Youthleader22:
Why is the word antichrist scaring you?

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Are you pschic?
Or you see me in your crystal ball looking scared ni, hmm?
Have you not heard of 2 Timothy 1:7's "For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." ni?

Youthleader22:
Jesus owns the Church so if you being antichristian that simply means you are an antichrist

Ecclesia or ekklesia, thats the church for your sake, is the bride of Christ, and Jesus, fyi mister Youthleader22 sire, wants to present to Himself, ekklesia in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless, but unfortunately, wherever God, erects a house of worship and/or prayer, the Devil, in no time, quickly builds a chapel always there.

Youthleader22:
Or you don't know who you are anymore?

There used to be one poster like this, but now long gone, who behaves like a "jawando" goat that turns up on threads without a rope string on. I hope you arent trying to adopt this poster's style, hmm?

Antichristian is someone's monicker. Read the post you quoted again.

Youthleader22:


Why is the word antichrist scaring you? Jesus owns the Church so if you being antichristian that simply means you are an antichrist. Or you don't know who you are anymore?

"Though AntiChristian, yet deep down and inside knows the Gospel, hence the freudian slip, lol, that you noticed Ranchhoddas "

Don't be offended @ MuttleyLaff, l guess he didn't quite understand your post

MuttleyLaff:
You better start beginning to explain yourself with this your not thinking through properly and misguided comment what you mean by it

Bodydialect57:
"Though AntiChristian, yet deep down and inside knows the Gospel, hence the freudian slip, lol, that you noticed Ranchhoddas "
Don't be offended @ MuttleyLaff, l guess he didn't quite understand your post

The typical Matthew 5:9's peacemaker as usual. Thank you ma'am for your kindness. I wasnt at all offended tbh. The repeated thrice emoticons were just showing the level of how I disapproved of the opinion

If White people are like Africans, if Africans are like Nigerians and if all Nigerians are like African- Christians the world will still remain in the dark ages where the Church will continue to believe that Earth is at the center of Solar system etc.
Christians are the problems of Nigeria...Dr Oladele Genesis

Olavic7:

BIG beyond measure, that even the kingdom of hell could not comprehend.

Give me the address

Jgr8ola:


Multitudes came to Jesus....they couldn't be numbered Mat. 5:1-2

U can ask ur imam for further clarification.

The multitude that came to Jesus ain't in a church!

Let ya pastor cure your medulla!

shadeyinka:

You can't help but expose your dummy like faculty in reasoning.

GOSPEL was not a revelation neither is it a BOOK, it is a message. Gospel an old English word for Evangelio a Greek word meaning "GOOD NEWS"!

Gospel (/ˈɡɒspəl/) is the Old English translation of Greek εὐαγγέλιον, meaning "good news". ... The written accounts of the life and teaching of Jesus are also generally known as "Gospels".

FYI,
Only the Qur'an was revealed/dictated. If you know any other scripture that is dictated, let me know!

How were the two 10 commandments revealed?

grandiose4ever:
I had a thought recently about the Nigerian religious space and economy and I feel sad that Nigeria is not exploiting the benefits of christianedom enough.

One can choose to look Churches from two angles as a govt. A charity or special subset of the service sector - in most cases it should be viewed as Charity. In some other cases it can help if viewed as a service. As a charity it should be tax free, as a service it should pay taxes(5% - 10%) and improve economy.

Since Churches seem to have very strong liquidity and cash flow from foreign countries - they can be encouraged to venture into other areas of the economy.

Case study: when govt liberated higher education and allowed new entrants. Winners Chapel obtained a license in 2002 for Covenant and within 20 years overtook Nigeria's first University of Ibadan founded in 1945.

I have a feeling if they ventured into healthcare and other sectors they would equally succeed.

Simply because people that go to churches will rather pay tithes to their pastor rather than pay taxes to the government even though Jesus said give onto Caesar's what is Caeser's and give to Rome what is Rome's.

AntiChristian:


How were the two 10 commandments revealed?

See massive ignorance unveiled!?
The 10 commandments is a book?
When did the Torah become reduced to ten commandments?

And to answer your question!
1. God wrote the first
2. Moses wrote the second
Only in the case of the Mormon and Islam would an "angel" dictate your scriptures!

grandiose4ever:
Breaking:

Bishop Oyedepo Announces Plans to Plant 1

*Now to spend extra N900 million ($2.5 million) on pastors monthly salaries above January 2019.


Bishop David Oyedepo announced in December 2019 that Winners Chapel planted 5,082 churches and employed 6,000 full time pastors over these churches in 2019 with a consequent N300 million increase in the Church budget.Church Gist.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1910646359079226&id=444807728996437

EMPLOY PASTORS!! did Jesus Christ employ his apostles Choi nothing we will not hear....for a point of correction one is meant to anoint or ordain a minister of God not emoloy

desiredhome:

One thing I have discovered about your types is even in the face of truth you still defend your opressors. Shows how poverty/greed have ravaged the brains/minds of a lot of you.
If in a program in your same church when an altercall is made for people looking for job and over 50% of the congregation troops out for prayers who are you deceiving? I talk with evidence because I live among your members....
You people are just delusional.

Altar call for jobs?
Find somewhere to sit.

MuttleyLaff:
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Why wouldnt I talk of poverty capital hmm? Was it not you who first started with that your proof-texting Zechariah 1:17, erhn? Abi you dont know what's in Zechariah 1:17 ni?

If winners chapel was a country would it be the poverty capital of the world.
Oyedepo has prophesied that winners chapel will be stronger than nations, the IMF, the Paris Club etc. Watch out.
They are probably already stronger than countries like Chad self, who know. They don't borrow to do anything.

Yes, and its not rocket science to know why. Of course isnt it because of the foreign exchange ni, no?

Apparently it is rocket science to me. It is the gospel being spread to nations of the earth.

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There is nothing like covenant prosperity principles, as taught by Oyedepo. It is a sham, all na wash. Please Ranchhoddas, tell me what director or CEO of any company has Oyedepo ever being, lol?

He did not get his knowledge from being the CEO or attending any business school. It is revelatory.

He got it on March 22, 1982. God's prosperity covenant with Abraham.

My guy, abeggy, no one is shifting any goal post anywhere, the truth be told, Oyedepo is prospering on the back of the sweat, tears, blood and guts of suckers, dangling a carrot, tied to a stick, and stretched out in from of them, lol. It is Oyedepo plc, that is prospering, and if we are not going to deceive ourselves Ranchhoddas, we would admit that not even up to 5-10% of Winners Chapel's congregation are really and truly prospering. That percentage is me, just being kind and generous

I would agree with you if you can show me one person who followed the principles as laid out by Oyedepo that is not prospering.

The covenant cannot be broken. Jeremiah 33.
Also obtained via revelation.

So what, if using uninterrupted power since 1989. It only indicates, Oyedepo is a good at managing and/or using other people's resources so far there's is personal and/or lucrative financial benefit in it for him.

Honestly look at Oyedepo's life, does he look like someone who is living large off the sweat of others. Everything he does is church related. He doesn't go on vacations for God's sake. You can always tell where he is all the time. Nothing outside church business. Nothing.

The lesson to learn is from the first republic, where and when the best civil service in African was from the Western region of Nigeria. There was free education from primary up to tertiary level. There was free health care and were pipe borne water. I grew up with water from the water corporation coming out of our taps. Sadly not anymore. I experienced 24 hours uninterrupted power/light/electricity when growing up before it turned epileptic and then total darkness

The lesson to learn is from winners chapel. Making things work in 2020.

shadeyinka:

See massive ignorance unveiled!?
The 10 commandments is a book?
When did the Torah become reduced to ten commandments?

And to answer your question!
1. God wrote the first
2. Moses wrote the second
Only in the case of the Mormon and Islam would an "angel" dictate your scriptures!

Yeah, I think I agree i'm ignorant. Your Lord didn't reveal anything nor inspire anybody! Na humans wrote whatever they thought form hearsays!

Don't blame my ignorance! Mr Luke don talk am finish! Just leave us with our Angelic revelations!
Luke 1vs 1-4
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

He started with "Many..." Mr. Luke was an historian and a writer. No inspiration! I wonder who the others are? Paul? Matthew? Mark? John?....

AntiChristian:


Yeah, I think I agree i'm ignorant. Your Lord didn't reveal anything nor inspire anybody! Na humans wrote whatever they thought form hearsays!

Don't blame my ignorance! Mr Luke don talk am finish! Just leave us with our Angelic revelations!
Luke 1vs 1-4
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

He started with "Many..." Mr. Luke was an historian and a writer. No inspiration! I wonder who the others are? Paul? Matthew? Mark? John?....

Of course!
The scriptures had always been a chronicle not a dictation.

God had never dictated any of the earlier revealed scriptures. If you know of just one of the scriptures you are told to believe in that was dictated please let us know or keep quiet.

An unlettered man thought that the "Word of God" means God speaking "books" to man and he composed his own of a being who speaks and understands only one language!

shadeyinka:

Of course!
The scriptures had always been a chronicle not a dictation.

God had never dictated any of the earlier revealed scriptures. If you know of just one of the scriptures you are told to believe in that was dictated please let us know or keep quiet.

An unlettered man thought that the "Word of God" means God speaking "books" to man and he composed his own of a being who speaks and understands only one language!

Sorry! He never thought! Scriptures were revealed to Prophets and were written down! How many languages did Jesus understand & speak throughout his entire life?

We believe in revelations from God to Prophets to guide mankind! The Injeel, Torah, Zabur, Qur'an and the Book of Abraham are examples!

AntiChristian:


Sorry! He never thought! Scriptures were revealed to Prophets and were written down! How many languages did Jesus understand & speak throughout his entire life?

We believe in revelations from God to Prophets to guide mankind! The Injeel, Torah, Zabur, Qur'an and the Book of Abraham are examples!

Anyone can believe anything including falsehood.

Look at the illogicality of your position. You claim to believe in books you don't even know the content. Does that make sense to you?
Unfortunately the Injeel, Torah and Zabur prove you otherwise. Except you have evidence that they were dictated as the Qur'an.

shadeyinka:

Anyone can believe anything including falsehood.

Look at the illogicality of your position. You claim to believe in books you don't even know the content. Does that make sense to you?
Unfortunately the Injeel, Torah and Zabur prove you otherwise. Except you have evidence that they were dictated as the Qur'an.

Where is the Injeel and others?

AntiChristian:

Give me the address

mathew 16:18-19 On this rock will i buid my church and no power of hell will pravail against it.

Olavic7:

mathew 16:18-19 On this rock will i buid my church and no power of hell will pravail against it.

Where is the rock?

And did he build the Church or it was Proverbial?

AntiChristian:


Where is the Injeel and others?

You tell me!
Aren't you supposed to Believe in it?

shadeyinka:

You tell me!
Aren't you supposed to Believe in it?

Of cos we do believe it existed but got lost as time goes by. Revelations are revealed for certain people. Moses had his nation! David, Abraham and Jesus too. Muhammad is the final in this regard. The previous scriptures are lost.

AntiChristian:


Of cos we do believe it existed but got lost as time goes by. Revelations are revealed for certain people. Moses had his nation! David, Abraham and Jesus too. Muhammad is the final in this regard. The previous scriptures are lost.

The nation of shadeyinka is Nigeria
The Nation of Obasanjo is Nigeria
The Nation of Tarawa Balewa is Nigeria

The nation of Moses was Israel
The nation of David was Israel
The Nation of Jesus was Israel
Abraham gave birth to Isaac who fathered Jacob (Yacub) whose name is also Israel (who gave birth to the twelf tribes of Israel)


I understand you. The books got lost is a good explanation if and only if Muslims (you) can tell us
1. When they got lost
2. How they got lost.
Please clearly answer the two questions above to earn a respect.

To help you out, the Tawrat contain five books. So you may tell us when each one of them disappeared and who stole them.

shadeyinka:

The nation of shadeyinka is Nigeria
The Nation of Obasanjo is Nigeria
The Nation of Tarawa Balewa is Nigeria

The nation of Moses was Israel
The nation of David was Israel
The Nation of Jesus was Israel
Abraham gave birth to Isaac who fathered Jacob (Yacub) whose name is also Israel (who gave birth to the twelf tribes of Israel)


I understand you. The books got lost is a good explanation if and only if Muslims (you) can tell us
1. When they got lost
2. How they got lost.
Please clearly answer the two questions above to earn a respect.

The time period of those Prophets are not the same. I don't think i need to know how/when they got lost since the people they were sent to are dead themself!

AntiChristian:


The time period of those Prophets are not the same. I don't think i need to know how/when they got lost since the people they were sent to are dead themself!

See, the lack of reasoning and intelligence about a conjecture Islam has made up.

If I tell you that the Naira you are spending is FAKE, then you will do well by answering those question. Of course it will be a height of stupidity for me to insist that "I need not know how the Naira is fake: all I know is that it is fake"

See how you are willing to lie in support of Allah!?

Let me help you out maybe it will jog your memory as per when:
1. What does Quran 5:43 (Al-Ma'ida) say?

2. Let me find a Hadith for you. It might remind you of when the Torah was lost.

Hadith Abu Dawood
Book 38, Number 4434

Even prophet Mohammad will not open his mouth to lie like you "learned scholars" of nowadays!

shadeyinka:

See, the lack of reasoning and intelligence about a conjecture Islam has made up.

If I tell you that the Naira you are spending is FAKE, then you will do well by answering those question. Of course it will be a height of stupidity for me to insist that "I need not know how the Naira is fake: all I know is that it is fake"

See how you are willing to lie in support of Allah!?

Let me help you out maybe it will jog your memory as per when:
1. What does Quran 5:43 (Al-Ma'ida) say?

2. Let me find a Hadith for you. It might remind you of when the Torah was lost.

Hadith Abu Dawood
Book 38, Number 4434

Even prophet Mohammad will not open his mouth to lie like you "learned scholars" of nowadays!

1. I never call myself a learned scholar!

2. You mentioned Quran 5:43, but you neglected the context of the verses!

What was the context?

3. Yes, We believe in the Torah as I said But where is this Torah now?

The oldest Arabic Torah as far as I know is called Mt. Sinai Arabic Codex 151, Which was created in AD 867!

The Prophet died around 632 AD!

So it is still lost!

Biafrarep:
No problem. Other continents are making exploits in technology, health, research etc and in the process reducing poverty, disease, societal ills to make humanity a better place but what do we have in Africa? Highly religious people that are ironically very far from God!
All we are after here is how to build the highest capacity church/mosque, plant the most church/mosque branches, wasting money and man hours while enriching Saudi Arabia in the name of pilgrimage, killing others everyday in the name of honoring some god, wasting man hours in the name of crusades/revivals/night vigils etc yet evil continues to soar across the land.

We have become the world's poverty capital for a reason!
We are today housing the world's two deadliest terror groups for a reason!
We are today suffering all manner of crises for a reason!
We are doomed going forward because we have refused to evolve like normal humans!
According to Charles Darwin's theory, those that fail to evolve will ultimately go extinct and their is no doubt we are already going extinct!
Bible warned us that people die because of lack of knowledge yet we have refused to be reasonable!

We are already poverty stricken but these stinkingly rich pastors keep warning us of Doom befalling us if we refuse to hand over 10% of our widow's might to them!!

They can build 1 million churches, buy 10 private jets, and enjoy their heaven while still here on Earth but promise us our own heaven when we die.

God have mercy on us and deliver us from ignorance and lack of knowledge!!!

I agree with your assertion. Well said.

AntiChristian:


1. I never call myself a learned scholar!

scholar in quote!

AntiChristian:

2. You mentioned Quran 5:43, but you neglected the context of the verses!

What was the context?

I believe the words of Allah in the Qur'an are unambiguous and easy to understand. Allah's words here is similar to the report in Hadith by Abu Dawood Book 38, 4434. Where Jews come to Mohammad for Judgement in their own cases where the Torah was clear

Now hear what the almighty Allah said:
Q 5:43
But how is it that they come to you for judgement while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah ? Then they turn away, [even] after that; but those are not [in fact] believers

Did Allah say While the Torah was lost!?

AntiChristian:

3. Yes, We believe in the Torah as I said But where is this Torah now?

The oldest Arabic Torah as far as I know is called Mt. Sinai Arabic Codex 151, Which was created in AD 867!

The Prophet died around 632 AD!

So it is still lost!

See how a lying spirit has possessed you.

Oldest Arabic Torah!?
Why did you conveniently omit the Hebrew or Aramaic Torah? Taqiya!?
Is it by force to lie. Was the Torah originally in Arabic?

Even the Hadith I quoted for you show that your master Mohammed know the truth even though he couldn't read neither Hebrew not Arabic scripts.

Why do you like hiding under a pretext that information about Islam is scarce to all except Muslims

Abu Dawood Book 38, 4434
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.
He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you...... Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted.


See how your lies and misinformation is exposed by two simple Islamic texts. Very soon now you'll be saying it's a weak Hadith or the Quranic passage has been abrogated!
SMH

Find another lie.
When did the Torah get lost and how?

Expert17:


Ur One(1) naira is not in Living Faith church.....so stop ranting..........

He shud build Factories,....... How have u help ur own family HV u employed a single soul b4....

So keep crying

Unreasonable sentiments. U must be a girl teenager because a man cannot reply me like this

Ranchhoddas:
Altar call for jobs?
Find somewhere to sit.

Is there no such a time in your Church/Churches where your pastor call out those looking for job to come out for prayers? comparing the number of people that comes out and your claim that all of your members are rich tells how you've been brainwashed.