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Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Khaleell001(m): 9:53pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
uninspired07: That is why I don't take anyone serious who talks about child limitation or family planning as it were because these people are so myopic that they forget God gives and take. You are planning life and you forget anything, anytime can happen under the will of the one who created life Do you remember the woman whose Children were lost in the Sosoliso air clash in 2003 (I guess). She was weeping so badly that she said if there was any way she could have babies again. Imagine a woman with three kids in one the best schools in Abuja oh. This is why I don't personally give a damn about whether economy is bad or good. Have as much children you and be responsible for them. And we forget that not everyone will be a graduate. Some will be good drivers, good businessmen and some will be good farmers. And you don't know which will benefit you or forsake you. Just be a good,caring father that's all People should stop basing every success in life on education. Dangote and Adenuga are not the most schooled yet they are making waves. Even the late Alhaji Inu Umoru from Edo state the Co owner of Setraco construction company was not a graduate. Life is so complex for one to see it from one lenses. I know of many people who struggled initially with many children, but he was responsible and made sure they all did something with their lives and today this parents are being inundated with allsoet of gift everytime to the extent they now give out these goodies. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Kirinwa: 9:53pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
tempusfugit: Define difficult? Do you think I will birth children I can't cater for? |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by tempusfugit: 9:57pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Indirectly you just confirm what this post is about!!! Kirinwa: 1 Like |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Obi1kenobi(m): 9:57pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Litmus: 1) This is a false claim. Westerners complain about 3rd world birthrates in general: not just Africa. 2) Those Asian countries show positive trends. Bangladesh's population growth rate is just 1% per annum while Nigeria's is almost 3%. Their life expectancies are high, birth rates are comparatively low. Subsaharan Africa by contrast show very negative trends with exploding populations that shows no signs of abating. It worries Western countries cos it makes us economic basket cases and when life becomes too hard for many Africans, they start looking for how to cross the Mediterranean into Europe. 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by delawal: 9:58pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
one aboki wey dey sleep for my compound. he dey sleep outside . he hawks items . he was telling me DT he wants to marry anoda wife . d one he dn marry dn born for am o. I was just looking at him. me with all d millions in my account still dey fear for two kids . d thing be say if u go north u go see poverty everywhere. their lifestyle will keep DT region in abject poverty for the next century 2 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Obi1kenobi(m): 10:04pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Khaleell001: Mr man, it has nothing to do with God. It is African backwardness and ignorance that makes us breed like rats. Children are still seen as indication of virility in men. Women are still treated as baby machines and valued by their childbearing capacity rather than their intellectual output. This is why Subsaharan Africa is by far the least productive, most backward region in the world. There is a strong correlation between poverty and low education and breeding rates. Our cultural failures and unproductivity is the reason Africans have more time than anyone else in the world to breed. 7 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Litmus: 10:05pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
tempusfugit: With all due respect, I understand the politics of population control - possibly more than you do. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by tempusfugit: 10:06pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Very good!! Litmus: |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by NiCurious: 10:14pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
uninspired07: Why is it funny, and why do you choose to pass, after all this talk of keeping to only a 2 or 3 kids? Seriously. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Khaleell001(m): 10:21pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
johnkey: which one be this now. Very shallow and childish mentality.. Was anyone born rich. life is beyond your materialistic reasoning. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by thunderbabs: 10:37pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
uninspired07: It's high time men got a family planning method for themselves instead of administering it on women/wives. Don't you think? Pour all the akamu there, you have your peace of mind 2 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by HazzanTazzan(m): 10:40pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
NiCurious: I'd stick to family planning and aborting if it fails at any point ... Why remove the feature totally? What if the need arises in future in case of unforseen havoc? 1 Like |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by gforce5: 10:45pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
OP, why are you surprised? The following factors are the reason for this nonsense: poverty, illiteracy, culture and religion. These four factors are the reason why Nigerians tend to have more children than they can cater for. Let's look at them. Poverty: Most Nigerians (especially the lower class) believe that the more children you have, the more likely you will have a breadwinner among them who will wipe out the family's poverty(yeah right). Illiteracy: Illiteracy breeds ignorance. When you are not educated, you will not understand the consequences of having more children than you can cater for. Culture: Society tends to look down on women who can only birth to girls. The desire for a "male heir" is so great many couples keep trying to have a boy until they succeed damning the consequences of such reckless action. Religion: The belief that "God will provide" has given many Nigerians the license to act irresponsibly when it comes to family planning. Most of them do not believe in family planning due to religious doctrine. They believe that God will solve all their problems with the snap of a finger. These factors sum up the mindset of the average Nigerian when it comes to marriage and children. Just look at the commentators. They are already justifying such ratchet behavior on grounds of one of the above factors. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by NiCurious: 10:47pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
HazzanTazzan: Thank you for your explanation. If that is what works best for you, use it. Let's hope it does, indeed, work. The unforeseen havoc you refer to...there are a lot of ifs, ands, and buts I can imagine, but discussing that would be a long side-journey on someone else's thread. ![]() |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Khaleell001(m): 10:50pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Obi1kenobi: Your argument is still one sided. If population was a bane rather than a boon China will not be bulldozing it's way past countries with lesser population the way it's doing. And you know how they implementatend their one child policy only to later rescind that decision. Nigeria's problem has not to do with is population bit it's policies and creating the enabling environment. Even countries that were into having less population are now paying couples to give birth to more kids because they now see the advantage in it. Japan an advanced nation is looking deeply into this and I think may have started or have already started encouraging its citizens to procreate more based on the skewed population ratio between the old and the young. And again, who is talking about women's education or virility as it were. Even at that, it is just one or two metrics out of many metrics that determine the over all out put of a country humans and natural resources. All in all, poverty is not really defined by the number of children one has,but how he manages and he is able to enhance his resources within his reach. The crux of the matter is, if you like have no children, if you like have only one,it does not guarantee that you would be better than those with more. We have too many life lessons to speak from and stop seeing life based on statistics and books alone there is more to it than taking meets the eye. BOTTOM LINE : Life is a competition and not everything is assured. 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Raalsalghul: 10:51pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
James39:Typical backward black man mentality ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Origin(f): 10:54pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Have as many children as you can have a meaningful impact in their lives. 1 Like |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Raalsalghul: 10:58pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
razible5384:I'm telling you. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by HazzanTazzan(m): 11:02pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
NiCurious: Vasectomy is an irreversible step and I can get you no sane human will consider that unless in medically critical condition that only vasectomy can solve... So let's be truthful here, 99.99% will say NO to vasectomy just because they want to avoid more children |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by HazzanTazzan(m): 11:07pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Khaleell001: You have made no single sense... The post is weighing poverty effect on lives of children you bring into this world... How can you live on a 100k salary, paying rent, and have no to 4 kids ? So you have a plan on educating them? Giving them a moderately good life on Your 100k salary which you also pay rent from ? Well done 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Raalsalghul: 11:10pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
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Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Raalsalghul: 11:13pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
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Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Toneyo(m): 11:34pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
1Sharon: Family planning failed me twice. I mean two different methods failed. Contraceptive pills gives my wife lots of side effects. I have to consider her too. She is human. 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by 1Sharon(f): 11:37pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Toneyo: This is a nonsense excuse I always hear from black people. Twice? Contraception if used effectively are 99% effective. If they were sooo bad, they'd be recalled. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Gerrard59(m): 11:38pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Litmus: This is because these countries have a higher economic growth than Nigeria or most African countries. Indonesia has a trillion dollar economy something that no African country possesses. Which means those countries have more value than Nigeria and, rightly so. Moreover, if you research further, the birth rate of Bangladesh is actually reducing. Other than Pakistan, the rest are reducing and because Pakistan's birth rates are increasing does not mean Nigeria's rates should do same. @Obi1kenobi: Although, we have disagreed on other topics, but you did real justice to this by reeling out facts esp on the aspect of "Brazil having a higher birth rate than Nigeria". Thanks for that. @OP: I wrote extensively on the same topic more than three years ago (https://www.nairaland.com/3450586/poor-un-intelligent-people-should-not) and NLders chewed me raw and because of that I rarely comment on demographic issues bedevilling Nigeria as I have done my part at making people aware of the dangers of uncontrolled birth rates. However, I decided to comment after reading the entire thread and like I said, you have done your part of making people aware just I did and based on the comments, you can see that some persons are still bent on having children just because their parents had same number. These persons base their argument on ridiculous factors such as "God will provide", "Go ye into the world and multiply", "contraception is a sin" and the one which got me startled "wait until you are married". The last pointless point makes no sense as there are topics and concepts which any discerning individual can understand even without practicing them. I don't need to be married or a father to know that having lots children without resources to take care of them adequately is wrong and dangerous. Right from a very young age, I knew that uncontrolled fecundity is inimical to one's success esp if in a country like Nigeria where government's support/social services is/are non-existent. In fact, I had the belief of maximum of two kids is the best until I went to serve in a secondary school which reinforced my belief that two children is the best because I could not fathom why parents will deliberately bring forth children to conditions worse than theirs. I have read several publications on demographics in the world, got tutored by one of the best economics teachers and I don't need to need to be married or a parent before I know that procreating children one cannot take care is dangerous. It is akin to saying that the best professors of entrepreneurship at some of the best business school aren't qualified to teach entrepreneurship because they aren't entrepreneurs. Regarding the talk about having a wife that will not agree to a man's plan of how many children they should have, well, it is why courtship is available. Meanwhile, I have met females who dread having more than two kids. One even corroborated my belief of having the first child after two years into the marriage and not the current "marry today, born tomorrow" culture we have around. So that does not hold, as the last thing a man should do is marrying a woman who believes because children are a blessing from God or are beautiful, then she should procreate anyhow even when she won't be the one saddled with the bulk of the responsibilities at taking care of them. Such ladies if ever married to, then the man should undergo a vasectomy and let's see where such "beautiful children" will come from. Although, as a continent, we have an advantage with our ever growing population but without the right leadership, it will be useless and there would be strong restrictions at accepting us because we (the vast majority) constitute a danger to most societies. I don't know when as a continent, we will have the right leadership but after I read this publication (https://www.hoover.org/research/africa-2050-demographic-truth-and-consequences), then na wahala we get. Some sh!thole countries like Niger, Mauritania, Mali, DRC etc have FAST growing population in a stark absence of a functioning society. Lastly, those who desire to born anyhow should do so and vice versa. Only that the former group should not come asking for assistance from the latter when things go awry because 8/10, they will go awry. It is the norm not the exception that households with limited income but more mouths to feed have an issue ensuring their kids are well taken care than the opposite. Folks who desire to procreate the number of children they can take care should find ways to seclude themselves either by restricting visitors, emigrating etc. The last thing one should do is being responsible for someone's irresponsibility. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Nuliberry: 12:02am On Dec 30, 2019 |
uninspired07: Easier said!!! Abortion? On whose body? Hmm, say not what u don't wish for please. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by NiCurious: 12:04am On Dec 30, 2019 |
HazzanTazzan: Ah, so they lack the courage of their convictions... ![]() I will leave you and this issue alone now. Peace and good night. |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Gerrard59(m): 12:13am On Dec 30, 2019 |
[quote author=Khaleell001 post=85331516][/quote] If population was a bane rather than a boon China will not be bulldozing it's way past countries with lesser population the way it's doing. This is not true. China unlike India is being able to bulldoze her way economically partly due to her one-child policy as resources which would have been used to cater for extra 300 - 400 million mouths are used for the current population. The major reason China changed her one child policy is due to the female infanticide parents practice because they want a male child and this ensured a distorted population arose. To balance it, the government decided to change it and even at that, current Chinese parents aren't interested in procreating more than one due to rising costs and the pollution crisis China faces. Then again, you forgot to factor in the kind of leadership China has vs her poorer counterparts. You cannot compare the vision and focus minded leaders China has to India or Bangladesh. Nigeria's problem has not to do with is population bit it's policies and creating the enabling environment. First, part of Nigeria's problem is that there are too many mouths to feed with limited resources and even the major resource is threatened by innovative technologies and everyone having same resource. If the enabling environment is created and true federalism enacted, then, some people in Nigeria will die of hunger with the kind of leadership the country has. Instead of being reliant of having good leadership one day, how about individuals take their destiny into their hands by having the kids they can take care of? Regarding Japan, it is not just the population numbers one is looking at but also the quality. So because Japan needs people, you think Nigeria needs same? Does Nigeria have a similar government like Japan? Infrastructure? Wealth? Economy? Even with the declining population, she has the third largest economy in the world while Nigeria, who you want Japan to mimic or think she is mimicking is number one on the list of countries suffering from multidimensional poverty. Japan, Singapore, South Korea etc can afford to increase their populations at their current state not SSA countries that depend on foreign aid for their budget to balance or borrow from rich countries. All in all, poverty is not really defined by the number of children one has, but how he manages and he is able to enhance his resources within his reach. And how well has Nigeria been able to manage her resources and the population she has? Is not hypocritical that you expect a family that has five mouths to feed on an income of 100K to be a great manager than the one with two mouths to feed on the same income? It is the norm that countries with low populations but greater resources manage theirs better than those with high population but limited income. So your managerial skills is an exception world over. UAE vs Nigeria, Japan vs Indonesia, Turkey vs Bangladesh etc. BOTTOM LINE: Life is a competition and not everything is assured. If you agree that life is a competition, then you would know that preparation is important in winning that competition and to prepare adequately, one needs adequate resources to cater for her contingents. Which is why rich countries tend to win more Olympic gold medals than poor countries. Remember, life is a competition. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by 1Sharon(f): 12:13am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Litmus: Cos african population is poorer |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by Gerrard59(m): 12:15am On Dec 30, 2019 |
1Sharon: Not true. Asia is more populated than Africa but Asian countries are richer while African nations are poorer and no one talks to a rich person anyhow. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by armyofone(m): 12:22am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Who is going to do the family planning? Tell average Africans man about vasectomy and they act like the procedure cut off the whole pen..is. zed7: |
Re: How Do Average Nigerian Couples Have More Than 2 Children? by 1Sharon(f): 12:26am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Gerrard59: Ok cheers, have edited. I read your lengthy post btw. Have you noticed blacks have issues with using contraception? It's like this with blks around the world |
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