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Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 4:55pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
One of the reasons the Jews dont accept Jesus as the Messiah is the fact that he isnt from the lineage of David. The ancient and medieval church believed that Jesus’ humanity was a new creation, and therefore sinless. The ancients commonly believed that the woman contributes nothing to the physical being of the baby to be born. Ancient people thought the child was only related to the father. The mother was nothing but a receptacle for the male sperm, which grew to become a child, which we now know to be a false understanding of genetics. Since this is so, it makes a mockery of the attempt to harmonize the genealogies of Jesus given in Luke (3:23-37) and Matthew (1:1-17). They cannot be legitimately harmonized anyway, but the best attempt is to argue that Luke traces Jesus’ royal lineage back through Mary, while Matthew traces his lineage back through Joseph. Even if this is the case, there are additional serious problems. If Jesus’ royal lineage is to be traced back through Mary, then Mary was just the receptacle of God’s seed, contributing nothing. And if that’s so, how can Jesus legitimately be of the Davidic lineage? However, if Jesus’ royal lineage is to be traced back through Joseph, and if Joseph was not the father, then we have the same problem. not forgetting that a man's genealogy is traced from his father's side (at least in that era)... In either case, how can Jesus legitimately be of the Davidic lineage? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by chicoMX(m): 6:04pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Both scriptures traced His lineage through Joseph. You're just confusing yourself 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 7:12pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
chicoMX: Oga read it very well... ure d one confusing urself. its no longer news that the bible is filled with contradictions |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by GreetMe(m): 7:37pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
chicoMX:Don't mind him. "If Jesus is Mary's seed from the lineage of David it's unacceptable, if he is from the lineage of Joseph, it's unacceptable too...yen yen yen" |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 7:45pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Matthew trace His legal line, by the virtue of the marriage, it establishes His claim and right to the throne of David. Matthew wanted to show Jesus’ legal right to the throne of David. Therefore his genealogy begins with Abraham and goes through David and his son Solomon to Jesus’ legal father, Joseph. Matthew 1:16 Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, OF WHOM was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Notice that he does not say ‘Joseph begat Jesus’ but that he was "the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born." If there was any accusation made by hostile Jews that Jesus’ birth was illegitimate, the fact that Joseph was aware of the circumstances, married Mary and gave her the protection of his good name and royal lineage refutes such slander. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by BlueAngel444: 7:49pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1: What is lineage Are you the one that defines lineage So God that says a child that's not the biological child of a man can inherit his property based on the legal ground He Himself being God permitted through Moses. I am not even going to state all the articles online that claim to have researched that Mary was Hell's daughter and Joseph was his legal son. So the Jews have absolute no excuse, but their own lack of knowledge or pride or deception from their Pharisees either way... There were Jews who believed and accepted Jesus. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Kenneth4u205(m): 8:01pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:you need to study Jewish laws .supposing you married a wife and died before having a child . Then by Jewish law ,your junior brother Will impregnate your wife so as to raise children for you .those children are legally yours even if you are not their biological father .the will bear your name .That is Jewish law .it also applies when a man got only female children .one of the unmarried female child can sleep with a man in order to have a male child to bear her father's name (not the biological father's name ).So by Jewish law ,Joseph was the legal father of Jesus Christ.you got confused because you were using Nigeria law to analyse the situation.You have to use Jewish law at that time .Jesus was the offspring of David and the legal son of Joseph according to Jewish law .So he fulfilled all the requirements of the law to be the messiah 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by sonmvayina(m): 8:22pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Kenneth4u205: Was Joseph a king?.. Messiah means anointed King.. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 8:29pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Kenneth4u205: i should be the one telling u that cuz obviously u know nothing about jewish laws... Jesus was adopted by joseph. Adoption as u know it was derived from roman law and not Jewish law. In Judaism genealogy determines the status of your child. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 8:32pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
malvisguy212: an adopted* son cannot and will never be an heir to any throne 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 8:42pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
BlueAngel444: mind you, we are talking about the throne here, not mere properties but nonetheless please include the bible verse where God said that cuz i know of the one about other family members in the absence of a son but not an adopted son or a total stranger |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 9:03pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
chicoMX: He actually made a point but both Joseph and Mary were from David's lineage. That's why God's holy spirit helped us to know that if critics argued against Jesus' royal lineage through his FOSTER father (Joseph), they can't deny his genealogy through Mary (his mother) Luke traced his ancestral lineage through Mary (his mother) but Matthew traced it through Joseph (his foster father) They can argue against the report of one witness but NOT two Witnesses on this same matter ! Deuteronomy 19:15 God bless you! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by chicoMX(m): 9:10pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Maximus69: Thanks for this |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 9:13pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 9:20pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Matthew argument was that the fact that the Jews never used women as direct genealogical link and the way the Bible use the word "son" and father. People who were adopted were considered "sons", and their "seed" throughout history. Even today, when people are adopted, they are considered part of the blood line in family trees, and take the family name, and inherit family fortunes as if they were the "seed". Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a SON" The writers of the New Testament understood that in order to be a "son", one need not be a physical descendant. This is proof.. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Kenneth4u205(m): 9:29pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Jesus wasn't adopted by Joseph.the pregnancy occurred after he had already paid the bride price .Mary was already legally his wife .adoption not applicable in this case .if you buy a female goat and the goat get pregnant and gave birth in your house .doesn't the baby goat automatically become your goat also ?.do you go about telling people my adopted baby goat ? |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 9:36pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
sonmvayina:very funny question |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 9:46pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Kenneth4u205: Adoption is when you accept to be a parent to a child that isn't yours. Being married to mary doesn't automatically make Joseph the father of Jesus. He can accept or reject the responsibility. accepting it is simply adoption |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 9:47pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Please can u name any adopted son that became a king in the bible? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 10:08pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1: Even till our modern era... No monarchy allows adopted children to be included in line of succession |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 10:17pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Kenneth4u205: we are talking of marriage between two humans and someone is comparing it to buying a goat ![]() |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 10:26pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:every son required a father, and both Matthew and Luke use the word "SON" in referring to JESUS, so who was HIS father ? I put it to you 1) that Jesus was actually the Son of God and the natural heir to the Kingdom by miraculous birth through the virgin girl Mary, of David’s line, and (2) that Jesus was also the legal heir in the male line of descent from David and Solomon through his adoptive father Joseph . |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 10:33pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
malvisguy212: clearly u didn't read my post. except ure trying to say ure more familiar with Jewish laws than the Jews themselves |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 10:36pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:who was the father of JESUS ? note: your argument only stand if you deny the deity of Jesus. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 11:10pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
malvisguy212: well mary should be in a better position to answer that. note- Jesus never called himself the son of God |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 7:09am On Dec 26, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:did you know why I ask you this question about the biological father of JESUS ? if Jesus were really Joseph’s son by blood, he could not claim to sit on David’s throne because of the Jeconiah curse; but Jesus was not Joseph’s son, for he was born of the virgin Mary. when Matthew present his genealogy ,he had the jeconiah curse in mind. according to Matthew Joseph had the jeconiah blood in His vain. Matthew could've used Mary who have a direct lineage through Ruth ,Bathsheba and Nathan (David wife) . but since Matthew is tracing the Royal line, he opted for Solomon because Solomon is the hair to David throne. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by malvisguy212: 7:15am On Dec 26, 2019 |
^^^ Mary was a member of the house of David. But unlike Joseph, she came from David’s son, Nathan, not Solomon. Mary was a member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah. Since Jesus was Mary’s son, he too was a member of the house of David, apart from Jeconiah. |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by movingclouds(m): 10:25am On Dec 26, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Because many Kings never adopted a child... In this case, it's different. To a Jew, Jesus might not be fit to be his physical King cos He wasn't the legal son of Joseph or probably because of their hatred for Him and his teachings..Everything you wrote up there is an envious teaching by the Pharisees.. The same Jews that claimed a bastard can't rule over them, but after plagued by war, had to go call the bastard to rule? They are the most stubborn humans according to the bible... |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by movingclouds(m): 10:28am On Dec 26, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Lol, and what did he mean when he said ""I and my Father in heaven" https://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/can-you-prove-jesus-god |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 11:05am On Dec 26, 2019 |
movingclouds: if anyone comes out and makes such statement and you believe just because he said so well..... |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by Nobody: 11:08am On Dec 26, 2019 |
movingclouds: that's the issue with Christianity. always different with Jesus. by the way can u give me the name of the bastard that ruled the jews? and the fact about Jews being stubborn does dat include Jesus and his disciples cuz i believe they were stubborn also |
Re: Jesus Was Not From The Lineage Of David! by movingclouds(m): 11:33am On Dec 26, 2019 |
Leonardemma1:Jephthah was an example, thrown out of his father's house because they believed he was a bastard and a child of a prostitute.. But when the Ammonites came against them, they went to beg him and called him a man of valor... In Ezekiel 2:4, they were called stubborn children.. And there's something u need to learn, because people say Ibadan people are lousy doesn't mean they all are.... When you're in an argument, think only not to win, but to respect the other party...thats what this is about... |
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