elampiro:


United play two midfield players. You may want to do chances created by minutes for two players. Not just addition.

But we alreay saw their overall whoscored rating

Dayo will like you. So we shouldn't add their outputs to get concerted one, we must conclude that United have superior 'midfield' creativity, because of McTominay's good output.

Have you settled with afrodoc2, regarding Lingard's position?

airmark:




Dayo will like you. So we shouldn't add their outputs to get concerted one, we must conclude that United have superior 'midfield' creativity, because of McTominay's good output.

Have you settled with afrodoc2, regarding Lingard's position?

You wanted to sum up 3 vs 2?

We play two midfielders. Lingard/Pereira are not CMs

Fred is the most creative in both teams because Pogba and Keita have not played enough games to get a good sample.

elampiro:


You wanted to sum up 3 vs 2?

We play two midfielders. Lingard/Pereira are not CMs

Yes, nobody forced your team to use two players in the midfield.

What we are talking about here is 'midfield' as an entity. How United's 2-man midfield is more creative than Liverpool's 3, is what i expected you to prove. You can't ask Liverpool to drop one midfielder, because you are using 2. It's United's midfield vs Liverpool's midfield.

This team is just a poorly coached team, simple Make una leave argument.

weedtaker:
but under Klopp his creativity isn't needed, his work rate is what most people who started following him at Liverpool knows him by.

I for one knows he's a goal scoring midfielder from his PSV and Newcastle days.

What elamps is trying to tell you is that, the way Gini is used at Liverpool makes the comparison with McSauce valid as he's not expected to be a creative outlet for them but rather a workaholic.

In LFC, they have the fb as part of the creative outlets. In United, aside the attackers, who are the creative outlets? The midfielders or fullbacks? Cc elampiro

airmark:


Yes, nobody forced your team to use two players in the midfield.

What we are talking about here is 'midfield' as an entity. How United's 2-man midfield is more creative than Liverpool's 3, is what i expected you to prove. You can't ask Liverpool to drop one midfielder, because you are using 2. It's United's midfield vs Liverpool's midfield.

We are talking about individual creativity. Simple. Fred is the most creative in the combined team for players having reasonable amount of playing time.

eph12:

In LFC, they have the fb as part of the creative outlets. In United, aside the attackers, who are the creative outlets? The midfielders or fullbacks? Cc elampiro

judging from our set up, it should be the midfielders.

weedtaker:
We've many problem in dis team, First being our lack of movement

In the 2nd half when Arsenal were gassed out and we had control of the ball we were an eye sore, Fred go hold ball everybody go stand the look like zombie.

Since we don't have a good number 10 why not switch to 4-3-3 na must say we must play that Rubbish 4-2-3-1?

Our pressing game is not coordinated at all, it looks amateur level, Rashford will be running with the ball, Shaw the LB go just stand and expect Rashas to dribble 3people and score or assist, is that how other teams in the PL attack? why is only our different?

Another is the balls to drop underperforming players, them suppose don drop de gea, Maguire lindelof AWB Lingard and perreira at one point dis season, but despite their poor forms they are all still guaranteed to play.

I so hate 4231 formation ehn

eph12:

In LFC, they have the fb as part of the creative outlets. In United, aside the attackers, who are the creative outlets? The midfielders or fullbacks? Cc elampiro

Every team is set up differently according to the player's abilities. Apart from Arnold, Liverpool's creativity comes from the front men. United is created to get its own from the front four with the highest responsibility on the number 10. The attackers are primarily suppose to create for themselves since they have a number 10 which make them four in front. Others can contribute.

weedtaker:
judging from our set up, it should be the midfielders.

I agree

elampiro:


Every team is set up differently according to the player's abilities. Apart from Arnold, Liverpool's creativity comes from the front men. United is created to get its own from the front four with the highest responsibility on the number 10. The attackers are primarily suppose to create for themselves since they have a number 10 which make them four in front. Others can contribute.

Which successful team depends on only the attackers to create chances and score goals?

eph12:

Which successful team depends on only the attackers to create chances and score goals?

I don't think our team is balanced.

You guys should stop running around jare. A team of average players can be very successful. It depends on the set-up and how flexible the team can be in responding to opponents' way of playing.

Firminho, Salah, and Mane were average players, Liverpool's midfielders are average players, Leicester's defence is made up of average players, but these guys in their respective teams perform really well because the manager knows what to do to get the best out of them. players have flaws, and tend to be lazy, only the manager can make them work really hard and use their skills well.

In short, OGS needs to improve before we can see serious improvements. Only addition I would suggest at this point is a CM, since Pogba and MCtom are out for weeks. Current team can make top 4, na manager go do the trick!

elampiro:


We are talking about individual creativity. Simple. Fred is the most creative in the combined team for players having reasonable amount of playing time.

How?

Fred will sit for a fit Keita anyday, anywhere.

weedtaker:
I don't think our team is balanced.

The point I'm trying to make is that either the fullbacks or the midfielders step up.

eph12:

The point I'm trying to make is that either the fullbacks or the midfielders step up.

but our starting fullbacks aren't known for their attacking ability or quality.

airmark:


How?

Fred will sit for a fit Keita anyday, anywhere.

So says the stats. Keita has not played ,much to get a reasonable assessment.

weedtaker:
but our starting fullbacks aren't known for their attacking ability or quality.

I'll fault the coach for this. The fullbacks are still very young and can improve certain aspects of their games. The midfield too can. But when it comes to giving that timely pass, making the right runs, movement off and on the ball, the whole team has been lacking for a major part of the season.

Lana1:
Another scenario would be for Lingard to run towards the CB to draw him out so that James could have a free run on goal. Either way this attack should have ended in a goal but Lingard is just not intelligent. Very dull!

Did you notice that Lingard most times doesn't pass the ball in space for his teammate during an attack.. He passes it to feet and by the time it gets to the player, it becomes a backpass and the move is gone... Yet fvcker is still at united.

pharod:


Did you notice that Lingard most times doesn't pass the ball in space for his teammate during an attack.. He passes it to feet and by the time it gets to the player, it becomes a backpass and the move is gone... Yet fvcker is still at united.

What are you saying?

Lingard HIDES behind opposition players instead of receiving the ball and driving forward. That is enough to damn the damn boy.

eph12:

Which successful team depends on only the attackers to create chances and score goals?

We are talking about the main people who create. We have four in front including the number 10 whose primary responsibility in 4-2-3-1 is to create..

Liverpool has three in front freeing one middle man to support defence. Our midfielders and defnders don't have that luxury of extra coverage

weedtaker:
but our starting fullbacks aren't known for their attacking ability or quality.

This is what they fail to understand. When some guys see Man City having their midfielders as best creators, they descend on our midfield. If they see Liverpool having the full backs as key creators they expect ours to play that way. When City had Silva as the creator, everyone expected Rooney or Mata whoever plays 10 to be the creator in United. If Chelsea has their DM as the creator, our DM must also create. If tomorrow Leicester has their goalkeeper as the creator, DDG must also create.

Everything has players with different skills, they have to been harnessed and not forced out overnight what players don't have.

elampiro:


So says the stats. Keita has not played ,much to get a reasonable assessment.

Stats that inform you the number of times Fred lost possessions? Fred that only started playing well in the last 3 or 4 games?

Leyqute:


What are you saying?

Lingard HIDES behind opposition players instead of receiving the ball and driving forward. That is enough to damn the damn boy.

My brother, I just weak for the matter... Now we are being linked with Seun Longthing. I no know who do us this thing.



Make the world war 3 just start abeg

airmark:


Stats that inform you the number of times Fred lost possessions? Fred that only started playing well in the last 3 or 4 games?

Whoscored stats has over 200 indices for measuring performance. United midfielders rated higher than Liverpool midfielders.

we'll see some new face in the line up against Wolverhampton. hopefully they make a good case for the right to be regulars.

Ole attacking RVP.

Guess the criticism got to him.

I don’t know Robin, Robin doesn’t know me. He probably doesn’t have the right to criticize my management style and I won’t change, that’s definite. Robin, yeah he took my number 20 jersey and that’s probably all he’s going to take from me as well..... Because we are not in the medieval times

Ole.



When you consider the fact that RVP said “constantly smiling after defeats doesn’t look good”, you begin to question if Ole isn’t a cry baby.

The match against Newscastle that we lost, DDG was the captain and tore into the team after the match criticizing everyone of them.


Guess who is no longer captain?

larride:
The match against Newscastle that we lost, DDG was the captain and tore into the team after the match criticizing everyone of them.


Guess who is no longer captain?

He gave it to his new signing, Van Dijk wannabe.....white Omuero! Maybe that's why that one sef dey commit stvpid errors. Thunder fire all of them!

nitrogen:


He gave it to his new signing, Van Dijk wannabe.....white Omuero! Maybe that's why that one sef dey commit stvpid errors. Thunder fire all of them!

Na Omo ologo Maguire you dey abuse like that?

elampiro:

We are talking about the main people who create. We have four in front including the number 10 whose primary responsibility in 4-2-3-1 is to create..

Liverpool has three in front freeing one middle man to support defence. Our midfielders and defnders don't have that luxury of extra coverage

Which successful team depended on only the attackers to create chances and score goals, especially in the last decade or so?