elampiro:


So does this in any way imply United midfielders do not work hard? Mostly considering we actually have a front four, not three. But for benefit of easy comparison, let us stick to three. When our front three return was poor, the midfielders were blamed. Now that the stats have gone up rapidly, who is to be praised? Chelsea and Spurs front three have poor returns, does it mean our midfield is better than those ones?

So do we say now that our attack is bad? This has been your point, right?

eph12:

So do we say now that our attack is bad? This has been your point, right?

They have put in many goals recently, may be we are getting there. But they are still not as good as the trio Mane, Salah and Ferminho. May be the Liverpool trio are actually starved by their midfield which you guys praise.

afrodoc2:


What do you want him to say? "My boss Woodward is confused, and the owners the Glazers are American aka gums who are in it only for the money" ?

No.

He could have said something like “I didn’t hear the chant maybe because I was too focused on the match, I will have to watch the videos again to know what the chant was about” then continue talking about the match.

This is an opportunity for him, if he wants to be asslicking the board and Ed when it’s obvious the fans at OT are on their neck, it’s his choice and will bear the full consequences when shít hit the fan.

When the fans turn on him, we will see who will be out of a job.

elampiro:


They have put in many goals recently, may be we are getting there. But they are still not as good as the trio Mane, Salah and Ferminho. May be the Liverpool trio are actually starved by their midfield which you guys praise.

The attack does not score goals like Liverpool's attack, it is their fault and not that they are starved by the midfield.

The attack scores goals like Liverpool's attack, it is the Liverpool's midfield's fault for starving their attack.

Issakaba!

afrodoc2:


The attack does not score goals like Liverpool's attack, it is their fault and not that they are starved by the midfield.

The attack scores goals like Liverpool's attack, it is the Liverpool's midfield's fault for starving their attack.

Issakaba!

I just weak. elampiro na case

Lana1:
Except for rotation purposes, Williams should never sit for Shaw again. The guy is a joy to watch.
Unlike Shaw that is already back in the sick bay.

Shaw is limited. Period.

Una no quick notice. Me don see am tey tey

larride:


No.

He could have said something like “I didn’t hear the chant maybe because I was too focused on the match, I will have to watch the videos again to know what the chant was about” then continue talking about the match.

This is an opportunity for him, if he wants to be asslicking the board and Ed when it’s obvious the fans at OT are on their neck, it’s his choice and will bear the full consequences when shít hit the fan.

When the fans turn on him, we will see who will be out of a job.

If your argument is that Ole is tactically deficient and should be relieved of his job in the not too distant future i am with you 1000%, but i am not personally interested in whether he asslicks like Moyes or asskicks like Jose.

No amount or style of talk will save him. Different managers have tried different PR methods and it all came to nothing. What matters is "are you a good manager", not whether you support the owners on TV or not.

afrodoc2:


The attack does not score goals like Liverpool's attack, it is their fault and not that they are starved by the midfield.

The attack scores goals like Liverpool's attack, it is the Liverpool's midfield's fault for starving their attack.

Issakaba!

So what is your own stance? Would you now say the attack is now being fed by our midfielders considering you appeared to join those who said they were being failed by the midfield?

But to clear one thing, I never for once praised the Liverpool midfield as being creative. I always said the strength is in their front three which is feared by oppositions.

elampiro:


So what is your own stance? Would you now say the attack is now being fed by our midfielders considering you appeared to join those who said they were being failed by the midfield?

I am just summarizing your illogical stance.

You said attack's output had nothing to do with midfield, now you are blaming Liverpool's midfield for their attack's output.

And you say you attend Deeper Life Bible Church?

afrodoc2:




I am just summarizing your illogical stance.

You said attack's output had nothing to do with midfield, now you are blaming Liverpool's midfield for their attack's output.

And you say you attend Deeper Life Bible Church?

Then you were too poor to understand the logic. I am using their argument to help them reason the Liverpool case.

If you say midfield makes our forward poor, then Liverpool is also poor. So now you also blame their midfield. That is what I meant.

elampiro:


Then you were too poor to understand the logic. I am using their argument to help them reason the Liverpool case.

If you say midfield makes our forward poor, then Liverpool is also poor. So now you also blame their midfield. That is what I meant.

Did they beg you to reason for them?

Your logic is flawed and all over the place,that is why only you understands it. Mr Helper.

And Chelsea with all the Kante, Tottenham with all the Sissoko have even poorer front three returns.

afrodoc2:


Did they beg you to reason for them?

Your logic is flawed and all over the place,that is why only you understands it. Mr Helper.

Is not flawed. You misunderstood it.

It is simple, our front three have a good return almost as Liverpool. Better than Spurs and Chelsea. So since they argued that the productivity of the front three is dependent on the midfield, can we now say that Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs have poor or even poorer midfields (than ours)?

elampiro:
And Chelsea with all the Kante, Tottenham with all the Sissoko have even poorer front three returns.

Which of Kante or Sissoko is a creative player?

And to clarify i know the attackers need to improve, but i just don't agree with your attempt to completely absolve the midfield of any responsibility.
KDB, Ozil, and Fabregas have been midfielders in this same league. The midfield has a role to play in creating and scoring chances also.

elampiro:


Is not flawed. You misunderstood it.

It is simple, our front three have a good return almost as Liverpool. Better than Spurs and Chelsea. So since they argued that the productivity of the front three is dependent on the midfield, can we now say that Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs have poor or even poorer midfields (than ours)?

U attend Deeper life??

afrodoc2:


Which of Kante or Sissoko is a creative player?

And to clarify i know the attackers need to improve, but i just don't agree with your attempt to completely absolve the midfield of any responsibility.
KDB, Ozil, and Fabregas have been midfielders in this same league. The midfield has a role to play in creating and scoring chances also.

KDB only started playing central midfield this season. He was RWF/LWF like Hazard. He also played as number 10, where he had also played a couple of time this season. Ozil is also like that, playing RWF/LWF/CAM. Fabregas returns are high when he is played as number 10. As CM he doesn't do as well. He can also play the false 9.

Central midfielders return will be higher in a midfield of three when one is allowed to play near the attackers like Lampard. But in a midfield of two (Scholes and Carrick) the returns will be low. This is why McTominay and Fred contribution cannot be like those of KDB, Ozil, Fabregas. If we have a midfield of three, we can play Pogba close to the attackers and hold him responsible for those kind of contribution

You must be really shit for Ole to get annoyed with you

Chrisus:
You must be really shit for Ole to get annoyed with you

From today's game? Cos I thought Perreira was better compared to his previous games

chrisley024:
From today's game? Cos I thought Perreira was better compared to his previous games

Yes, it was from today's game.

Don't be deceived by all those shakushaku moves Pereira displayed today Those were literally his only contributions

elampiro:


Shaw is limited. Period.

Una no quick notice. Me don see am tey tey

The only reason you saw anything back then was because you didn't like the way he was benching your sweet heart Young. The guy showed a lot potential when he joined us. He just lost his way along the line.

Lana1:
The only reason you saw anything back then was because you didn't like the way he was benching your sweet heart Young. The guy showed a lot potential when he joined us. He just lost his way along the line.

It is because you guys wanted Young benched that you couldnt see his limitations.

I pointed them out clearly. Only now you guys can see them.

elampiro:


KDB only started playing central midfield this season. He was RWF/LWF like Hazard. He also played as number 10, where he had also played a couple of time this season. Ozil is also like that, playing RWF/LWF/CAM. Fabregas returns are high when he is played as number 10. As CM he doesn't do as well. He can also play the false 9.

Central midfielders return will be higher in a midfield of three when one is allowed to play near the attackers like Lampard. But in a midfield of two (Scholes and Carrick) the returns will be low. This is why McTominay and Fred contribution cannot be like those of KDB, Ozil, Fabregas. If we have a midfield of three, we can play Pogba close to the attackers and hold him responsible for those kind of contribution

You are talking stats, i am talking game play. Ability to switch play from side to side fluidly. Ability to consistently pass in between the lines. That is where our midfield is lacking. They move the ball too slowly and end up making the safe pass most of the time.


According to whoscored KDB played 36 out of 37 EPL games in central midfield in 17/18 season, 10 out 19 EPL last season, and even 16 out of 34 as far back as 16/17 season. So that your assertion is false anyway.

elampiro:


It is because you guys wanted Young benched that you couldnt see his limitations.

I pointed them out clearly. Only now you guys can see them.

Both Young and Shaw are limited. Early on i said Williams will be benching one of them by the 2nd half of the season, i didn't know the young man will be impatient and start benching both of them.

Chrisus:


Yes, it was from today's game.

Don't be deceived by all those shakushaku moves Pereira displayed today Those were literally his only contributions

He had an assist bros.

I think he did well today.

afrodoc2:


Both Young and Shaw are limited. Early on i said Williams will be benching one of them by the 2nd half of the season, i didn't know the young man will be impatient and start benching both of them.

Young is not limited. He is only old.

From that left he was helping LGV to kill big teams. It was hard to predict which area he would go. He still has those flashes when he plays from the left but his legs are weak now. Remember this guy tormented teams in the EPL while at Villa, creating some of the best play from the wing.

But William is perfect for now. In two years, he we will be enjoying him fully.

DeadPresidents:


He had an assist bros.

I think he did well today.

Pereira didn't have an assist. Those crosses were from Mata

elampiro:


Then you were too poor to understand the logic. I am using their argument to help them reason the Liverpool case.

If you say midfield makes our forward poor, then Liverpool is also poor. So now you also blame their midfield. That is what I meant.

What could be the problem then since you earlier claimed the midfield was on par with liverpoolor even better and you have realized that there is very little difference between lfc attack and ours?

elampiro:


Young is not limited. He is only old.

From that left he was helping LGV to kill big teams. It was hard to predict which area he would go. He still has those flashes when he plays from the left but his legs are weak now. Remember this guy tormented teams in the EPL while at Villa, creating some of the best play from the wing.

But William is perfect for now. In two years, he we will be enjoying him fully.

Yes he is LIMITED by his age. He is not as good as he once was. He was mainly a mediocre winger for us but became a decent full back, and his days are numbered.
He was better and showed more potential at Villa.

As for Williams i wanted a more gradual introduction but the senior ones (Young, Shaw) are just too useless.


P.S With so many good young full backs in the club that AWB deal was so unnecessary.

So we won today

I don even forget say we get game to play today.

Ole is a very intelligent scam. Every time the pressure is mounting he manages to win a game or 2 to ease the pressure then go back to default. Uselessness.

I can't be deceived 4- 0 or 10- 0 against Liverpool or any other too team will not allow me consider this guy for anything right now.

Rubbish!!

afrodoc2:


You are talking stats, i am talking game play. Ability to switch play from side to side fluidly. Ability to consistently pass in between the lines. That is where our midfield is lacking. They move the ball too slowly and end up making the safe pass most of the time.


According to whoscored KDB played 36 out of 37 EPL games in central midfield in 17/18 season, 10 out 19 EPL last season, and even 16 out of 34 as far back as 16/17 season. So that your assertion is false anyway.

1. I did not bring any stats to my comment. It is you who even brought stats.

2. Fred passes the ball between the lines. I see that a lot even from last season. Most times, the rest players dont understand what he is trying to do because they were not used to such. McTominay plays fast. Only Matic and Pogna that are slow. The other day I watch Liverpool, they played slower than United midfilders. Mane even had to drop to carry the ball with speed forward.

3. In your stats of KDB, did you separate CAM from the CM position? This season alone he has played 6 times in CAM

afrodoc2:


Yes he is LIMITED by his age. He is not as good as he once was. He was mainly a mediocre winger for us but became a decent full back, and his days are numbered.
He was better and showed more potential at Villa.

As for Williams i wanted a more gradual introduction but the senior ones (Young, Shaw) are just too useless.


P.S With so many good young full backs in the club that AWB deal was so unnecessary.

Without him, we might be down down the table.