hammerU:



U did not answer the Seaport question.


We already know the tribes in the SS are very daft.


We have also told dem they are daft and they agree too.

What seaport problem? Pay the going rate and use the ports like we are already doing.
Slowly work to acquire the technology and might to negotiate a river port access in the nearest future. Play your diplomacy politics very well.
What is wrong with you lots?

MelesZenawi:



How old are you because all your statements are riddled with disgrace and begging on part of Igbo.


God save you from such mentality.

Bro, their is no easy way to navigate the dangerous and traitorous political terrain of Nigeria and Igboland in particular.

IPOB have done exceptionally well in this regard.

At this position, it is a win win for us.

Whether, Nigeria continues post 2023, it will do so with Igbo assuming a dominant role it had in the 1960s.

Everybody is talking about Igbo Presidency and at least VP for 2023.

If it breaks up, we are working on an all inclusive package to secure a prosperious economy in an economically viable state.

pazienza:


What seaport problem? Pay the going rate and use the ports like we are already doing.
Slowly work to acquire the technology and might to negotiate a river port access in the nearest future. Play your diplomacy politics very well.
What is wrong with you lots?

Pay the rate to which nation and use their Seaport?

Eastlink:
IPOB is not an Igbo organization. The earlier many of you understand this, the better for us. There is nothing Igbo about it, religiously, culturally and otherwise. It is an alien to our way of life. Ndigbo must begin to sit up politically and fight for what is ours. Some people understands our emotional attachment to Biafra and they use that to get at us. We must begin to use our head and not our hearts.
IPOB intends to destroy everything about us, our leaders, our religious leaders and all those who stands in their way. There is nothing like supreme leader in Igbo culture.

I don’t care about the cultural aspect of IPOB. I care more about their membership which is 99% igbo.

Besides every organization needs a leader. Whatever they choose to call their leader is their business. I know I will personally never address Nnamdi Kanu as supreme leader. I will only add Mazi to his name. Thats it.

hammerU:



Bro, their is no easy way to navigate the dangerous and traitorous political terrain of Nigeria and Igboland in particular.

IPOB have done exceptionally well in this regard.

At this position, it is a win win for us.

Whether, Nigeria continues post 2023, it will do so with Igbo assuming a dominant role it had in the 1960s.

Everybody is talking about Igbo Presidency and at least VP for 2023.

If it breaks up, we are working on an all inclusive package to secure a prosperious economy in an economically viable state.

Continue navigating on Idealism while those navigating on realism are making headway and achieving feats.

hammerU:



U did not answer the Seaport question.


We already know the tribes in the SS are very daft.


We have also told dem they are daft and they agree too.

You see my point.

Those groups down south even hate you more than they hate Northerners. Go look at the presidential elections results in 1979 and 1983.
Those people all voted for Shagari and Awolowo and only less than 1% of votes came from that region for Zik.
This is a region that recently renamed a public edifice after Gowon. To put it in relative terms, it's akin to a group who worships Hitler, yet an Israeli wants to form a country with them.

You think they are daft( which by the way, I totally disagree) while they hate you guts, your culture, your mannerisms, everything about you. Your demon is their hero and your hero is their demon. Have sat down with these people to discuss about their opinions about Ojukwu ?

See I don't know what you guys smoke at IPOB , but I would advise you leave Ndiigbo out of it.

pazienza:


The last part of your post is true.
I have come to realize that IPOB would render Ndiigbo useless in their bid to eat the faeces from Igbophobic groups down south.

IPOB is anti Igbo unity.

If you see the way the groups down SS butcher each other, u will realize how much they love Ndiigbo.

During the Warri crisis, only Igbos were allowed to trade, whilst these SS grooups butchered themselves like goats.

Wat am saying is that the problem is not limited to Igbo alone.

pazienza:


What seaport problem? Pay the going rate and use the ports like we are already doing.
Slowly work to acquire the technology and might to negotiate a river port access in the nearest future. Play your diplomacy politics very well.
What is wrong with you lots?

Current UN laws of the sea and waterways already gives us access. It will be a very easy case to win at the ICC if Nigeria tries nonsense.

pazienza:


You see my point.

Those groups down south even hate you more than they hate Northerners. Go look at the presidential elections results in 1979 and 1983.
Those people all voted for Shagari and Awolowo and only less than 1% of votes came from that region for Zik.
This is a region that recently renamed a public edifice after Gowon. To put it in relative terms, it's akin to a group who worships Hitler, yet an Israeli wants to form a country with them.

You think they are daft( which by the way, I totally disagree) while they hate you guts, your culture, your mannerisms, everything about you. Your demon is their hero and your hero is their demon. Have sat down with these people to discuss about their opinions about Ojukwu ?

See I don't know what you guys smoke at IPOB , but I would advise you leave Ndiigbo out of it.

@ the bolded

So true. We make the mistake of focusing on igbophobia from the yorubas that we tend to ignore the strong and potent ones brewing in our own backyard.

MelesZenawi:



Continue navigating on Idealism while those navigating on realism are making headway and achieving feats.

Mr realist, wat state are u going to trade with?

Igbo dat the whole of Nigeria is not even enough to trade, and are fighting in Ghana for trading space.

I think u emotional guys should just let IPOB do wat we do best and negotiate a good deal for us all.

hammerU:


If you see the way the groups down SS butcher each other, u will realize how much they love Ndiigbo.

During the Warri crisis, only Igbos were allowed to trade, whilst these SS grooups butchered themselves like goats.

Wat am saying is that the problem is not limited to Igbo alone.

Are you the one they butchering?

Moreover such scenerio rarely exist and stop making up stories to elongate threads why seeing yourself as if you making sense but you not.


As far as I remember warri fighting is limited to politics of oil and power which I have witnessed working there. Nobody is targeted as other ethnicities mind their business.


Is only persons like you who made up stories to justify their stand. As for me I see them as people who can't stand alone.

Your actions speaks of how you behave viably in business life. Re-organise yourself

horsepower101:


Current UN laws of the sea and waterways already gives us access. It will be a very easy case to win at the ICC if Nigeria tries nonsense.

Even if Nigeria refuses.
Ako bu ije and might makes right.
They refuse you river port access? No problem, negotiate temporary payment agreement with them, then quietly plan long term, build your country, building your economy, develop your air hub, a landlocked country should look at the air, see Ethiopian air industry, build up your military might and technological know how while they are asleep living fat on your levies. And then one day, lay claim to your right and get rid of all that stands on your way.
It's not everything that we must come and be talking online. IPOB and their unity begging business irritates and disgusts the living hell out of me, like what the hell people! You guys bring disgrace to Ndiigbo.

horsepower101:


@ the bolded

So true. We make the mistake of focusing of igbophobia from the yorubas that we tent to ignore the strong and potent ones brewing in our own backyard.

And wat do u propose we do?


Run! run! run! lol


Ogboso one of Igboland.

hammerU:


Mr realist, wat state are u going to trade with?

Igbo dat the whole of Nigeria is not even enough to trade, and are fighting in Ghana for trading space.

I think u emotional guys should just let IPOB do wat we do best and negotiate a good deal for us all.

You very myopic and I am cutting off as usual.

Is like asking Ghana which states are they trading with?

Asking Germany which country are they tradimg with?

Asking Congo which country are they trading with.


Last time I checked Igbos are also in those countries , trading there, paying their tax and living comfortably whilst taking up projects home wise based on aku luo uno.


That's why I always asked your level of education because I don't want to believe how you continue to think like a frustrated bachelor's degree holder.

hammerU:


Mr realist, wat state are u going to trade with?

Igbo dat the whole of Nigeria is not even enough to trade, and are fighting in Ghana for trading space.

I think u emotional guys should just let IPOB do wat we do best and negotiate a good deal for us all.

Open shop trading is not the future.
You can't possibly be trying to make a successful country out of petty trading.
I now understand why you lots are so persistent about seaports, all you think of is going to China to import cheap and low quality materials to come and sell. You think this is how you build a nation ?
I tire for una mata. Sooner than later, Ndiigbo would have to find alternative to petty trading all over Nigeria or........

hammerU:


And wat do u propose we do?


Run! run! run! lol


Ogboso one of Igboland.

Run? No

Protect my remaining dignity? YESS

I will never beg anyone to be with me. I am igbo, people should be begging to join our Biafra.

MelesZenawi:



Are you the one they butchering?

Moreover such scenerio rarely exist and stop making up stories to elongate threads why seeing yourself as if you making sense but you not.


As far as I remember warri fighting us limited to politics of oil and power which I have witnessed working there. Nobody us targeted as other ethnicities mind their business.


Is only persons like you who made up stories to justify their stand. As for me I see them as people who can't stand alone.

Your actions speaks of how you behave viably in business life. Re-organise yourself

So we abandon the Ibibio that stood by us to the end, even wen Ojukwu left?


Are Igbos now better than the western SS that we complain about?

pazienza:


Open shop trading is not the future.
You can't possibly be trying to make a successful country out of petty trading.
I know understand why you lots are so persistent about seaports, all you think of is going to China to import cheap and low quality materials to come and sell. You think this is how you build a nation ?
I tire for una mata. Sooner than later, Ndiigbo would have to find alternative to petty trading all over Nigeria or........

They don't know anything.

horsepower101:


Run? No

Protect my remaining dignity? YESS

I will never beg anyone to be with me. I am igbo, people should be begging to join our Biafra.

Gbam!
IPOB is a bunch of low esteem people. Enough is enough.

hammerU:



So we abandon the Ibibio that stood by us to the end, even wen Ojukwu left?


Are Igbos now better than the western SS that we complain about?

From warri to ibibio to Ikwerre to Urhobo....back and forth argument.

Young man I don't engage in gossips before you drag me into one in your usual style.

pazienza:


Open shop trading is not the future.
You can't possibly be trying to make a successful country out of petty trading.
I now understand why you lots are so persistent about seaports, all you think of is going to China to import cheap and low quality materials to come and sell. You think this is how you build a nation ?
I tire for una mata. Sooner than later, Ndiigbo would have to find alternative to petty trading all over Nigeria or........

Nwanna I need to buy you a drink for real. It makes me sad when I see very educated people think too little.

Igbos should be the China of Africa. We should be manufacturing everything. No excuses

Those still stuck on importation and petty trading for future of Ndigbo lack vision.

pazienza:


Open shop trading is not the future.
You can't possibly be trying to make a successful country out of petty trading.
I now understand why you lots are so persistent about seaports, all you think of is going to China to import cheap and low quality materials to come and sell. You think this is how you build a nation ?
I tire for una mata. Sooner than later, Ndiigbo would have to find alternative to petty trading all over Nigeria or........

lol!

The truth is dat Economics leads this discussion.

The minute we start discussing Economics, it does not take time for everybody to be on the same page.

hammerU:
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Wat do we do about Igbo people in the SS region, do we cut them off permanently?

How do we access the Sea?[/s]

You don't fight for us. Bury your IPOB to yourselves. We don't want an IPOB Biafra headed by one supreme ant that fails to understand what we desire. If not for oil I doubt the sincere intentions of the illiterate IPOB.
A new group that is solely Igbo in orientation must be formed. A group that will carry us along, fight for Igbo unity and fight for the interest of our people is what we want and not a useless IPOB. The idea of Biafra of no headway is totally rejected by us. We rather remain in Nigeria than enter a potential confederacy of ethnicity which would be worst than south Sudan.

hammerU:



So we abandon the Ibibio that stood by us to the end, even wen Ojukwu left?


Are Igbos now better than the western SS that we complain about?

Stop living in the past.
No Ibibio person is interested in your Biafra today. Whatever happened in the past is in the past, move on for once.

You know fully well that Ibibio are not interested in your Biafra, but lack of group esteem is worrying you guys.
How many sit at home orders have MASSOB and IPOB organized since 1999 to date? At least 20. Not for once did Ibibios observe one of them.
You have observers on ground, even NK refused to visit Ibibioland when he was in Nigeria, he knows Biafra and IPOB don't enjoy the freewill of the people there. IPOB hierarchy are dishonest. They know fully well what the scores are but they choose to keep playing the ostrich, to what end?



Go to their(Ibibio) facebook pages and mention Biafra and see the insult and hostility you will receive.
Not one edifice or road is named after Effiong in Akwa ibom, they don't consider him a hero. Many even see him as a sellout.

You can't abandon someone that doesn't want to be with you to start with, how hard is this simple logic to understand?

Eastlink:
You don't fight for us. Bury your IPOB to yourselves. We don't want an IPOB Biafra headed by one supreme ant that fails to understand what we desire. If not for oil I doubt the sincere intentions of the illiterate IPOB.
A new group that is solely Igbo in orientation must be formed. A group that will carry us along, fight for Igbo unity and fight for the interest of our people is what we want and not a useless IPOB. The idea of Biafra of no headway is totally rejected by us. We rather remain in Nigeria than enter a potential confederacy of ethnicity which would be worst than south Sudan.

Have u seen the video where Nnamdi Kanu was a proud Nigerian?


Did u see him campaign for Sowore release?


We are not a racist organisation, if u want to continue to live in a fairy tale Nigeria of Ohanaeze going to beg Arewa youth or your Governors selling each other out to Hausa and Yoruba, just say so.


We are not about any of the things u accuse us of, but a better life for our people.


Y should a Northerner go to University with a lower cut off mark and a South easterner with highest cut off mark?


Wat have your Igbo politicians or state governors said about that?


IPOB are the only group that have truily challenged the Nigeria State and paid heavily too but still defiant.

pazienza:


Stop living in the past.
No Ibibio person is interested in your Biafra today. Whatever happened in the past is in the past, move on for once.

You know fully well that Ibibio are not interested in your Biafra, but lack of group esteem is worrying you guys.
How many sit at home orders have MASSOB and IPOB organized since 1999 to date? At least 20. Not for once did Ibibios observe one of them.
You have observers on ground, even NK refused to visit Ibibioland when he was in Nigeria. IPOB hierarchy are dishonest. They know fully well what the scores are but they choose to keep playing the ostrich, to what end?



Go to their(Ibibio) facebook pages and mention Biafra and see the insult and hostility you will receive.
Not one edifice or road is named after Effiong in Akwa ibom, they don't consider him a hero. Many even see him as a sellout.

It’s always good to have someone inject a dose of reality to discussions. You have accomplished that.

Biafra May not happen In our lifetime. Not because lack of support. Rather because of delusional and misguided igbos who are still waiting on south south to come with them.

The sooner we all realize that they have moved on and don’t want no business with us, the faster Biafra will come.

horsepower101:


It’s always good to have someone inject a dose of reality to discussions. You have accomplished that.

Biafra May not happen In our lifetime. Not because lack of support. Rather because of delusional and misguided igbos who are still waiting on south south to come with them.

The sooner we all realize that they have moved on and don’t want no business with us, the faster Biafra will come.

Do u want the same thing that happen during Biafra war to repeat itself?

The middle-belt fought very hard becos they could not see themselves in Nigeria without the Igbos.

So they fought us.

The same was the case for the Yoruba in the SW.

The day we try to leave this country without the SS, will be another lesson for Igbos to learn.

Remember wat happened to Adaka boro, wen he tried to leave and wat Aguiyi Ironsi, Nnamdi Azikiwe and other Nigerians did to them.

Be wise!

hammerU:


Do u want the same thing that happen during Biafra war to repeat itself?

The middle-belt fought very hard becos they could not see themselves in Nigeria without the Igbos.

So they fought us.

The same was the cas efor the Yoruba in the SW.

The day we try to leave this country without the SS, will be another lesson for Igbos to learn.

Remember wat happened to Adaka boro, wen he tried to leave and wat Nnamdi Azikiwe and other Nigerians did to them.

Be wise!

You IPOB guys are irredeemable.
You will lose the support of all reasonable Igbos and you will slowly fizzle out. We will not allow you to continue dissipating Igbo energy, that's for sure.

pazienza:


You IPOB guys are irredeemable.
You will lose the support of all reasonable Igbos and you will slowly fizzle out. We will not allow you to continue dissipating Igbo energy, that's for sure.

Ok tell us about Isaac Adaka Boro.

Wat happened there initially?

They declared the Niger Delta Republic on February 23, 1966 and fought with federal forces for twelve days before being defeated. Boro and his comrades were jailed for treason.

hammerU:


Ok tell us about Isaac Adaka Boro.

Wat happened there initially?

They declared the Niger Delta Republic on February 23, 1966 and fought with federal forces for twelve days before being defeated. Boro and his comrades were jailed for treason.

And what exactly is your point? I still don’t understand how that means we must have a Biafra that includes the south south (non igbos)?

hammerU:



Have u seen the video where Nnamdi Kanu was a proud Nigerian?


Did u see him campaign for Sowore release?


We are not a racist organisation, if u want to continue to live in a fairy tale Nigeria of Ohanaeze going to beg Arewa youth or your Governors selling each other out to Hausa and Yoruba, just say so.


We are not about any of the things u accuse us of, but a better life for our people.


Y should a Northerner go to University with a lower cut off mark and a South easterner with highest cut off mark?


Wat have your Igbo politicians said about that?


IPOB are the only group that have truily challenged the Nigeria State and paid heavily too but still defiant.

You still don't understand that Kanu does not have our interest at heart. Anyone that uses Biafra as a strategy automatically become an Igbo freedom fighter. What does Nnamdi Kanu's attitude portray to your likes?
Today proudly Nigeria, support GEJ, support the fight against Boko Haram etc. And you wake up tomorrow and then
Tomorrow Biafra, kill Awusa and Yoruba baboon, No Election, No Referendum, Support Trump, Igbos are Jews, Middle belt is Biafra, support Shiites, Support Orji Kalu And you wake up next tomorrow and then.

Next tomorrow, Befriends FFK, Befriends Sowore, and who knows he may even befriend Tinubu or Buhari he ask you guys to hate.
What does these tell you? It shows you a common trait of a typical politicians. Until we stop allowing charlatans use our sympathy for Biafra hoodwink us, we'll never have an headway politically. IPOB members are already doomed, but please don't drag Ndigbo into that mission.

horsepower101:


And what exactly is your point? I still don’t understand how that means we must have a Biafra that includes the south south (non igbos)?

The point here is very simple, SS cannot go on with one Nigeria once we leave.

This people beat us to the gun and wanted exit from Nigeria whilst we were busy romancing the North.

It is either they get Niger Delta Republic or they provide Nigeria with an avenue to blockade Igbo country.

U know wat the last blockade cost Ndiigbo in Human capital?