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Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 12:22am On Jan 02, 2020 |
Olu317: No, there is this man called Laji Abass.. He is a great researcher, just watch him. He confirms most of my findings too.. Just prepare your self to hear the truth and be humble. There are some things you have heard about Yoruba history that you may find difficult to throw away. Once again the best place to get history is the people involved in the history |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 7:13am On Jan 02, 2020 |
cbrass:There is no iota doubt that , Yoruba people's history and language are diverse and any one, such as historians, maven can posit what has been the laid down methodology to pursue research work to expose more information on certain hidden part of Yoruba ethnic group. But practically, not as you claim because you saw it on the YouTube and you expect me to accept information that I have seen good and erroneous definition in Yoruba dictionary of early 19th century? I don't agree. Beside, you seem not to understand my stance on the prerequisite to be adopted when such etymology of Yoruba names are been explored as expected by linguist that is vast in world language cum ancient ideograms and not historians, because, I obviously understood you. Although I respect your zeal on your desire to expose your views on Yoruba people's names and order of defied men and time of their existence in Yoruba land but I have deep knowledge on Linguistic studies, which is the chanel for my own research work yet to be released. So, I can categorically emphasis here that Yoruba names are descriptive through bilateral and trilteral roots. And what you posted didn't deal with root words before you posted your information.Therefore, tentatively, I hope Laji Abass's research work can stand the test of time. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by y3mi(m): 2:27pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Na wa OK! No be small thing. The content of this thread, just as hundred like it on this forum, is terribly uninformed and therefore misleading. I am not in the mood to start typing lengthy arguments to debunk many of the distortions stated here. Let me summon a historical daemon; macof s_b_gos cbrass:You shouldn't be dissapointed, you should be discomfitted! A true scholar who genuinely seeks to understand, and share by discuss an opinion about the protology of their ancestral history should know better than to stay clear off external sources whose view are generally bias and demeaning and set to out to debase the most ancient and surviving civilization of the human race: the cbrass:@bolded: Same people who for a long time coming have been and are still heavily influenced by the Judeo-Islamic cosmogony molded from Abrahamic mytheology and lecturers whose interpretations reeks of bias traced to their Islamic and Christian leanings. So I dare say Fvck 'em both. Ifá remains the only true source to learn, confirm, verify the authenticity of claims, stated or written by anyone. And only from the real Babalawos not from any of the many fake and religion affected ones who are inclined to dilute their explanations with mentioning of words, terms, places associated with Christianity and Islam just to appeal to their clients, students or pupils. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by macof(m): 4:36pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
cbrass: I have suspected this for a few years now but would still do some research on it to get some assurance for this theory. Or do you have some more information on this? Because Okanbi is not known in Ife but seems to be a popular name in Oyo |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 4:45pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Okanbi is a descriptive name (instead of the generally discussive name patterns of Yoruba) which means only one. "Only one" could refer to a single gender among siblings of a different gender, or an only child. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by macof(m): 4:52pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
TAO11: pawon You just sent some Binis to school with this 4 Likes |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 4:59pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Ogie sounds like Okin which is also like Akin, meaning king. Okin is peacock considered king of the birds. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 6:10pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
macof: Killing the distortionists among the Binis. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 6:20pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
nlPoster: I like this angle. It's eye-opening. I think I also need your genius insight for the older Edo ROYAL TITLE which came to be scrapped and replaced with "OBA" by Oranmiyan, namely: "OGISO" (from: "OGIE-ISO" meaning "KING from the SKY" ). In other words, how can the Edo word "ISO" possibly be interpreted as meaning "SKY" from the lenses of the Yoruba language?? Thanks much! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 6:26pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 6:34pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
TAO11: Thank you, your post was quite brilliant also. If you check the Yoruba word for sky, it might correlate with the Bini cognate. Modern Yoruba has sky as ofurufu but an older term possibly is awosanmo (awosonmo). A theoretical match. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 7:05pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
I thought I should share this interesting piece of historical information on the first time an Ooni of Ife will set foot 'outside' of his palace: It was in the year 1903 when the then Ooni of Ife, Oba Adelekan Olubuse 1, was invited to Lagos by the then Governor General of the Southern Protectorate, Sir William MacGregor. The Ooni was invited as a last resort measure to settle an important and fast escalating supremacy feud between certain Yoruba OBAs (I believe the Elepe and the Akarigbo --- I'm not 100% certain at the moment who and who it was) in the Lagos region. The issue had evaded several resolution attempts by the British Government representatives until the British Government thought it was time that the Ooni himself stepped in. Now, it must have been a really serious issue to warrant the Ooni to vacate his throne. No Ooni had done that before --- It was a pseudo-sacrilege. Many sacrifices were offered en-route Lagos and in the whole process of his vacating his revered and imperial throne. The British Government bore all the cost of the sacrifices. The Ooni quenched the duel as if it never happened, and as if no one ever attempted to solve the issue. The most interesting aspect of all these, for me, is as follows: As soon as the news reached all the kings in Southern Nigeria (from Warri, through Asaba, and down to the Yoruba interior --- including the Oba of Benin, the Alaafin of Oyo, and the Elékò) that the Ooni vacated his palace; they independently left their thrones and lived outside of their palace walls until the news reached them that the Ooni was back in Ife. As if they informed each other, they considered it sacrilegious to continue residing in their respective palaces while the Ooni had vacated his (although temporarily and for good cause). All these information is well documented in more details in the Government Gazette for the Colony of Lagos published on Saturday, February 28, 1903. Also attached below is a video interview of the 'yesterday' Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse II which speaks to the same issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDvDXkkXUMY&t=603s 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 7:21pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
TAO11: |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 7:36pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
‘Okin' is feminine in Yoruba's lexicon.The name represents peacock identity and birds with hairy tails,which makes them beautiful birds. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 8:03pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Oyo's dialect is Okanbi while Ile Ife and eastern Yoruba's call the name, Ikanbi or Ikan. This Ikan bi is in Ileife history.This man was a great warrior that did great exploit and he has a younger brother called Adagba. If in doubt, some people here can verify Ooni Adewusi panegyric.This man's body isn't in Ileife. Although he his a descendant of Oranmiyan. Oyo does not hold sway to Yoruba history with perversion, through Rev. Samuel Johnson or Bishop Ajayi Crowther because Ile ife is older and has more information than anywhere in Yoruba land.This land is where the wisest priests and kings with the oldest crown reside. And Apart from Ileife, Eastern Yoruba are older than Oyo. Do you people know Ikanbi doesn't have grave? If Oyo knows,then let Oyo reveal where his body is buried. The reality is that His head and body was buried somewhere in Yoruba land, where his descendants lived and some of them went forth again to other places. 1 Like |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 8:22pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Olu317: True! Also, I think nlPoster 's interpretation of the Edo "ISO" (meaning "SKY" ) through the Yoruba lens of "AWOSONMO" doesn't quite capture the sense of the word. And my reason for this is quite simple and straightforward ---- the Yoruba word "AWOSONMO" (or simply "SONMO" ) is a relatively recent loanword from the Arabic "SAMA' " i.e. "سماء" (meaning "SKY" ). I am inclined to thinking of the Edo word "ISO" along the lines of the Yoruba word "ÌSO" (with the actual diacritics still being "do-re" ). And the Yoruba word "ÌSO" conveys the following sense: "Tie", "Hang", as well as "Suspend" (as in suspend up in the air by been hung or tied). This last significance brings the Edo "ISO" close to the Yoruba "ÌSO". Having said that, I have updated the video of the interview by the 'yesterday' Ooni on the events around the first visit of an Ooni outside Ife. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 10:24pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
TAO11:I have maternal and paternal that married outside the standard of Yoruba's ideology, which was the reason for chaotic challenge that we have in Yoruba land. Although, I am certain that the two groups that struggle to dominate Yoruba's lexicons are Semitic, which is the reason you raised the issue of Sms which is sanmo is Yoruba. And as you have said, it is recent as the English language is! This is reason,that I mock at the ignorance people who do not understand Yoruba lexicons. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 10:39pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Olu317: "Okin ni baba eiye" means Okin (peacock) is the father, ie king, of all birds. Therefore Okin is used in a masculine context, it could also be feminine. Besides, the actual beauty of a peacock is displayed by the male, not the female. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:00pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
And my reason for this is quite simple and straightforward ---- the Yoruba word "AWOSONMO" (or simply "SONMO" ) is a relatively recent loanword Awosonmo is ancient Yoruba, ofurufu is recent Yoruba. And no , it does not appear to be a loan word since it is descriptive (skin or cover of the expanse). It's like saying oorun (sun) is from Horus. Or osan (afternoon) was derived from the English word sun. Also note oorun/oru meaning sun and darkness, both referring to the condition of the sky. And also included in Y oru ba. Awo in Yoruba typically applies to ancient secrets eg wizard, skin, cover, conceal, etc in certain contexts. A word like alubosa could be considered a loan word since you cannot break it into constituent parts, it would have no meaning. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 11:26pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
nlPoster: Lol. My brother "SONMO" is from "SAMA' ". The use of "SONMO" for "SKY" is widespread among the Yorubas because of the Muslim Yorubas It is often found that the usage of "SONMO" for "SKY" is particularly among the Muslim Yorubas. Whereas other Yorubas who aren't Muslim tend to lean towards referring to "SKY" as "OFURUFU" or "OJU-ORUN". "SONMO" is one of the many Yoruba loanwords from Arabic. It is actually funny that I have to be arguing this. And I know some Arabic by the way. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:29pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
The constant references to "Muslim Yorubas" are a nairaland peculiarity, if you follow the same path that means your knowledge of Yoruba dialectics is mainly based on what you read on this forum. My opinion. Yorubas do not divide themselves the way it's done on nairaland. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 11:39pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
nlPoster: Does the fact that some bigots use the innocent phrase "Yoruba Muslim" (or "Muslim Yoruba" ) for their bigotry alter the fact that some Yorubas are Muslims (and others are Christian) for a long period of their history?? I'm not sure what you're on about with your response. I am also not sure how my foregoing comment was supposed to be toeing the lines of political and tribal bigots who use the phrase "Yoruba Muslim" (or "Muslim Yoruba" ) for twisted and weird politicking. My argument is simply that ---- just as with all languages in the world ---- some words ("SONMO" in this case) became accepted as a loanword into the Yoruba lexicon, from other languages ("Arabic" in this case) through the influence of Yorubas who embraced and identify with the Islamic faith whose linguafranca is Arabic. How is this supposed to be close to anything divisive by any stretch of the imagination 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:41pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
It is often found that the usage of "SONMO" for "SKY" is particularly among the Muslim Yorubas. Awo sonmo is a traditional Yoruba term, perhaps that's what you mean. Whereas other Yorubas who aren't Muslim tend to lean towards referring to "SKY" as "OFURUFU" Yorubas use ofurufu interchangeably with awo sonmo (to varying degrees) but awo sonmo is more profound because ofurufu sounds like nothingness or wind (afefe/fluff). It's more general and not as descriptive. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 11:54pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
nlPoster: No, I mean that "SONMO" (which is the actual BASE WORD here) is a relatively recent word because is is a LOANWORD from "SAMA' ".
It's not about what "OFURUFU" sounds, TO YOU, like. It's about what "OFURUFU" actually means. And "OFURUFU" actually and specifically means "SKY". "NOTHINGNESS" is "ÒFO" or "KÒRÒFO". "WIND" is "AFÉFÉ" or "ÈFÚÙFÙLÈLÈ". Moreover, in addition to "OFURUFU" , I also mentioned "OJÚ-ÒRUN" also meaning "SKY" in a very specific sense. A Yoruba lexicon (maybe google translate also) could help you check which of these words is actually originally Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:56pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
No, I mean that "SONMO" (which is the actual BASE WORD here) is a relatively recent word because is is a LOANWORD from "SAMA' ". It's a Yoruba word, not a loan word. Similarities with Arabic means they have the same root, possibly Yorubas (either assimilated or original) brought it along after they left the middle east. Sonmo is from osan meaning afternoon. Osan mo means day has dawned. It's like saying Oju ti mo meaning it's morning ie the sky has cleared. Sonmo also shares similarities with English sun, why do you exclude that? And "OFURUFU" actually and specifically means "SKY". Ofurufu is more recent than awo sonmo. When you break it down, it has little meaning hence the association with afefe which means wind or aimless. When you check efulefu in Igbo language, it also shares this resemblance because it means shiftless person. Awo sonmo implies there is something beyond the visible sky ie something covering something else, hence it's more intense meaning. Ofurufu just means expanse. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 12:11am On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: The term "Yoruba muslim" is a nairaland buzzword used by nlers who are recent acquaintances with SW Nigeria. Possibly also an effect of globalization and modern information technology (read power struggle). By recent acquaintance I mean either fairly recent arrivals or living in the SW but not integrated with the people there. I've explained why there is a similarity between sonmo and sama in my previous post. I don't consider it a loan word but a common root word. Also, google translate is not to be used as an only research tool. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 12:15am On Jan 03, 2020 |
A meaning of buzzword: Ambiguous word (often hyphenated) that is repeated over and over to win support for a cause. www |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:09am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: Hence, there is NO "SKY" at NIGHT TIME in the logic of the Yorubas, right?? Your supposed etymological derivation is at best funny. "SONMO" has NO CONSISTENT Etymological explanation within the Yoruba lexicon, just as your above attempt as shown clearly. And the reason is simple ----The word "SONMO" is a relatively recent Yoruba adaptation from Arabic. All languages in the world has borrowed something from another language. It has nothing to do with which language or culture is more antique than the other. And it's even funnier that you dared to entertain an hypothesis of "SONMO" from "SUN" because they sound alike. No there is more to adaptations than MERE sounds. Yet this has generally served as your framework, especially in your "SONMO" from "OSAN MO" ---- which gives the false, inconsistent, and counterintuitive understanding that for the Yorubas, the concept of "SKY" is non-existent at night-time or at morning-time. ---- Absurd, isn't it?
You based your whole argument here on the precise thing you're supposed to prove ---- that is, To prove that Ofurufu is the recent of the two. Not only is your argument here then circular, it also raises more questions than it solves any. It raises the question of: If Ofurufu (for Sky) is the relatively recent word (which is not always found in the Yoruba lexicon) then from where did it find its way into the Yoruba lexicon?? You were simply trying to fill up a smaller hole by digging anothe bigger and deeper hole. Your association of the Yoruba "Ofurufu" with the Igbo "Efulefu" is not only random and arbitrary but also weird. And the reason is quite straightforward ---- the Yoruba "Ofurufu" means "SKY", while the Igbo "Efulefu" on the other hand comes nowhere close to meaning "SKY". Similarly, if your assiciation of the Yoruba word "Ofurufu" to the Yoruba word "Afefe" is anything to go by, then it will be making my point rather than yours. This is because it will be showing that this word "Ofurufu" is cognate with another Yoruba word ("Afefe" ), and hence always part of the Yoruba language. Regarding your final paragraph: For the umpteenth time, the contention is not about the prefix "ÀWÒ" in the words"ÀWÒ SONMO". No, the contention is about the base-word itself, i.e. "SONMO". "ÀWÒ" is undisputably Yoruba, meaning: "SURFACE", or "EXTERIOR", or "LAYER", or sometimes "COLOUR/COMPLEXION". And the need for the prefix "ÀWÒ" (in "ÀWÒ SONMO" ) by the Yorubas is necessary and apt because the Muslim understanding of "SAMA' " (which came to be rendered as "SONMO" in Yoruba) is that there are some seven levels or layers of "SAMA' ". Thus, the visible side from a naked-eye observer on earth (the Yoruba person in this case) is only the surface or the exterior, etc. hence "ÀWÒ". "SONMO", therefore, in the Yoruba understanding (just as in the understanding of the language, culture, and religion from which it was adopted) is beyond the visible surface from a naked-eye observer on earth. The prefix "ÀWÒ" (as in "ÀWÒ-SONMO" ) is therefore NOT used because the word "SONMO" for "SKY" is older than the word "OFURUFU" for "SKY" as you think, the prefix is used (as has been shown) for an entirely different reason. Also, "OFURUFU" does NOT mean "EXPANSE". No sane Yoruba man or woman will see an "EXPANSE of LAND" and then call it "OFURUFU" (or even "OFURUFU ILE" ). "OFURUFU" means "SKY", "OJU-ORUN" means "SKY", and "SONMO" also means "SKY". The latter comes from "SAMA' ", while the former (i.e. "OFURUFU" and "OJU ORUN" ) have always been part of the Yoruba lexicon. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:14am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: Yes, but you didn't and still haven't explained how my use of the term has the same childish and bigoted divisive motive as "those" Nairalanders, despite your allegation against me about my use of the term. You may want to re-read my argument in that comment as a refresher of the point I actually made. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by tpiar: 1:18am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Your posts are too lengthy for me to want to analyze in detail, so I just pick points here and there to respond to. Similarly, if your assiciation of the Yoruba word "Ofurufu" to the Yoruba word "Afefe" is anything to go by, then it will be making my point rather than yours because it will be showing that this word is cognate with another Yoruba word, and hence always part of the Yoruba language. Afefe is recent because an older Yoruba word for wind is ategun. One easy way to guess which words are recent and which are not likely to be loaned are break it down into it's constituent parts and see if it still has a meaning. Afefe (fluff) is difficult to explain in Yoruba because it's a whole word and has vowels inserted between the consonants, meaning it could be a loan word from another language. Ategun on the other hand, is descriptive (remember this is important because most subsaharan Africans do not have a written language therefore they store their history via oratory, among other things. You can analyze ategun (wind) by breaking it into smaller units and it still makes sense. Ate could be to step or we step (on), referring to the far reaches of the wind which goes everywhere. Long refers to the same. Te can mean spread as in a long or wide spread. The clusters of ofurufu, afefe, efulefu and fluff which all have similar descriptive contexts (wind, emptiness, etc), indicates the Yoruba words are recent additions. Recent could mean anything up to 200 years, minus or plus. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by tpiar: 1:30am On Jan 03, 2020 |
If you noticed ategun also doesnt have consonants together, then note the n at the end which is not followed by a verb. It's just some rules of Yoruba semantics, not necessarily always consistent. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:36am On Jan 03, 2020 |
tpiar: I am not sure how you came to the conclusion of one been older of these two. What's the circumstance surrounding the birth or adoption of your supposed recent alternative here?? Why couldn't these two have both always been part of the Yoruba lexicon??
Tell me if "OMO" (CHILD) is a loanword because its constituent parts has no obvious meaning to you. What about "OJÚ" (EYE(s)), IMÚ" (NOSE), etc. among uncountable others?? It's not just as basic as you presume. And I think your theory here is weaker than remaining silent.
No, "AFEFE" is not difficult to explain, and it means "BREEZE". Lol. The root-word in "AFEFE" is clearly obvious --- that is, "FÉ". And it simply and clearly signifies "BLOW" --- as in "Breeze's blow".
Going by your strange theory, I expected you to be consistent enough to conlude that "Ategun" is the loanword from perhaps Igbo language. Lol. Your so-called break-it-down analysis will not help you find any meaning even remotely close to "BREEZE" from "ATEGUN", despite your tortuous and laughable attempt of "step on". 2 Likes 1 Share |
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