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Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 10:33pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
I have heard the argument that Nigerian democracy should be similar to American democracy. Meaning that if you live (or were born) in a state you should be able to run for elective office even though your tribe is not from that state. While this sounds good in theory, in reality it is a very dangerous idea. This might work in America but not in Nigeria. If you live in a state and you are not an indigene or member of the state's tribe you should respect yourself and not run for elective office. Otherwise, it will lead to resentment against nomadic tribes who are far more likely to be found outside their states of indigene than other tribes. Tribal co-existence of Nigeria is paramount to the fate of this country. Those that seek to impose European/American ideals on Nigeria will inevitably drive this shaky union off the proverbial cliff. The entire non-Fulani parts of the country rejected the suggestions of cattle colonies for Fulanis. Because people do not like the idea of non-indigenes coming into their lands and taking over. In some parts of the country, even if you are a member of the tribe, you can't even run for political office if you are not from that particular state. So its clear how Nigeria is to be structured based on this reality. Otherwise, the consequences would be dire. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by TooMuchStuff: 10:42pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
Who wants the country to even exist sef? We are not meant to be One Nigeria forever. Nigeria has grown beyond its usefulness. 9 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by horsepower101: 10:43pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: At the bolded A shaky union and a shaky relationship have one solution in common. They need to break up. Any union or relationship that is not built on solid foundation will eventually end no matter how much or how hard you try. The sooner we accept this glaring fact, the better for us and our future generations. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 10:52pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
TooMuchStuff: And what do you hope to replace Nigeria with? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 10:54pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
horsepower101: The breakup could lead to worse situation than what we have presently. Some of the fragments of breakup would be worse than South Sudan. I believe that some form of restructuring is in order. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by TooMuchStuff: 11:03pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: Split the cesspit. Arewastan..... for Sharia loving Almajiri Middlebelt......For coolheaded people Biafra. ......For African Giants Oodua For Intellectuals and Corporates 7 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 11:15pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
TooMuchStuff: These could lead to endless wars and conflicts. In fact, this prescription could turn into another Syria. The best solution is to maintain what we have so far and clearly define terms by restructuring. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Nobody: 11:46pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
Tribal democracy will work in Nigeria all we need is a few dedicated mad people to fight for it So we can accept Christianity, Education, Technology and Democracy without it crushing us, It's not the first time we accepted American ideals and they worked for us so far Op you are suggesting restructuring yet opposing it at the same time 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 11:55pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
LordVoldermort:Yes. Tribal democracy is what we have so far and it is our best bet since we are a nation of tribes. LordVoldermort:America is not a pure democracy either. In America some votes are more valuable than others. Trump lost the popular vote (pure democracy) but won the election because of electoral college (a vote in middle America is more valuable than a vote in coastal America). LordVoldermort:No where did I oppose restructuring in my post. Check again. The restructuring I would suggest will be to legally clarify our tribal democratic system and create tribal/quasi-tribal regions with the stipulation that each region has immigration controls of its borders. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Nobody: 11:58pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
YungMillionaire:Lol by tribal democracy I meant people allowed to contest in different regions, funny doublespeak |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 12:01am On Dec 31, 2019 |
LordVoldermort: That's the opposite of tribal democracy. Why do you think this is the way forward for Nigeria? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by DMerciful(m): 12:09am On Dec 31, 2019 |
So the offspring of an Igbo man and a Yoruba woman cannot contest either in SE or SW? You're creating far more problems. If an Igbo man residing in lagos is popular enough to win, so be it likewise a yoruba man in the East. But you cant stop people from contesting, nowhere in the world where democracy is practice stop people! YungMillionaire: 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Nobody: 12:12am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire:I think it counters tribalism I know it won't get rid of it but imagine if the Blacks in America just decided to never do something about segregation it just wouldn't get better, we need Nigerians to be more United good for our economy and military and tribal democracy prevents it to a degree There would surely be stubborn people who would surely fight to the death against it, these people basically fight against everything new until it becomes normalized and they love dreaming about the good ol days In summary I think it's time Nigeria experimented a little it's time we try something new, but we need the mad people first |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 12:13am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: You are pitifully wrong bro. Nigeria does not need to exist. It needs unconditional disintegration. 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 12:35am On Dec 31, 2019 |
LordVoldermort: Interesting. Personally I see it differently. Corruption, not tribalism, is Nigeria's main problem. What you are proposing will exacerbate tribalism not prevent it. Here is how. Nigerian tribes who are not very nomadic in nature (and or who do not have the population) would resent someone from another tribe representing them since they do not have the numbers to do that in the rep's region. Human beings can tolerate most things but one thing that is sure to create enmity is a sense of unfairness. This approach would hand over even more country of over to the 3 major tribes who have the population to influence politics outside their region. This would lead to more suspicion and increase tribal conflicts. Pure democracy is rare. America (the example most people like to use) is not a pure democracy. In America the votes in the middle of the country (which is largely white) are effectively more valuable than those in the coastal areas (which are more diverse). This is why Trump (not Hillary Clinton) is president. My proposal of a tribal democracy would ensure that each state is only represented by an indigene or tribal member. This would remove the sense of unfairness that would surely be the case if we go towards your proposal. In addition, it will lead to mutual respect among the tribes and encourage greater unity in the country. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 12:36am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: Defend your opinion. And what would you replace the current Nigeria with? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Nobody: 12:46am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire:Pure democracy is not rare you didn't mention countries like Norway or Finland Your proposal of tribal politics is already what Nigeria is using, your not proposing anything new and it never encouraged greater unity You said people won't like a non indigene running in their state but people's opinion change easily, someone in 2007 would never believe Buhari could be president I think any non indigene who could be popular enough to win shouldn't be discouraged, I think people who are born in states should be allowed to contest there It's not as if ghosts are voting for them |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 1:05am On Dec 31, 2019 |
LordVoldermort:But you used America as your example. Nigeria is not Norway. How many tribes are in Norway?. The system of government has to fit the reality on ground. Otherwise, complete disintegration will become inevitable. LordVoldermort:Yes, we practice tribal democracy but its actually not the law. Our practice of tribal democracy is the reason why we are as united as we are today. If you consider the number of tribes in this country, the fact that we have even this level of unity is a miracle. Currently our tribal democratic system is been threatened by tribal suspicions (e.g. the strong opposition to cattle colonies for Fulanis, the electoral fracas in Lagos during the last election etc.). We must not allow this suspicions to generate into tribal conflicts. Now, I propose restructuring should include the encoding of our tribal democratic system into law. LordVoldermort:This is not the same thing. Having Buhari as president is not the same thing as having a Fulani governor of Abia state bringing Fulani cattle colony to Abia because he is governor. LordVoldermort:I disagree. And I have comprehensively explained my reasons. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 1:21am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: If given the opportunity, I shall divide Nigeria into nation states where cultural affinity shall remain the foundation of unity. I have no business in a union such as Nigeria as a country. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 1:22am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: Please expatiate on the bolded. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 1:22am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: which is stronger - cultural affinity or tribal affinity? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 1:25am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: Basically, the stealing of government funds is an inter-tribal affair. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 1:28am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: Similarity in culture sometimes transverses tribal boundaries. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 1:33am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: This is the bane of African intellectualism. Corruption is NOT limited to embezzlement of public funds. There are more severe aspect of corruption than stealing of public fund. A person steal a fund and state can recover from it in a given time. However there are aspects of corruption that engender or incorporate or perpetuate the stealing of public fund. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Nobody: 1:38am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire:I personally believe tribe itself is man made, tribe will exist where people have need for it, before Nigeria gained independence tribe wasn't such a big deal same goes in South Sudan,look at North Korea and South Korea same culture same heritage yet they found one stupid reason to go to war, there isn't much tribalism in Norway because they practice pure democracy hence they don't need it *modified I'm not saying Norway is perfect YungMillionaire: These suspicions have always been in Nigeria and inspite of regionalism they were still there and might always be there, when your scared of darkness it is advisable not to avoid darkness but to go into it and realize there's nothing to be scared of, this is why people need non indigene leaders to reduce their anxiety YungMillionaire: Lol no fulani governor of abia would ever try to bring in cattle colony he might even do the opposite, remember it's democracy so he can only do what those who voted for him wants him to do. Goodnight |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by alfasexy: 1:47am On Dec 31, 2019 |
The name "Nigeria" is an insult to all of us. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 1:51am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: Never said it was limited to that. But you do agree stealing funds meant for roads and other infrastructure is corruption right? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 1:53am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: Can you give a Nigerian example? |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by amuwo1980: 1:59am On Dec 31, 2019 |
If u cared to reflect more and dive deeper you wud have come to the valid conclusion that what we need is a complete dissolution of the contraption called Nigeria, it is the only way to improve the lives of the people in that geography 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by Dedetwo(m): 2:12am On Dec 31, 2019 |
YungMillionaire: When you have an airhead as the minister of works because he/she is a crony, he/she will embezzle the fund, bring fellow cronies and destroy the ministry to perpetuate what became of Nigeria today. |
Re: Nigeria Can Only Exist Peacefully As A Tribal Democracy. by YungMillionaire: 2:15am On Dec 31, 2019 |
Dedetwo: I will take that as a YES. Corruption is Nigeria's biggest problem. 1 Like |
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