observe Torah Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27. Everyone is not obeying Torah the world is filled with rebellion to the Most High.

* When Messiah comes all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true Elohim Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9.

* J-s didn't fulfill any prophecies about Messiah. He didn't have a human biological father in the royal kingly line, the Jews have not ingathered from their exile, the third Temple has not been rebuilt, there is not world wide peace, there is still war, all the Jewish people are not observing Torah and not all people are serving the Most High.

Are you a Jew? Who told you why they rejected Jesus?
Did all the Jews reject Jesus?

You made quite a hand full of mistakes in your post, like for starters

The blood flowing through Jesus from Mary, whose father was Heli is from Nathan, David's son... Oh wait, you didn't know that did you. (ofcourse there's a secret here to understand this found in torah, but you probably know that since you know soo much about Jews and quote a lot of scriptures)

Oh, a little hint a man's property or inheritance doesn't always go to his "biological" son

Ever tried asking why Luke and Matthew wrote and the purpose for what they wrote

Just another question so if some "Jesus" comes and does all these things you listed, you would what, vote for him? Good luck with that (that guy -antichrist- will sure show up n fool folks)

Have you ever heard of Jesus is coming back. Ya sure you have.

Anyway you have shown two things
1. You personal lack or have little understanding of scripture
2. You made arrogant conclusions which reveals ignorance

I dare even add a third, what's your true aim?

shadeyinka:

No sir!
It meant that the creation story wasn't the exclusive knowledge of just the tribe of Israel. It wasn't just the history of the Jews but of the whole world.

Interestingly, there was no way to link the history of the Jews with the Sumerians!

Or better still, can you link Moses to the Sumerians literature and how come the story seem completely different from Egyptian mythology?

And for your information: several cultures have the story of Noah's flood in various renditions. It wasn't just an Israelite story..it is universal.

You still didn't comment on the logic of God punishing "toddlers" for being stupid!

The fact that you keep repeating that God punished toddlers, means you absolutely believe it.

Amazing

shadeyinka:
I agree with you.
Adam and Eve lost their God given glory and they saw themselves as naked without it!

MuttleyLaff:
shadeyinka, if you agree that Adam and Eve were not spiritually naked, and as a result of that, were like angels, are you able to explain why out of every other part of their human anatomy, it was their niggling tiny bits, as if some incriminating evidence, is what they chose to conceal, hide and/or cover up, hmm? What is going on in there with all that, erhn?
cc Finallydead

shadeyinka:
The Bible never said they covered up their private part. They covered their nakednẹss.
Gen 3:7:
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

[img]https://s5/images/loincloth.jpg[/img]
shadeyinka, only those who do not wish to see, can be deceived. Denying the truth doesn't change the facts of the Hebrew word used in the original Genesis 3:7 text, lol. We should not be upset that the truth is hidden from us, when its we shadeyinka, who so often hide the truth from ourselves, lol.

So, shadeyinka, with all due respects, contrary to what you believe and/or contrary to what you have been made to believe, the Bible, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, did say that A&E (i.e. Adam and Eve) covered up their nakednẹss, as in meaning, they covered up their private parts.

It might interest you shadeyinka, to know that, A&E got hold of fig leaves sewn together, and used them to create and/or make a girdle, and this means, they made something of the fig leaves to be wear round their waist area, lol. Without further wasting time, let me get to the point ojaare shadeyinka, lol, the fig leaves shadeyinka, were used to make a loincloth. Loincloth, as in meaning, look at the pasted picture above, to see an example of an interesting picture of a male version loincloth and see for yourself what it is covering up and what it isnt covering up, lol.

We do 110% know for sure, that A&E only covered the bare essentials part of the human body, you call it "private parts" right, lol and not cover their whole or entire human body. How do we know this? We know this shadeyinka, because the bible at Genesis 3:7, specifically tells, what part of the human body the fig leaves were used by A&E to cover up with, lol.

shadeyinka, fyi, it is the less careful of our Bible translators who translate "chagorot" or "chagowr," (i.e. correspondingly that is "coverings" in English), as ordinary "apron(s)." The Hebrew word used in the original Genesis 3:7 text, is "chagorot" or "chagowr" and it literally means girdle (i.e. to wrap about the loins) Of course, aside any an attempt to make something that is not the case appear true, you shadeyinka know what a girdle is, you know what it looks like and/or what shape it is, lol.

Watch this shadeyinka, lol, have you never wondered why A&E didnt cover up their hands and mouths, erhn? Afterall they disobeyed God's express command not to take off the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE) by taking with the hand and eating with the mouth.

shadeyinka, if a prohibited fruit and/or food, lol, is prematurely taken and/or eaten, lol, and as a result of that, the transgression of a precept has been committed, what, then, when its a prohibited fruit and/or food that was taken with the hand and mouth, is the meaning for Adam and Eve to turn and look towards covering the region of their hips and/or areas of their sexual organs, thereby hiding and/or concealing their sexual members, as in meaning, covering up the kpekus and blokos or abuna, their tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, naughty bits, erhn? lol.

jcross19:
okay sir! what's the meaning of garments of skin.

Garments of skin means exactly what it says on tin sire. Garments of skin, means A&E's very own mortal skin sir, lol. Any other garments, like for example, clothing, came after the mortal skin garment, and was as soon as when they realized they needed extra and/or more protection from the harsh elements of a post garden of Eden serene, calm, peaceful beautiful and stress free environment lol

jcross19, 1 Corinthians 15:44b as you know, states that "there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." Put it this way, there is glorified body, called glorious body. Imagine something similar and/or like that out of Matthew 17:2, Exodus 34:29, 30 and 35 lol.

So jcross19, the skin garments, is our natural body, this our flesh, the unglorious body, is the proof of our fall from grace, fallen nature, lol and by the way, I am 1000% sure you must have heard it said: "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What decays cannot inherit what doesn't decay". You remember how A&E were barred from the garden of Eden. As a matter of fact, no one as flesh and blood can enter the kingdom of God. jcross19, do you really want to tell me, that Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior ascended into heaven as flesh and bones, hmm, lol? Ah, c'mon now jcross19, wake up! Wakey, wakey, lol.

jcross19, before I begin to pause here, while you bite, chew and gnaw at all this, lol, are you aware of what the Quran says in Surah Al-A'raf chapter 7 verse 27 at all, as in meaning, about how A&E wore flesh from being rendered naked, lol? Yeah you're surprised I read the Quran right, lol. Dont be, I am a glutton for knowledge, so I gobble up everything in sight. I eat the straw, but spit out the sticks, lol. Yeah jcross19, you snd shadeyinka, should find time, to go look up Quran's Surah Al-A'raf 7:27, lol.

shadeyinka will interestingly find Surah Al-A'raf 7:27 to be an eye opener, lol, his eyes will open just like A&E eyes opened too, lol. I am sorry, I couldnt resist the pun and play on words there, lol
cc: Finallydead, kkins25

MuttleyLaff:
Garments of skin means exactly what it says on tin sire. Garments of skin, means A&E's very own mortal skin sir, lol. Any other garments, like for example, clothing, came after the mortal skin garment, and was as soon as when they realized they needed extra and/or more protection from the harsh elements of a post garden of Eden serene, calm, peaceful beautiful and stress free environment lol

jcross19, 1 Corinthians 15:44b as you know, states that "there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." Put it this way, there is glorified body, called glorious body. Imagine something similar and/or like that out of Matthew 17:2, Exodus 34:29, 30 and 35 lol.

So jcross19, the skin garments, is our natural body, this our flesh, the unglorious body, is the proof of our fall from grace, fallen nature, lol and by the way, I am 1000% sure you must have heard it said: "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What decays cannot inherit what doesn't decay". You remember how A&E were barred from the garden of Eden. As a matter of fact, no one as flesh and blood can enter the kingdom of God. jcross19, do you really want to tell me, that Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior ascended into heaven as flesh and bones, hmm, lol? Ah, c'mon now jcross19, wake up! Wakey, wakey, lol.

jcross19, before I begin to pause here, while you bite, chew and gnaw at all this, lol, are you aware of what the Quran says in Surah Al-A'raf chapter 7 verse 27 at all, as in meaning, about how A&E wore flesh from being rendered naked, lol? Yeah you're surprised I read the Quran right, lol. Dont be, I am a glutton for knowledge, so I gobble up everything in sight. I eat the straw, but spit out the sticks, lol. Yeah jcross19, find time to go look up Quran's Surah Al-A'raf 7:27, lol.

shadeyinka will find Surah Al-A'raf 7:27 to be an eye opener, lol, his eyes will open just like A&E eyes opened too, lol. I am sorry, I couldnt resist the pun and play on words there, lol
cc: Finallydead, kkins25

sometime too much of self knowing make someone sound stupid . glorious body is a body given to every believer after passing through and winning the race. now are you telling me that Adam and Eve were spirits in the garden? its clear they were mortals, flesh, bone and water . "garments of skin" is just normal animal skin that those ancient used for clothing. just like the way God new out stones to become tablet for ten commandments. its written clearly that they were mortals like me and you in which when God cursed Adam He said from dust I made thee , dust shall you return. don't twist twist the word of God.

jcross19:
sometime too much of self knowing make someone sound stupid .

This is strong meat that cracks teeth like yours. I should know better not to cast pearls at ..., lol. Your problem is you're a victim of crab mentality, at the very least, lol

jcross19:
glorious body is a body given to every believer after passing through and winning the race. now are you telling me that Adam and Eve were spirits in the garden? its clear they were mortals, flesh, bone and water

A&E were spirits tabernacled in a human body, they lost their glorious light emanating covering terrestrial body for the current telestial one we now have put on jcross19

jcross19:
"garments of skin" is just normal animal skin that those ancient used for clothing.

Oya, show now, where the bible said, in a clear and outright manner, it was animal skin, erhn?

jcross19:
just like the way God new out stones to become tablet for ten commandments. its written clearly that they were mortals like me and you in which when God cursed Adam He said from dust I made thee , dust shall you return. don't twist twist the word of God.

Without access to the ToL, of course A&E are mortals just like you and I, lol, and from dust we are made and so dust we all return to, lol.

BlueAngel444:


The fact that you keep repeating that God punished toddlers, means you absolutely believe it.

Amazing

That was the belief of Jcross19 and I wanted him to see the illogicality in his premise that Adam and Eve were created as dummies

MuttleyLaff:




[img]https://s5/images/loincloth.jpg[/img]
shadeyinka, only those who do not wish to see, can be deceived. Denying the truth doesn't change the facts of the Hebrew word used in the original Genesis 3:7 text, lol. We should not be upset that the truth is hidden from us, when its we shadeyinka, who so often hide the truth from ourselves, lol.

So, shadeyinka, with all due respects, contrary to what you believe and/or contrary to what you have been made to believe, the Bible, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, did say that A&E (i.e. Adam and Eve) covered up their nakednẹss, as in meaning, they covered up their private parts.

It might interest you shadeyinka, to know that, A&E got hold of fig leaves sewn together, and used them to create and/or make a girdle, and this means, they made something of the fig leaves to be wear round their waist area, lol. Without further wasting time, let me get to the point ojaare shadeyinka, lol, the fig leaves shadeyinka, were used to make a loincloth. Loincloth, as in meaning, look at the pasted picture above, to see an example of an interesting picture of a male version loincloth and see for yourself what it is covering up and what it isnt covering up, lol.

We do 110% know for sure, that A&E only covered the bare essentials part of the human body, you call it "private parts" right, lol and not cover their whole or entire human body. How do we know this? We know this shadeyinka, because the bible at Genesis 3:7, specifically tells, what part of the human body the fig leaves were used by A&E to cover up with, lol.

shadeyinka, fyi, it is the less careful of our Bible translators who translate "chagorot" or "chagowr," (i.e. correspondingly that is "coverings" in English), as ordinary "apron(s)." The Hebrew word used in the original Genesis 3:7 text, is "chagorot" or "chagowr" and it literally means girdle (i.e. to wrap about the loins) Of course, aside any an attempt to make something that is not the case appear true, you shadeyinka know what a girdle is, you know what it looks like and/or what shape it is, lol.

Watch this shadeyinka, lol, have you never wondered why A&E didnt cover up their hands and mouths, erhn? Afterall they disobeyed God's express command not to take off the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE) by taking with the hand and eating with the mouth.

shadeyinka, if a prohibited fruit and/or food, lol, is prematurely taken and/or eaten, lol, and as a result of that, the transgression of a precept has been committed, what, then, when its a prohibited fruit and/or food that was taken with the hand and mouth, is the meaning for Adam and Eve to turn and look towards covering the region of their hips and/or areas of their sexual organs, thereby hiding and/or concealing their sexual members, as in meaning, covering up the kpekus and blokos or abuna, their tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, naughty bits, erhn? lol.

The Bible says Adam and Eve covered their unclothedness (which of necessity include their private parts). No one is even sure if Eve's breasts were covered (as it isn't a private part to some cultures).

I add no speculation to it: they covered their unclothedness!

MuttleyLaff:
This is strong meat that cracks teeth like yours. I should know better not to cast pearls at ..., lol. Your problem is you're a victim of crab mentality, at the very least, lol

A&E were spirits tabernacled in a human body, they lost their glorious light emanating covering terrestrial body for the current telestial one we now have put on jcross19

Oya, show now, where the bible said, in a clear and outright manner, it was animal skin, erhn?

Without access to the ToL, of course A&E are mortals just like you and I, lol, and from dust we are made and so dust we all return to, lol.

I just laugh you! all those things you posted here was copied from one site , now tell me what's difference between. you andglori those plagiarized that summerian text? . you think all those things you saw on that site make sense? every mortal man is a spirit clothed with skin. it's clear in the bible that God said they were dust, now tell me where bible says their bodies were light emanating covering. the garments of skin or not , is not the issue but why did God gave them the test that they could not win even if devil could deceived
most part of heavenly hosts and wage war against his creator how
much ordinary mortal man? The story of that creation is just fairly tales the more you try to defend it the more you expose the flaw.

MuttleyLaff:
This is strong meat that cracks teeth like yours. I should know better not to cast pearls at ..., lol. Your problem is you're a victim of crab mentality, at the very least, lol

A&E were spirits tabernacled in a human body, they lost their glorious light emanating covering terrestrial body for the current telestial one we now have put on jcross19

Oya, show now, where the bible said, in a clear and outright manner, it was animal skin, erhn?

Without access to the ToL, of course A&E are mortals just like you and I, lol, and from dust we are made and so dust we all return to, lol.

Coats of skins.—Animals, therefore, were killed even in Paradise; nor is it certain that man’s diet was until the flood entirely vegetarian (see Note on Genesis 1:29 ). Until sin entered the world no sacrifices could have been offered; and if, therefore, these were the skins of animals offered in sacrifice, as many suppose, Adam must in some way, immediately after the fall, have been taught that without shedding of blood is no remission of sin, but that God will accept a vicarious sacrifice. This is perhaps the most tenable view; and if, with Knobel, we see in this arrival at the idea of sacrifice a rapid development in Adam of thought and intellect, yet it may not have been entirely spontaneous, but the effect of divinely-inspired convictions rising up within his soul. It shows also that the innocence of our first parents was gone. In his happy state Adam had studied the animals, and tamed them and made them his friends; now a sense of guilt urges him to inflict upon them pain and suffering and death. But in the first sacrifice was laid the foundation of the whole Mosaical dispensation, as in Genesis 3:15 that of the Gospel. Moreover, from sacrificial worship there was alleviation for man’s bodily wants, and he went forth equipped with raiment suited for the harder lot that awaited him outside the garden; and, better far, there was peace for his soul, and the thought—even if still but faint and dim—of the possibility for him of an atonement.

jcross19:
I just laugh you! all those things you posted here was copied from one site

Copied and copied from one site? You are even worse than someone suffering from crab mentality, you are even that nasty, you are malicious enough to falsefully accuse me that I copied all I have typed here from one site, smh. You're a bitter person, if you arent already yet an old man. I feel pity for you, smh.

jcross19:
now tell me what's difference between you and glori those plagiarized that summerian text?. you think all those things you saw on that site make sense? every mortal man is a spirit clothed with skin. it's clear in the bible that God said they were dust, now tell me where bible says their bodies were light emanating covering. the garments of skin or not , is not the issue

Funnily enough, I read you and shadeyinka talking, with you saying: "can you see now you talking about the summerian text right? which is more.older than the bible right? then tell how are you sure that the writer of that genesis did not copy from that sumerian.text" then later also read sonmvayina and kkkins25 talking about "same God different nomenclature" I was making a response to all four of you, but left my reaction to your comments unfinished because I had to have a 45 minutes power sleep which I've just woken up from.

"Its not today, it started. There is nothing wrong with borrowed technology. The bible is littered with borrowed technology. I know you're smart and clever enough link dots to see an emerged picture"
- Re: Please Tell Us,how You Got The Thought "There Is No God Almighty by MuttleyLaff: 11:18pm On Dec 29, 2018

Fyi jcross19, in my reply to that your "copied sumerian text" comment, I was going to type out something to the effect of what you see and read above, which is a quote of mine from another thread, lol. So, so what, if Moses didnt try to re-invent the wheel, but used readily available stuff to get the message home.

As for sonmvayina , my reply to him is that, for their information, Obatala is the archetype Jesus, lol and Olodumare is God the Father and for kkin25, my reply to him is, God never and/or did not divide Himself into three different individuals. I'll recommend them both read up on Acts 17:16-34, they cant ask me questions on it, if the need arise, lol

jcross19:
but why did God gave them the test that they could not win even if devil could deceived
most part of heavenly hosts and wage war against his creator how much ordinary mortal man? The story of that creation is just fairly tales the more you try to defend it the more you expose the flaw.

I have already and in detail explained why God gave A&E the test but jcross19, you have the habit of covering your eyes when reading comments and sticking your fingers in your ears, so I am not surprised you here are asking this question all over again, lol

God had faith in man. It is man who had no faith in himself jcross19. God will never subject anyone to tests that they cant handle and/or that is too much for them. What do you think God is, what do you take God for jcross19, hmm? jcross19, I hope you are not viewing God as a sadist, someone who takes pleasure from acts involving inflicting pain on others or even humiliation too. Do you at all recall what 1 Corinthians 10:13 says jcross15?. Smh.

jcross19:
Coats of skins.—Animals, therefore, were killed even in Paradise; nor is it certain that man’s diet was until the flood entirely vegetarian (see Note on Genesis 1:29 ). Until sin entered the world no sacrifices could have been offered; and if, therefore, these were the skins of animals offered in sacrifice, as many suppose, Adam must in some way, immediately after the fall, have been taught that without shedding of blood is no remission of sin, but that God will accept a vicarious sacrifice. This is perhaps the most tenable view; and if, with Knobel, we see in this arrival at the idea of sacrifice a rapid development in Adam of thought and intellect, yet it may not have been entirely spontaneous, but the effect of divinely-inspired convictions rising up within his soul. It shows also that the innocence of our first parents was gone. In his happy state Adam had studied the animals, and tamed them and made them his friends; now a sense of guilt urges him to inflict upon them pain and suffering and death. But in the first sacrifice was laid the foundation of the whole Mosaical dispensation, as in Genesis 3:15 that of the Gospel. Moreover, from sacrificial worship there was alleviation for man’s bodily wants, and he went forth equipped with raiment suited for the harder lot that awaited him outside the garden; and, better far, there was peace for his soul, and the thought—even if still but faint and dim—of the possibility for him of an atonement.

Look at you, look at you pathetically copying word for word from Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers. This is just sheer abject laziness and theft. You pasted the man's work here word for word without giving him credit as your source, without giving him acknowledgement as the author, smh

I am 10000% sure that, you will NEVER find it in you, to present here, where in scripture, the Bible says, the skins of animals were offered in sacrifice. You should be ashamed of yourself. I spit out a very good big volume of my precious saliva and shout, "Tufiakwa"! at you

shadeyinka:
The Bible says Adam and Eve covered their nakednẹss (which of necessity include their private parts). No one is even sure if Eve's breasts were covered (as it isn't a private part to some cultures).

[img]https://s5/images/LoinHebrew.jpg[/img]

You know know you dont have to take my word as gospel, why not have a look at any interlinear of your choice, maybe just lik one shown above, to see what the Hebrew word "chagorot" or "chagowr," means in English shadeyinka, lol. Let me spare you the journey and time, it means covering over the loin area, as in covering the waist or mid body region areas, lol. The word literally means girdle (i.e. used to wrap about the loins) Of course, aside any pretence(s), you know what a girdle is, you know what it looks like and/or shapes as too. This was a waist apron and not to be mistaken for a chef apron shadeyinka, lol

shadeyinka:
I add no speculation to it: they covered their nakednẹss!

MuttleyLaff:
jcross19, before I begin to pause here, while you bite, chew and gnaw at all this, lol, are you aware of what the Quran says in Surah Al-A'raf chapter 7 verse 27 at all, as in meaning, about how A&E wore flesh from being rendered naked, lol? Yeah you're surprised I read the Quran right, lol. Dont be, I am a glutton for knowledge, so I gobble up everything in sight. I eat the straw, but spit out the sticks, lol. Yeah jcross19, find time to go look up Quran's Surah Al-A'raf 7:27, lol.

shadeyinka will find Surah Al-A'raf 7:27 to be an eye opener, lol, his eyes will open just like A&E eyes opened too, lol. I am sorry, I couldnt resist the pun and play on words there, lol

I had earlier today, as you can see from the above quote, referred you to check out Surah Al-A'raf 7:27, just because of when you make such gaffee comments just as like this one you made and with it advertising your ignorance lol

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/LoinHebrew.jpg[/img]

You know know you dont have to take my word as gospel, why not have a look at any interlinear of your choice, maybe just lik one shown above, to see what the Hebrew word "chagorot" or "chagowr," means in English shadeyinka, lol



I had earlier today, as you can see from the above quote, referred you to check out Surah Al-A'raf 7:27, just because of when you make such gaffee comments just as like this one you made and with it advertising your ignorance lol

Quote your Qur'an if you like. It isn't a source or authority to me.

I don't know what is worth arguing about "Adam and Eve covered their unclothedness!". Honestly, I don't know why it should be a subject of dispute!

MuttleyLaff:
Look at you, look at you pathetically copying word for word from Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers. This is just sheer abject laziness and theft. You pasted the man's work here word for word without giving him credit as your source, without giving him acknowledgement as the author, smh

I am 10000% sure that, you will NEVER find it in you, to present here, where in scripture, the Bible says, the skins of animals were offered in sacrifice. You should be ashamed of yourself. I spit out a very good big volume of my precious saliva and shout, "Tufiakwa"! at you

I intentionally did it to show you some people reason the way I do! and you too can. never show me from Bible that their bodies were clothed terrestrial body according to yours, mind can be easily accepted when we go deeper!. let me school you in the garden of Eden if we should follow the story just like that it's very simple to say there were naked as in unclad and they might not felt cold because we can easily in the garden there was. o scorching of sun, cold and every was in perfect shape for the naked body . now because they were leaving a comfort zone to a scorching sun and harsh weather they need some thing for cover up. now after leaving Eden is there any record that shown that adam covered his unclothedness again? the bible state clearly that Adam and eve sew fig tree leaves to cover what then? God knows that leaves won't last long like coats of skin.

Jehovah's Witnesses!

One God, One Bible, One organization, One mind!
John 17:20-23 compared to Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

There is no other way you can twist this case, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're a member of those SCATTERED! Matthew 12:30

So continue arguing amongst yourselves in the name of One father, One Word (Jesus) and one holy spirit! Matthew 28:19

shadeyinka:
Quote your Qur'an if you like. It isn't a source or authority to me.

The Quran is not a source or authority to me either. Apostle Paul is very well known to quote from what isnt a source or authority to him either too, lol, so do you want to say something else, hmm, lol?

shadeyinka:
I don't know what is worth arguing about "Adam and Eve covered their nakednẹss!". Honestly, I don't know why it should be a subject of dispute!

The subject of dispute are the lies habitually being told you and what you've come to believe, lol

Knowing the truth is unnerving you shadeyinka. Seeing that the truth is about setting you free, is now, at first beginning to piss you off, lol. You dont like don't want to hear the truth because your illusions will get destroyed, as jcross19 would have said your "fairy tale" castle will come tumbling down, lol

jcross19:
I intentionally did it to show you some people reason the way I do!

You're nothing than an unashamed thief, you stole someone else literary work, copying it here word for word as if they all originated from you, as if you thought everything up all by yourself, pretending they are your original write up. You never once credited the rightful owner and you still have the gall to come on here to boast about doing it, smh

jcross19:
and you too can. never show me from Bible that their bodies were clothed terrestrial body according to yours, mind can be easily accepted when we go deeper!.

I have previously told you that our natural body, this our flesh, the unglorious body, is the proof of our fall from grace, fallen nature. You have no idea of what go deeper is. The only deeper you'll be doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself to fall into and not be able to climb out of from, lol. Smello dey smell, smh.

jcross19:
let me school you in the garden of Eden

It will be suicidal for you to school me in the garden of Eden, please dont even go there

jcross19:
if we should follow the story just like that it's very simple to say there were naked as in unclad and they might not felt cold because we can easily in the garden there was. No scorching of sun, cold and every was in perfect shape for the naked body . now because they were leaving a comfort zone to a scorching sun and harsh weather they need some thing for cover up.

Do you at all know and/or understand at what the TKGE means (i.e. Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil)?. Do you at all know what TKGE signifies?. Are you familiar with what the figure of speech TKGE merism means?

jcross19:
now after leaving Eden is there any record that shown that adam covered his nakednẹss again?

What nakednẹss again after the, are you now talking about. Didnt you read me earlier say, It is those who wear the [flesh] who are naked ni, smh

jcross19:
the bible state clearly that Adam and Eve sew fig tree leaves to cover what then?

A&E, put together fig leaves to cover up their loin area, to cover up their incriminating private parts to be precise. That is what the Bible clearly says, not MuttleyLaff, lol

jcross19:
God knows that leaves won't last long like coats of skin.

God knew more than that and so he made them a protective skin, which incidentally is the largest organ of any human body. It protected A&E from the harsh elements of a post garden of Eden that formerly was a serene, calm, peaceful beautiful and stress free environment experience lol

Remember our friend, the TKGE, now with this skin, A&E will be able to experience and have that sensations of feel being touched and not feel being touched, warmth and cold, pain and pleasure, sweet and bitter, happy and sad etctera. The skin covers up our endoskeleton, our bones, sinews (i.e. tendons & ligaments) and organs. It protects us from infectious bacteria etcetera, it helps us with the hairs on regulate our body temperature. I am sure you know that fig leaves have little sharp fibers just like hairs on them too.

MuttleyLaff:
The Quran is not a source or authority to me either. Apostle Paul is very well known to quote from what isnt a source or authority to him either too, lol, so do you want to say something else, hmm, lol?

The subject of dispute are the lies habitually being told you and what you've come to believe, lol

Knowing the truth is unnerving you shadeyinka. Seeing that the truth is about setting you free, is now, at first beginning to piss you off, lol. You dont like don't want to hear the truth because your illusions will get destroyed, as jcross19 would have said your "fairy tale" castle will come tumbling down, lol

What is wrong with saying they covered their unclothedness?

I guess you'll prefer "they covered their penis and Virgina!?

Honestly, I wonder why this should resort to an argument!