Can God be Seen?

Here are some Bible verses that states people seeing God "face to face''. Some Christians say God appeared as humans, fire, angels or light but this is usually stated.

Enilove quoted this Bible verse that says:
Gen 18:1-3
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...

Here Abraham saw the LORD and then he saw the lord(angels).

Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Seeing God face to face should be different from seeing a human (posing as God) face to face.

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

Exodus 33:11
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.

There's nothing here to suggest Moses and others saw a human, fire, light or an angel posing as God.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Surah 6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.

Would you rather worship the God of the Bible who is finite enough to be seen by a man or would you worship a God that is so infinite that that He cannot be perceived by any human being due to our limited senses? This is the Only True God; the God who revealed the Glorious Quran.

NB: fortran12, joytothewise and other Christians do not derail this thread to another topic! If you can't explain the topic here just keep mute!

Both books are man made and both gods, man made fictions. Your Allah and their Yahweh are fictions. No amount of sophistry will change that.

LordReed:
Both books are man made and both gods, man made fictions. Your Allah and their Yahweh are fictions. No amount of sophistry will change that.

This is illogical and not related to the discuss!

AntiChristian:


This is illogical and not related to the discuss!

Very related. Both gods cannot be seen because they are both fictional.

Your claim of your god being infinite is the illogical claim. For what need does an infinite being have for the worship of finite beings? How does your bowing 5 times a day satisfy any need an infinite being has?

AntiChristian:
Can God be Seen?


Would you rather worship the God of the Bible who is finite enough to be seen by a man or would you worship a God that is so infinite that that He cannot be perceived by any human being due to our limited senses? This is the Only True God; the God who revealed the Glorious Quran.
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Would you rather worship a God
1. Who is confined to the limitation of the spiritual realm AND who cannot relate to humans (and His physical creations) who are outside the spiritual realm?
2. Who is limited in language to just Arabic (just one out of the hundreds of thousands of languages in the world)?
3. Who cannot speak audibly or even visually for the sake of humans?

Indeed, the God of Abraham is a Spirit: however, He has the power to make himself visible to humans in ANY FORM He chooses!

If He appears to humans as LIGHT, it doesn't mean God is Light!
If He appears to humans as ANGEL, it doesn't mean God is an angel!
If He appears to humans as MAN, it doesn't mean God is a Man!
If He appears to humans as FIRE, it doesn't mean God is Fire!

John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

LordReed:


Very related. Both gods cannot be seen because they are both fictional.

Your claim of your god being infinite is the illogical claim. For what need does an infinite being have for the worship of finite beings? How does your bowing 5 times a day satisfy any need an infinite being has?

Stop derailing the thread. Obviously this thread is not for you!

shadeyinka:

Would you rather worship a God
1. Who is confined to the limitation of the spiritual realm AND who cannot relate to humans (and His physical creations) who are outside the spiritual realm?
2. Who is limited in language to just Arabic (just one out of the hundreds of thousands of languages in the world)?
3. Who cannot speak audibly or even visually for the sake of humans?

Indeed, the God of Abraham is a Spirit: however, He has the power to make himself visible to humans in ANY FORM He chooses!

If He appears to humans as LIGHT, it doesn't mean God is Light!
If He appears to humans as ANGEL, it doesn't mean God is an angel!
If He appears to humans as MAN, it doesn't mean God is a Man!
If He appears to humans as FIRE, it doesn't mean God is Fire!

John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

You still haven't explained the contradictions! God can't be seen but God was seen face to face!

How do you wrap around this? Till you can will I respond to your Questions.

AntiChristian:


Stop derailing the thread. Obviously this thread is not for you!

The thread is in a public forum so it is meant to be commented on. You don't get to choose who will respond.

Your fictional god cannot be seen because it is fictional, you are just making up excuses to explain that simple fact.

LordReed:


The thread is in a public forum so it is meant to be commented on. You don't get to choose who will respond.

Your fictional god cannot be seen because it is fictional, you are just making up excuses to explain that simple fact.

OK

AntiChristian:


You still haven't explained the contradictions! God can't be seen but God was seen face to face!

How do you wrap around this? Till you can will I respond to your Questions.

Check my post, you have been well answered!

Buhari put on Santa Claus outfit and visited children in a particular orphanage for the purpose of giving them happiness and gifts. Some peoples mentality is so low as to conclude that Buhari is now Santa Claus and so cannot be the President of Nigeria and the commander in Chief of the Nigeria Army!!! SMH

Come to think of it: Can an incantation to invoke Ogun or Sango or Sanpona be said in any other language save Yoruba?
No!
You know the reason!?
They can't understand any other language apart from Yoruba: hence to worship them or to invoke them or to pray to them require the use of the language they are accustomed to.

It seems to me your esteemed is in the same class!

shadeyinka:

Check my post, you have been well answered!

Buhari put on Santa Claus outfit and visited children in a particular orphanage for the purpose of giving them happiness and gifts. Some peoples mentality is so low as to conclude that Buhari is now Santa Claus and so cannot be the President of Nigeria and the commander in Chief of the Nigeria Army!!! SMH

Come to think of it: Can an incantation to invoke Ogun or Sango or Sanpona be said in any other language save Yoruba?
No!
You know the reason!?
They can't understand any other language apart from Yoruba: hence to worship them or to invoke them or to pray to them require the use of the language they are accustomed to.

It seems to me your esteemed is in the same class!

Stop talking like Jesus deceiving people with parables:

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Here are the Bible verses again!

Abraham saw the LORD (Jehovah Yahweh)
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...


Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Your theory about light, Buhari, etc does not carry weight at all. There was no mention of light, fire, man or angel in the verses. Moreover, God with capital G and LORD/Lord is not used for angels!

And what does "face to face" mean?

AntiChristian:


Stop talking like Jesus deceiving people with parables:


Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Here are the Bible verses again!

Abraham saw the LORD (Jehovah Yahweh)
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...


Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Your theory about light, Buhari, etc does not carry weight at all. There was no mention of light, fire, man or angel in the verses. Moreover, God with capital G and LORD/Lord is not used for angels!

And what does "face to face" mean?

The highlight obviously show the kind of Muslim you are! I have no further comment on this

I have answered you!
But because your IQ is deliberately LOW, I will break it down for you
1. God is a spirit!
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
2. A spirit is INVISIBLE to the physical eyes. No one can see a spirit
3. A person can only see a physical manifestation of a Spirit (but a spirit is not visible)
i. Is Jubril a spirit or physical being?
ii. How come Jubril was able to grab Mohammed (by the neck ) and command "IQRA"?

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read,"
96:15
If by the permission of Allah, an angel can be made visible (for the sake of man), your mighty wisdom conclude so wisely that the creator of the heavens and the earth is LIMITED in the sphere of Existence He can manifest Himself in!!??


I am also glad you concur with the fact that the one you esteemed so much is a tribal God who understands only one language.

He wasnt expecting shadeyinka to come at him with such flurries of lethal jabs like that and to then culminate them all with a TKO, lol

MuttleyLaff:
He wasnt expecting shadeyinka to come at him with such flurries of lethal jabs like that and to then culminate them all with a TKO, lol

Hello dear!
He doesn't know that he can't attack Christianity without destroying the very foundations of Islam.

Wish you the best of the coming year

shadeyinka:

The highlight obviously show the kind of Muslim you are! I have no further comment on this

I have answered you!
But because your IQ is deliberately LOW, I will break it down for you
1. God is a spirit!
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
2. A spirit is INVISIBLE to the physical eyes. No one can see a spirit
3. A person can only see a physical manifestation of a Spirit (but a spirit is not visible)
i. Is Jubril a spirit or physical being?
ii. How come Jubril was able to grab Mohammed (by the neck ) and command "IQRA"?

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read,"
96:15
If by the permission of Allah, an angel can be made visible (for the sake of man), your mighty wisdom conclude so wisely that the creator of the heavens and the earth is LIMITED in the sphere of Existence He can manifest Himself in!!??


I am also glad you concur with the fact that the one you esteemed so much is a tribal God who understands only one language.

What does face to face mean? Do Moses and Jacob meant they saw God in human form as seeing God face to face?

If they saw God in human form they won't mention seeing face to face!

"Face to face" is the word.

AntiChristian:


What does face to face mean? Do Moses and Jacob meant they saw God in human form as seeing God face to face?

If they saw God in human form they won't mention seeing face to face!

"Face to face" is the word.

I have closed my case since you seem to lack the ability to comprehend when your arguments begin to sound like a repetition of kindergarten rhyme with no iota of depth!

AntiChristian:

What does face to face mean? Do Moses and Jacob meant they saw God in human form as seeing God face to face?
If they saw God in human form they won't mention seeing face to face!
"Face to face" is the word.

Hmmmmmmmmm, what a pity!

FACE TO FACE!

You know you could have made a lot of sense if any prophet of God came from the lineage of Ishmael! God specifically said he will establish his lasting covenant with the race of Abraham through his second son Isaac {Genesis 17:18-21} God's angel even said Ishmael and his descendants will become terrorists! Genesis 16:11-12

So God picked all his messengers from the raise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who knew him FACE TO FACE!

Nairalanders can confidently say they've seen AntiChristian FACE TO FACE with the attitude you've put up so far!

Face to face means you knew someone in and out, you can say a lot about the person even in his/her absence.

When i asked you questions regarding how Muhammad got married, his age when he got married, the wife's age, how many children, how many survived him.

You shamelessly said "it's none of your business" but you've been PAINTING Jesus that you've NEVER seen FACE TO FACE based on what you think you know about him after rashly reading through the story documented in the Bible!

Can you now grasp what God's word meant by the phrase FACE TO FACE?

Grow up my Baby Muslim friend!

Maximus69:

Hmmmmmmmmm, what a pity!

FACE TO FACE!

You know you could have made a lot of sense if any prophet of God came from the lineage of Ishmael! God specifically said he will establish his lasting covenant with the race of Abraham through his second son Isaac {Genesis 17:18-21} God's angel even said Ishmael and his descendants will become terrorists! Genesis 16:11-12

So God picked all his messengers from the raise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who knew him FACE TO FACE!

Nairalanders can confidently say they've seen AntiChristian FACE TO FACE with the attitude you've put up so far!

Face to face means you knew someone in and out, you can say a lot about the person even in his/her absence.

When i asked you questions regarding how Muhammad got married, his age when he got married, the wife's age, how many children, how many survived him.

You shamelessly said "it's none of your business" but you've been PAINTING Jesus that you've NEVER seen FACE TO FACE based on what you think you know about him after rashly reading through the story documented in the Bible!

Can you now grasp what God's word meant by the phrase FACE TO FACE?

Grow up my Baby Muslim friend!

OK bro JW, you are noticed with your off points as usual. Take care.

shadeyinka:

I have closed my case since you seem to lack the ability to comprehend when your arguments begin to sound like a repetition of kindergarten rhyme with no iota of depth!

Close it and leave it open to others!

AntiChristian:


OK bro JW, you are noticed with your off points as usual. Take care.

You're right on point Sir!

AntiChristian:
Can God be Seen?

Enilove quoted this Bible verse that says:
Gen 18:1-3
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...

And he (enilove) says Abraham met Jesus.

Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Surah 6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.

Would you rather worship the God of the Bible who is finite enough to be seen by a man or would you worship a God that is so infinite that that He cannot be perceived by any human being due to our limited senses? This is the Only True God; the God who revealed the Glorious Quran.

NB: fortran12, joytothewise and other Christians do not derail this thread to another topic! If you can't explain the topic here just keep mute!

GOD(Creator of creation) can not be seen, touched but can be felt but can manifest to people through his Son Jesus Christ or can send angels who can disguise themselves

AntiChristian:
Can God be Seen?

Enilove quoted this Bible verse that says:
Gen 18:1-3
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...

And he (enilove) says Abraham met Jesus.

Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Surah 6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.

Would you rather worship the God of the Bible who is finite enough to be seen by a man or would you worship a God that is so infinite that that He cannot be perceived by any human being due to our limited senses? This is the Only True God; the God who revealed the Glorious Quran.

NB: fortran12, joytothewise and other Christians do not derail this thread to another topic! If you can't explain the topic here just keep mute!

if your Allah is magnificent then why are they killing for him or her? because all your sharia laws are just cruel to mankind , if I abuse your Allah , instead the Allah to come and kill me , you are going be the one to chop off my head why can't you leave the job for allah to do?apostasy has been tools the Islam used to keep its slaves at bay, superstitions are the key islam is using enslave its matured minds to be slaves and terrors are the shackle Islam is using to intimidate its slave to keep them from freedom. islam is a cancer not the Muslims.

jcross19:
if your Allah is magnificent then why are they killing for him or her? because all your sharia laws are just cruel to mankind , if I abuse your Allah , instead the Allah to come and kill me , you are going be the one to chop off my head why can't you leave the job for allah to do?apostasy has been tools the Islam used to keep its slaves at bay, superstitions are the key islam is using enslave its matured minds to be slaves and terrors are the shackle Islam is using to intimidate its slave to keep them from freedom. islam is a cancer not the Muslims.

Off points as usual. Do you have anything to say to the OP? Only the usual rantings.

shadeyinka:



Come to think of it: Can an incantation to invoke Ogun or Sango or Sanpona be said in any other language save Yoruba?
No!
You know the reason!?
They can't understand any other language apart from Yoruba: hence to worship them or to invoke them or to pray to them require the use of the language they are accustomed to.

It seems to me your esteemed is in the same class!

Who told you these?

You guys should deal with your Jewish and Arabic Gods, you should stop dragging Yoruba Ancestral Gods into your delusion.

Yoruba Gods exist as Nature. It is different from your jewish god that lives outside nature.

Brazilians consult Orisha in their local language. It doesn't matter if you speak Yoruba or Tapa or Ikale, what matter is understanding the connection between you and orisha.

Viciheaka:

GOD(Creator of creation) can not be seen, touched but can be felt but can manifest to people through his Son Jesus Christ or can send angels who can disguise themselves

If I tell you I saw someone face to face will you believe I saw that person behind a mask or in a Santa gown?

Jacob saw God face to face!

FOLYKAZE:


Who told you these?

You guys should deal with your Jewish and Arabic Gods, you should stop dragging Yoruba Ancestral Gods into your delusion.

Yoruba Gods exist as Nature. It is different from your jewish god that lives outside nature.

Brazilians consult Orisha in their local language. It doesn't matter if you speak Yoruba or Tapa or Ikale, what matter is understanding the connection between you and orisha.

I wasn't slighting you FOLYKAZE even though I think I know a little of the Yoruba worship/incantation and It's divination to know that:
I have never ever seen any of the Odu IFA or any incantation translated into English language except for academic purpose and certainly not practical purpose. Please if you know of one example that is (divination or incantation), please I'm willing to learn.

This is an example below: all said in Yoruba (even though the IFA priest is most likely Brazilian)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7D1gjUmoTw

I just need an example in English, Spanish, Portuguese or French and I'll be satisfied NOT like the example below (which is a pseudo Yoruba language)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT9w5TiwM9k

AntiChristian:


Off points as usual. Do you have anything to say to the OP? Only the usual rantings.

if you are Yoruba Muslim and you are sounding like this meaning your intelligent is quite low and poor. now let me address the op now if king send his emissaries with the king staff what does it mean the king is there, when they want to address the emissaries they will address them as a king . now if the president sends his minister to represent him in one occasion they will address the representative like the president whatever the representative says there is the president talking .

jcross19:
if you are Yoruba Muslim and you are sounding like this meaning your intelligent is quite low and poor. now let me address the op now if king send his emissaries with the king staff what does it mean the king is there, when they want to address the emissaries they will address them as a king . now if the president sends his minister to represent him in one occasion they will address the representative like the president whatever the representative says there is the president talking .

If a representative is sent then that is not a face to face meeting!

shadeyinka:

I wasn't slighting you FOLY even though I think I know a little of the Yoruba worship/incantation and It's divination to know that:
I have never ever seen any of the Odu IFA or any incantation translated into English language except for academic purpose and certainly not practical purpose. Please if you know of one example that is (divination or incantation), please I'm willing to learn.

This is an example below: all said in Yoruba (even though the IFA priest is most likely Brazilian)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7D1gjUmoTw

I just need an example in English, Spanish, Portuguese or French and I'll be satisfied NOT like the example below (which is a pseudo Yoruba language)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT9w5TiwM9k

Ifa is a universal spiritual system, and as you mistakenly posited not really a Yoruba thing. It only seem to me that Orunmila found the most complex and advance system which encompasses all issues in physical and spiritual world. It is Ifa among the Yoruba people, Fa in vodon people, Kabballa to the Jew, Iching to Chinese, ilm al-raml to the Arabians.

Many of the Islamic scholars who practice ilm al-raml always inscribe Odu Ifa but they chant verses from the Quran which is mainly in Arabic language. Those Imam also practise Isese because ilm al-raml is an aspect of Orunmila Ifa system.


The beauty of Yoruba language is natural and can be easily altered when translated to other languages. Many of you Christians use the appellation of an Orisha for Jesus and Jehovah. Example is Ori which is a divinity convinced with Jehovah. Therefore, it is the best thing to do to relate with Yoruba spiritual system in Yoruba Language but Yoruba Language isn't the absolute tongue for consulting Ifa.

An Odu narrates about how Ifa speak Tapa even when Orunmila do not understand Tapa language. Will surely make my findings on the particular Odu.

Santeria is founded on Orisa system mixed with Christianity. In many cases, practitioner of this religion pray to Ogun (angel michael) in English and in the church. Therefore, whether they refer Ogun as Angel Michael, or Obaluaye as Saint Lazarus, it never changes the status of Ogun as the Deity of Iron and war. Calling Obaluaye Lazarus has not changed Obaluaye from been the God of infectious diseases. And note, lukumi language isn't Yoruba.

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Stop talking like Jesus deceiving people with parables:

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

If those people repent how will JESUS die for the sin of the world? Who will crucify Him when they all become His disciples? That is why He never prayed for Judas Iscariot because he and the others must help in fulfilling HIS ministry on earth.


Now I know why someone said you are mentally unstable, instead of you asking questions to be able to know better, you asking questions to detriment of your life, knowing fully well that you one of those people that Arabic incantations have been read into your ears at birth, no matter how see the truth you will go astray and be destroyed like a child of perdition

AntiChristian:


If a representative is sent then that is not a face to face meeting!

now that face to face is just figurative word. The same Bible no man see God and live .

jcross19:
now that face to face is just figurative word. The same Bible no man see God and live .

So what does face to face mean figuratively?