hulk616:

1. Many things

2. Yes

3. That make sense

4. That's means there will be less fight and more talking which made BvS trash

pu7pl3:


So how then do you expect a 2 hour movie to be with that kind of villain huh?

There is nothing to look past here man,that's just what they are..if it were in an animation it's a whole different story but this is Cinema we are talking of here and both of them can be classified under the same purpose anyhow you want to look at it

pu7pl3:




They are not the same..I'm talking about their roles in any full length movie tho and it will be the same always...

City wide,planet wide,it's the same difference

Raalsalghul:

More like an anti-hero: that makes sense.

Minemrys:

dpending on how the story goes. Bizarro has m0re story layerz than d0omsday. I love how smallville interpretd their own bizarro.

Raalsalghul:


Pu7pl3 is viewing those characters at the surface level.

When you dig deeper, there are some fundamental differences.

Raalsalghul:
Minemrys, what issues do you have against using Doomsday as a villaim for Man of Steel 2?

Maybe I'm missing something, would like to hear your thoughts.

Minemrys:

yea. Parasite's a go0d villain but s0mething we haven't seen in superman films that is present in the animatd show is superman fighting crime, uncovering secrets through his investigative journalism skills. Only BvS tried to do this. And am sure if they made supes do m0re of that and with a gr8 villain, our opini0n abt superman would change. It'll also give clark kent m0re chance to be a character and explore his relati0nship with Lois. Bringing a crime organisati0n and c0ntinuing the apocalypse story as a sub plot with intergang and granny goodness would be great. Parasite can cameo bt to set up a JL film with the injustice league. It's high time we actually saw superman fighting crime instead of just aliens and lex luthor.

Lmao first of all you said parasite can cameo so how will he be the main villain if he cameos?

Secondly this your angle sounds good but Superman isn't batman that goes around fighting thugs and solving crimes man, superman is known to always deal with planet level threats or above that's his Forte... a film of him beating up thugs without any real sense of him being in any danger or the risk of having common thugs have access to kryptonite...e no make sense

Minemrys:

bro, parasite as a villain in a supes film if d0ne right is a great idea. Check the themes that go with brainiac, it has been an over used trope in sci fi. And the thing is brainiac in a solo superman film right after general zod would just make superman all the m0re a generic character. Check this out, why didn't n0lan go for riddler after using the joker in TDK. Or use bane and talia after ra'as al ghul? To create s0me fresh air and do s0mething dynamic.

Minemrys:

all the m0re reas0n n0t to use brainiac immediately after zod. We've seen the colonializati0n and d0minati0n thingy in MOS. Going with similar theme doesn't bring anything new to the table. And trust me, such wouldn't bring a large BO cos we've all seen it in lots of films that it bec0mes less interesting.

People love destruction and superhero feats too..not just psychology which can also be incorporated in a Braniac story by a good writer... Braniac bossing the B.O. is a no BRAINER

Minemrys:

lo0king at the story 4 bvs, yes bizarro would've been a perfect villain. Like, the story was abt abs0lute power corrupts, lex would've cl0ned a superman that'll destroy supes' image and then anger bruce the m0re. Like that scene where supes rescues Lois, Lex would've secretly sent his superman afterwards to kill every0ne then film it to show the world at that hearing. There was so much bizarro could've d0ne in bvs c0nsidering the story. But i disagree on d0omsday being a go0d fit for a M0s 2.

Minemrys:

actually, bizarro would've made alot of sense. Like incite fear over a superman that has no respect, and also forced clark to want to kn0w m0re abt this rogue superman that isn't him and that the world sees as him.

Raalsalghul:


Pupl3 is viewing those characters at the surface level.

When you dig deeper, there are some fundamental differences.

Raalsalghul:


I've given an example of how Bizarro can be used as a villain except he won't be featured in the final fight scene like Doomsday in BvS.

Minemrys:

dpending on how the story goes. Bizarro has m0re story layerz than d0omsday. I love how smallville interpretd their own bizarro.

pu7pl3:


All these things you listed are still things Lex managed to achieve through other means(creating Doomsday) vilifying Superman and manipulating Batman to go after him..

pu7pl3:



People love destruction and superhero feats too..not just psychology which can also be incorporated in a Braniac story by a good writer... Braniac bossing the B.O. is a no BRAINER

Minemrys:

if u make him dumb. But i dnt see how they can't take liberties and just make him just a cl0ne with no c0nscience. Or a cl0ne that rarely talks ala like the witcher character.

pu7pl3:


He used Bane right after the Joker and the theme didn't really change in the 3 movies..a Villain trying to take over Gotham and convert or expose Batman...they were basically the same thing but with different and compelling stories each of them

Minemrys:

n0t really. He didn't achieve anything aside killing superman. And even with supes dead, his legacy wasn't. H0nestly, i dnt get why batman hated supes in the film. They literally didn't show it. They just told us. And in story telling, just telling the audience than showing them is a negative prospect. The way the fight was resolved was t0o po0r that had bizarro being the villain, it'd have made sense, and that martha line would've been well executd.

Minemrys:

they were n0t the same thing. Ra'as and talia were only the same thing, in that they wantd to destroy n0t take over gotham. Joker didn't want to take over or destroy, he just wantd anarchy. Imagine what would've happened had TDK being abt talia and bane with same theme right after batman begins. Or had n0lan brought in the riddler after joker. There has to be balance in story telling. There are times when u increase the tempo or reduce it.

pu7pl3:



Lmao first of all you said parasite can cameo so how will he be the main villain if he cameos?

Secondly this your angle sounds good but Superman isn't batman that goes around fighting thugs and solving crimes man, superman is known to always deal with planet level threats or above that's his Forte... a film of him beating up thugs without any real sense of him being in any danger or the risk of having common thugs have access to kryptonite...e no make sense

Minemrys:

go watch the animatd show. Superman fights crimes. He did it in smallville. C0me on, he's an investigative reporter. And parasite cameoing means him appearing in the film as 0ne of the memberz of intergang hired and brought together by granny go0dness. Bro, go watch smallville seas0n 8 or 9, superman is m0re than just handling intergalactic threats. He also has a life and job which the films rarely focused on. And that's one of the reas0ns people find superman films boring. He's just the boy scout without a life, which he really just isn't. Go read s0me superman c0mics. He does fight crimes.

Dude,not everything is fit for the big screen...you of all people should know this.. Clark in smallville couldn't even fly plus he was still a growing kid and that's different from Cavill's version on the big screen...street level thugs won't be a compelling watch against superman in the cinema and they would have to really tone him down with either Kryptonite or just without explanation like that stupid Aqualad and Donna Troy in Titans

And seriously man,I'm the wrong person you should be telling to go read Superman comics

pu7pl3:


Bane was the main Villain in TDKR Talia was just behind the scenes till the 3rd act and things bane was trying to do was basically what Joker did but in a more calculated and bigger way..they look different but that's just a testament to good storytelling and directing from Nolan

And that's proof that Braniac after Zod can work especially since Zod will be like 10yrs ago by the time MOS 2 hits the theatres

pu7pl3:


Doomsday actually has more story layers than Bizarro

Minemrys:

d0omsday is mainly a plot device than a character. U can't have superman battling or on the l0ok out for a mindless beast all through 2 hourz. And then, using him means bringing into bear the death of superman which had bvs n0t d0ne it, would've been way to early. There's so little u can do with d0omsday, hence why he's used when the story is a character centre piece featuring lots of characterz. Using d0omsday in a solo supes film, makes it boring cos it means, lots of c0ncentrati0n on other characterz. That's why he's often brought into stories featuring the JL.
An0ther villain that'd work well in a m0s film is the cadmus organisati0n headed by amanda waller. And mind u, waller is often times a superman foe.

Minemrys:

how exactly is bane similar to joker? Joker wantd anarchy bt bane wantd to destroy gotham fr0m within gotham using the pretext of freed0m

Bane was t0o ra'as al ghul like than joker. And brainiac w0n't sit well with audiences after m0s seeing as it's the only solo superman m0vie they'd be going to, and watching same destructi0n and d0minati0n level threat sparks a M0s remake than sequel. Trust me, bt if u still insist, am d0ne with this argument. Just wait till wb make brainiac the villain. Even ww84 aint going with similar style of villain with ww.

Minemrys:

really? Aside killing clark, what else has d0omsday d0ne?

Minemrys:

depending on the theme explored. If am to write parasite, i w0n't make him a straight bad guy.

BankyGee:

I agree with this man

Minemrys:

dpending on the versi0n. In the animatd series, he destroys all and takes a porti0n.

Minemrys:

does joker match batman in c0mbat? C0me ön, we've got at0mic skull, parasite, metallo, intergang etc.

Minemrys:

okay. N0w, is what brainiac taking his own?