Should women become pastors?

The Bible draws a connection between the home and the church. Just as there is a role distinction at home—where the husband is called to lead the family—there is also one at church.

At home men are proving their fitness to be elders (pastors), and at church they are the ones who are given that role. Paul says explicitly, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man" (1 Timothy 2:12). And those two functions—teaching and exercising authority—are the functions of the elder.

It's not a problem for a woman to minister in hundreds of ways in the church, but the office of leadership and teaching of men is preserved for spiritual and godly men.

Why didn't Jesus choose women as some of his apostles?

The Twelve are all men. That was intentional, because they are all given incredible authority to found the church. They are like pastors, only they have more authority than pastors.

But Jesus did call women, and he called them into significant ministry. Read the beginning of Luke 8 or see the role of women at the Resurrection. Jesus broke significant taboos in the way that he elevated the role of women. It was counter-cultural to have Mary sitting at his feet learning like a rabbinic student at the feet of his teacher. And it was counter-cultural for him to have women so closely attending him, providing for his needs, and for him to be so merciful to the women of the street.

Jesus was pro-woman to the max. But he did not choose women to be apostles. That wasn't because he was enslaved to his times. It was because, in coherence with the rest of the Bible (Genesis 1-2, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 11, and 1 Timothy 2), he believed that it would be healthy for the church and the family if men assumed the role of Christ-like, humble, caring, servant-leaders, and if the women came in alongside with their respective gifts to help carry his leadership through according to those gifts.

So I sympathize with any confusion on this matter, and I pray that the Lord would give you light to see that it's really not very complicated: God has ordained that in the home and in the church men assume a special role of responsible leadership and teaching.
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women could be evangelists, children or women teachers, but are not appointed as pastors or church leaders by the Lord.

I don't know why we pick bible verses that doesn't say what we claim it's saying and juxtapose modern day doctrine to suit and enforce our church laws. Jesus chose 12 male disciples... he had his reason...he never said those reasons. let's not assume for Jesus


the bible is very clear in Joel chap 2, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh, for prophesying, dreaming, seeing visions...all this gift and many more was further emphasized by Paul in 1corinth 12 that they are for the edification of the body of christ and given as the spirit of God wills...
God ddnt say men only, neither did he say his spirit upon women should be for subordinate or support roles......even Paul who said women shouldn't speak in church but ask their husbands questions at home was speaking to address an issue of humility and order in that context..... because there are non-married women too in church, who should they ask question when they need to?? their neighbors husband or the man selling biscuit down the road??

Paul was extra clear in gal 3v28:: "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

God can use anyone in the body of christ that make himself or herself available.....dont make pastoral role a male exclusive thing

solite3:
women could be evangelists, children or women teachers, but are not appointed as pastors or church leaders by the Lord.

If you're not ready to learn from true Christians, we'll leave you to continue in your delusion and contradictions!

The simple application of what you're reading is all about baptism!
A woman can teach and lead in the Church on just one ground, If there is no baptized male around.
And that's when the woman in question must cover her head as a sign that what she's doing is not a woman's job. 1Corinthians 11:5
During worship, angels are always present as just observers, they're not allowed to say or do anything. But they're not comfortable having a FEMALE taking the lead in sacred services amongst God's people! 1Corinthians 11:10

Women can assist in preaching and teaching unbelievers whether males or females and once such an unbeliever is progressing, his study is given to a competent male to continue conducting the study till baptism! That's why Luke said "when Priscilla and Aquila heard Apollos" that's to say it was Priscilla (a female) who first preached to Apollos then the study was completed by Aquila (her husband)! Act 18:26

That's why Paul added that in the congregation of true Christians, whatever any woman doesn't know about how the congregation is organized, LET HER ASK HER HUSBAND AT HOME {1Corinthians 14:35} she's not regarded as one of the ORGANIZERS!

1StopRudeness:
I don't know why we pick bible verses that doesn't say what we claim it's saying and juxtapose modern day doctrine to suit and enforce our church laws. Jesus chose 12 male disciples... he had his reason...he never said those reasons. let's not assume for Jesus

what you are saying honestly makes no sense. Jesus taught not just by his words only but by his actions as well.
Btw Op or you who is teaching a modern teaching? Your teaching has no place in the bible.

the bible is very clear in Joel chap 2, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh, for prophesying, dreaming, seeing visions...all this gift and many more was further emphasized by Paul in 1corinth 12 that they are for the edification of the body of christ and given as the spirit of God wills...

I smh at your ignorance, you have a twisted and poor grasped of the bible.
What has having spiritual gift got to do with church leadership?

God ddnt say men only, neither did he say his spirit upon women should be for subordinate or support roles......

you have started attacking the word of God and twisting it like the serpent did in the garden of eden. Actually paul spoke God's mind that pastoring the church is for male only.

Who told you women's role is subordinate? It shows you dont even know what kingdom leadership is.

If you cannot submit to God's role, It shows you do not have the spirit of God.

even Paul who said women shouldn't speak in church but ask their husbands questions at home was speaking to address an issue of humility and order in that context..... because there are non-married women too in church, who should they ask question when they need to?? their neighbors husband or the man selling biscuit down the road??

Paul wasnt referring to only married women but women in general.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Paul was extra clear in gal 3v28:: "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

God can use anyone in the body of christ that make himself or herself available.....dont make pastoral role a male exclusive thing

you know nothing but strife over nothing.

The same bible told you God is not a God of confusion
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

While galatians 3vv28 speak of salvation, Timothy and a host of others speak of whom we conduct ourselves in the church in orderly manner.
Men and women has different roles both in the church and family, if you are contentious about it you are on your own.

Maximus69:


If you're not ready to learn from true Christians, we'll leave you to continue in your delusion and contradictions!

The simple application of what you're reading is all about baptism!
A woman can teach and lead in the Church on just one ground, If there is no baptized male around.
And that's when the woman in question must cover her head as a sign that what she's doing is not a woman's job. 1Corinthians 11:5
During worship, angels are always present as just observers, they're not allowed to say or do anything. But they're not comfortable having a FEMALE taking the lead in sacred services amongst God's people! 1Corinthians 11:10

Women can assist in preaching and teaching unbelievers whether males or females and once such an unbeliever is progressing, his study is given to a competent male to continue conducting the study till baptism! That's why Luke said "when Priscilla and Aquila heard Apollos" that's to say it was Priscilla (a female) who first preached to Apollos then the study was completed by Aquila (her husband)! Act 18:26

That's why Paul added that in the congregation of true Christians, whatever any woman doesn't know about how the congregation is organized, LET HER ASK HER HUSBAND AT HOME {1Corinthians 14:35} she's not regarded as one of the ORGANIZERS!

what are you saying?
Op clearly stated a woman cannot be a pastor over the church incase you dont know , a church is not a bunch of unbelievers but a group of believers who are already saved already.
@ bolded who gave sucj condition? Oh I forgot your govening body.

Priscilla was never a pastor but just a regular believer like other Christian.

solite3:
what you are saying honestly makes no sense. Jesus taught not just by his words only but by his actions as well.
Btw Op or you who is teaching a modern teaching? Your teaching has no place in the bible.


I smh at your ignorance, you have a twisted and poor grasped of the bible.
What has having spiritual gift got to do with church leadership?



you have started attacking the word of God and twisting it like the serpent did in the garden of eden. Actually paul spoke God's mind that pastoring the church is for male only.

Who told you women's role is subordinate? It shows you dont even know what kingdom leadership is.

If you cannot submit to God's role, It shows you do not have the spirit of God.


Paul wasnt referring to only married women but women in general.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.





you know nothing but strife over nothing.

The same bible told you God is not a God of confusion
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

While galatians 3vv28 speak of salvation, Timothy and a host of others speak of whom we conduct ourselves in the church in orderly manner.
Men and women has different roles but in the church and family, if you are contentious about it you are on your own.

I don’t know you, but im sorry to say, u are full of arrogance, show off and highly condescending, u keep saying “u know nothing” like that is suppose to make ur points sit well...are u sure it’s the same Bible meant for correction, reprove and instruction u are trying to school me on or one of the books authored urself??
.. no wonder u don’t want a female in the same role as u....u will die of anger and jealousy if a woman is a pastor where u are also a pastor...

Abeg shift...when u drop from ur high horse...mention me again..I’m available to learn

solite3:
what are you saying?
Op clearly stated a woman cannot be a pastor over the church incase you dont know , a church is not a bunch of unbelievers but a group of believers who are already saved already.
@ bolded who gave sucj condition? Oh I forgot your govening body.

Priscilla was never a pastor but just a regular believer like other Christian.

What the OP is making up there is just like a THEORY, it could be debated or argued if you fail to provide the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're saying for everyone to see the undeniable BENEFITS!

What i'm saying is "neither you nor those you're trying to correct are Christians!"

It's not to become a matter of debate or argument {1Timothy 64,Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9} whoever decides to stand against well grounded principles after hearing the practical application and the benefits is simply not ready for Christianity. What binds us together as brothers and sisters in the Lord is oneness in thought {Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2} failure to agree is tantamount to LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY)! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why you guys hate Jehovah's Witnesses, because we'll seize to be a part of anything called worship with you afterwards! 2John 9-11

1StopRudeness:


I don’t know you, but im sorry to say, u are full of arrogance, show off and highly condescending, u keep saying “u know nothing” like that is suppose to make ur points sit well...are u sure it’s the same Bible meant for correction, reprove and instruction u are trying to school me on or one of the books authored urself??


. no wonder u don’t want a female in the same role as u....u will die of anger and jealousy if a woman is a pastor where u are also a pastor...

Abeg shift...when u drop from ur high horse...mention me again..I’m available to learn

I had to edit this reply. @ bolded this shows you are confused, did I mention you before?

Maximus69:


What the OP is making up there is just like a THEORY, it could be debated or argued if you fail to provide the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're saying for everyone to see the undeniable BENEFITS!

What i'm saying is "neither you nor those you're trying to correct are Christians!"

It's not to become a matter of debate or argument {1Timothy 64,Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9} whoever decides to stand against well grounded principles after hearing the practical application and the benefits is simply not ready for Christianity. What binds us together as brothers and sisters in the Lord is oneness in thought {Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2} failure to agree is tantamount to LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY)! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why you guys hate Jehovah's Witnesses, because we'll seize to be a part of anything called worship with you afterwards! 2John 9-11

ok you can take your leave

solite3:
ok you can take your leave

Before you say!

Maximus69:


Before you say!

Maximus, Do you care to know the truth from the bible? Do mind if we can have a thread concerning some important topics such as the deity of Jesus, the personhood of the holy Spirit, the existence of heaven and hell, the trinity etc?

solite3:
Maximus, Do you care to know the truth from the bible? Do mind if we can have a thread concerning some important topics such as the deity of Jesus, the personhood of the holy Spirit, the existence of heaven and hell, the trinity etc?

You yourself said

OK, you can take your leave

While i wanted to discuss with you!

So next time THINK BEFORE YOU TALK(TYPE) AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! Proverbs 10:19,17:27 compared to James 1:19

You need humility to learn instead of arguing profusely in support of the teachings that's not yielding any profitable fruit in those religions you're dying to defend! Matthew 7:15-20

Maximus69:


You yourself said

OK, you can take your leave

While i wanted to discuss with you!

So next time THINK BEFORE YOU TALK(TYPE) AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! Proverbs 10:19,17:27 compared to James 1:19

You need humility to learn instead of arguing profusely in support of the teachings that's not yielding any profitable fruit in those religions you're dying to defend! Matthew 7:15-20

not this thread, I do not want you to derail the thread.
You seem heavily brain washed by watch tower hence I extended a hand of help to you.
You can open a thread, so seek for understanding of the bible from true Christians but as for this thread it is better you stop commenting on it.

Solite3 are you actually saying that women can neither be pastor's nor teachers over congregations having men?

Finallydead:
Solite3 are you actually saying that women can neither be pastor's nor teachers over congregations having men?

nope I am not the one that says so but the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

solite3:
women could be evangelists, children or women teachers, but are not appointed as pastors or church leaders by the Lord.

A woman by spiritual gifting could be a Pastor: but pastor in other rights other than over a congregation of married couples.
This is my understanding.

In the case where godly/matured men are not available, God can decide to use a woman as Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist or Pastor

solite3:
not this thread, I do not want you to derail the thread.
You seem heavily brain washed by watch tower hence I extended a hand of help to you.
You can open a thread, so seek for understanding of the bible from true Christians but as for this thread it is better you stop commenting on it.

I'll prefer to be a slave where there is clarification rather than the prince in confusion!

If you believe the Watchtower is brainwashing us, then prove it by your WORKS not just accusing fingers! James 2:18-26
They claimed to be the one and only Christian group on planet earth and they're changing people who were former killers to peace lovers, hostile people to friendly neighbours, intolerant to mild tempered, street fighters and protesters to gentle easygoing citizens, hopeless people with desperation to faithful worshipers with bright hope of a wonderful future.

Over 8,500,000 million people globally have vowed never to make, buy, sell or handle destructive weapons of any sort. Throughout the earth all those who come under their teachings take themselves as one big and happy family of peace loving worshippers. Yet you're saying you who can't even find any spiritual family of that sort have Jesus the Prince of Peace!

Haba stop this joke nah, it's just too expensive!

shadeyinka:

A woman by spiritual gifting could be a Pastor: but pastor in other rights other than over a congregation of married couples.
This is my understanding.

this shouldnt be based on our underatanding or else we exalt our logic over the word of God. Having a Spiritual gift does not mean she could be a pastor.
The issue is not about married people, but men on general, a woman is not to exercise authority over a man whether the man is married or not otherwise we topple God's arrangement.

In the case where godly/matured men are not available, God can decide to use a woman as Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist or Pastor

God will always provide a godly man to take over the leadership.
The apostles because there were no qualified men cast lot to chose mattias to replace Judas iscariot but God had a different plan, he chosed paul. God does not do something that contradict's his word.

solite3:
this shouldnt be based on our underatanding or else we exalt our logic over the word of God. Having a Spiritual gift does not mean she could be a pastor.
The issue is not about married people, but men on general, a woman is not to exercise authority over a man whether the man is married or not otherwise we topple God's arrangement.

God will always provide a godly man to take over the leadership.
The apostles because there were no qualified men cast lot to chose mattias to replace Judas iscariot but God had a different plan, he chosed paul. God does not do something that contradict's his word.

When a man stay too much in the city, he thinks life starts and end with city life.

I haven't said anything different from what the scripture has said.

If you have an objection, it can only be because you believe that
1. A woman cannot have the spiritual gifting of the office of Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, Prophet and Apostle.
2. A teenage boy is equivalent to a man. Hence it will be illegal for a woman to pastor such.

BTW:
I have a woman missionary friend. She ministers to some villages in the Niger Republic. She, in many cases act in the office of Apostle, Teacher, Pastor and Evangelist over men in several villages. Her disciples constitute the Church of Christ as she does her best in the power of the Holy Ghost in building mainly former Animists and Muslims to the nurture of Christ. She doesn't own any of these "congregations". When they become mature, she hands them to the nearest church ministry who then officially send pastors to those churches while she moves on.

Don't let us be like the Pharisees! They exalt the scripture so much that they forget that the scriptures isn't the letters but the Spirit of God perfecting Holiness through His words.

1 Corinthians 12:28-31
KJV:Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29
KJV:Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30
KJV:Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31
KJV:But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

From the Bible passage above we can see that the office of a Prophet,Apostle, Teacher is not gender specific. This also correlate with the Bible passage below.

So therefore a woman, can be a pastor, teacher, apostle, evangelist etc.

Ephesians 4:10-13
KJV:He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12
KJV:For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13
KJV:Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

My own take on this matter is that a woman should not assume the role of a general overseer/Bishop/Senior leader in a church thereby making her have a total and complete authority of the church administration.

BTW the head of a church is not a Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Teacher etc. The Bishop or general overseer is the head. In this position he can also have the gift or play the role of a Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Teacher etc.

I am open for correction.

Thanks.

God bless.

solite3:

I had to edit this reply. @ bolded this shows you are confused, did I mention you before?

Did u jump into my mention??
Really??
are u not the same solite3?? This is funny

shadeyinka:

When a man stay too much in the city, he thinks life starts and end with city life.

I haven't said anything different from what the scripture has said.

If you have an objection, it can only be because you believe that
1. A woman cannot have the spiritual gifting of the office of Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, Prophet and Apostle.
2. A teenage boy is equivalent to a man. Hence it will be illegal for a woman to pastor such.

BTW:
I have a woman missionary friend. She ministers to some villages in the Niger Republic. She, in many cases act in the office of Apostle, Teacher, Pastor and Evangelist over men in several villages. Her disciples constitute the Church of Christ as she does her best in the power of the Holy Ghost in building mainly former Animists and Muslims to the nurture of Christ. She doesn't own any of these "congregations". When they become mature, she hands them to the nearest church ministry who then officially send pastors to those churches while she moves on.

Don't let us be like the Pharisees! They exalt the scripture so much that they forget that the scriptures isn't the letters but the Spirit of God perfecting Holiness through His words.

the pharisee do not honor the word of God but only pay lip service to it, infact they honor their so traditions above the word of God.


Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

When we disobey God's commandment because of tradition or modern philosophy or movement or our opinion or views that is when we become like the pharisees.

God said children should honor their father and mother but the pharisees set it aside using some baseless grounds and excuses just the same way he does set order for the church but churches set it aside because of their views.
Does Jesus not have right to govern his church?why must we challenge his Lordship because of our views, did anyone of us die for the church

No man can lay any foundation except that which christ has laid which is on his word, when we follow our imaginations or views then we on our own.


1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 16 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

The commandment of God is not for dissection or dispute.

1StopRudeness:
I don't know why we pick bible verses that doesn't say what we claim it's saying and juxtapose modern day doctrine to suit and enforce our church laws. Jesus chose 12 male disciples... he had his reason...he never said those reasons. let's not assume for Jesus


the bible is very clear in Joel chap 2, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh, for prophesying, dreaming, seeing visions...all this gift and many more was further emphasized by Paul in 1corinth 12 that they are for the edification of the body of christ and given as the spirit of God wills...
God ddnt say men only, neither did he say his spirit upon women should be for subordinate or support roles......even Paul who said women shouldn't speak in church but ask their husbands questions at home was speaking to address an issue of humility and order in that context..... because there are non-married women too in church, who should they ask question when they need to?? their neighbors husband or the man selling biscuit down the road??

Paul was extra clear in gal 3v28:: "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

God can use anyone in the body of christ that make himself or herself available.....dont make pastoral role a male exclusive thing

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions Joel 2:28

I wonder where the old women or young women are?

Maybe only daughters in their fathers house shall prophesy... Wait they are also under their father. Like in Philip's house

But but we - I mean you - should not claim what the bible blah blah blah

Does prophesying and teaching/instructing mean the same thing to you

shadeyinka:

If you have an objection, it can only be because you believe that
1. A woman cannot have the spiritual gifting of the office of Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, Prophet and Apostle.


2. A teenage boy is equivalent to a man. Hence it will be illegal for a woman to pastor such.

(1) There are women who are gifted in discernment and intellect but God's holy spirit says

"NO!"

Females aren't allowed to lead males in worship!

Throughout the Hebrew/Aramaic Scripture (Old Testament) you can't find a single female priest in God's arrangement!

Jesus chose TWELVE Apostles no single female, after the demise of Judas Iscariot God's holy spirit still directed the Christians to appoint another Apostle to take over the Apostolic possession of Judas AND IT WAS A MALE!

Apostle Paul made it clear in his letters to the Churches of the nations that women are not allowed to lead God's congregation, this is due to the fact that those nations do have priestesses in their own former worship, so Paul quickly send them letters that it's not so with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

(2)Teenagers are children, their mothers can teach them God's word AT HOME, for instance Timothy became an ELDER in the first century Christian Congregation.
But who taught him God's word from infancy?
It was his Jewish mother and grandmother! 2Timothy 1:5 compared to 3:14-15

So this good women have the responsibility to assist their husbands inculcating God's word in their son's and daughters! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

But in the midst of BAPTIZED Christians (qualified men) all the women are to remain SILENT! 1Timothy 2:12

Because God is the Supreme Head, Jesus heads God's congregation, while men heads women! 1Corinthians 11:3

That is the reason you're seeing that sanity, orderliness and PEACE reign in the midst of TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)! 1Corinthians 14:33

solite3:
the pharisee do not honor the word of God but only pay lip service to it, infact they honor their so traditions above the word of God.


Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

When we disobey God's commandment because of tradition or modern philosophy or movement or our opinion or views that is when we become like the pharisees.

God said children should honor their father and mother but the pharisees set it aside using some baseless grounds and excuses just the same way he does set order for the church but churches set it aside because of their views.
Does Jesus not have right to govern his church?why must we challenge his Lordship because of our views, did anyone of us die for the church

No man can lay any foundation except that which christ has laid which is on his word, when we follow our imaginations or views then we on our own.


1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 16 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

The commandment of God is not for dissection or dispute.

But I gave an example of a missionary friend of mine. Should she stop ministering?

Note that
1. I didn't say women should have authority over men in the church.
2. I have only pointed out exceptions for the letters kill
3. If we must follow the letters strictly (like the Pharisees who will give a tithe of salt) the implication is that
a. Some spiritual gifts/offices are not given to women such as Apostle, Teacher, Pastor and Prophet.
4. In the mission fields, we see lots of exceptions. In the formal church, a woman MUST NOT lead the church.

1StopRudeness:
I don't know why we pick bible verses that doesn't say what we claim it's saying and juxtapose modern day doctrine to suit and enforce our church laws. Jesus chose 12 male disciples... he had his reason...he never said those reasons.

God arranged his words to be written in a way that we can learn through the history and the order of writing!

After the name of the first woman (Eve) God's word remain SILENT about the names of FEMALES!
Unless a female does something noteworthy, her name won't be mentioned.
For instance, What is the name of
Cain's wife, Noah's wife, his son's wives?
Jacob had twelve sons, only Diana's name appeared because something bad happened through her misconduct!
Joseph and Mary had sons and daughters after Jesus, but what's the name of Jesus' sisters?

Well all these serves as examples for us to learn that women aren't supposed to hold prominent posts in pure worship as long as there are qualified men! Romans 15:4, 1Corinthians 10:11, 2Peter 1:19

Jesus appointed only males as Apostles because he came to FULFILL ALL THAT'S WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD and not to abolish it! Matthew 5:17

So he need not tell us everything since we are to learn through his thoughts, words and action, No wonder Apostle Paul could say "NOBODY KNEW GOD'S MIND, BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST (Jesus) {1Corinthians 2:16} because he live in their midst so they can deduce what he had in mind through his THOUGHTS, WORDS and ACTIONS!

BlueAngel444:


And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions Joel 2:28

I wonder where the old women or young women are?

Maybe only daughters in their fathers house shall prophesy... Wait they are also under their father. Like in Philip's house

But but we - I mean you - should not claim what the bible blah blah blah

Does prophesying and teaching/instructing mean the same thing to you

by urself u wrote sons daughters, yet you are asking me where are the young women? are daughters not equal to young women....is it not the Young women that will become old..??..
when I said we should not pick a verse and say what it ddnt even say: I was refering to the OPs claim that becos Jesus chose 12 male disciples means women can't become pastors...that's a very long conclusion from Jesus' decision of selecting male followers....
To ur last question, I don't know what the question even means or its relevance in this context of disscusion...but to answer your prophesying and teaching isn't the same, I only mentioned prophesying in Joel cos the spirit of God was mentioned there by God himself and Paul let us know also in 1cor 12 that the same spirit of God is the source of all spiritual expression in all Christians including prophesying which are all for the edification of the body christ...

where u got "teaching" from in ur question and it's comparison to prophesying is what I don't get in ur question...

CaveAdullam:
1 Corinthians 12:28-31
KJV:Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29
KJV:Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
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KJV:Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31
KJV:But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

From the Bible passage above we can see that the office of a Prophet,Apostle, Teacher is not gender specific. This also correlate with the Bible passage below.

A woman can be a minister, a preacher of the good news to unbelievers. She can also be a prophetess. But these gifts from the spirit does not mean being a Pastor - a shepherd in the congregation. This is reserved for the men. (1Tim 3)

So therefore a woman, can be a pastor, teacher, apostle, evangelist etc.

Ephesians 4:10-13
KJV:He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12
KJV:For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13
KJV:Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Check verse 8. You ll see that Suh gift as pastor is for men.

My own take on this matter is that a woman should not assume the role of a general overseer/Bishop/Senior leader in a church thereby making her have a total and complete authority of the church administration.

BTW the head of a church is not a Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Teacher etc. The Bishop or general overseer is the head. In this position he can also have the gift or play the role of a Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Teacher etc.

I am open for correction.

Thanks.

God bless.

Overseer is overseer. An overseer is still an elder/pastor. The scripture does not allow women to shoulder that responsibility.

JMAN05:

A woman can be a minister, a preacher of the good news to unbelievers. She can also be a prophetess. But these gifts from the spirit does not mean being a Pastor - a shepherd in the congregation. This is reserved for the men. (1Tim 3)
Check verse 8. You ll see that Suh gift as pastor is for men.
Overseer is overseer. An overseer is still an elder/pastor. The scripture does not allow women to shoulder that responsibility.

They want to FORCE their gender equality issue into God's arrangement!

I'm sure if they're opportuned to meet those inspired writers one on one, they will challenge them to be part of INSPIRED WRITERS, since all the 66 books were written BY MALES ONLY!

They'll even protest against exclusion of the names of females who are insignificant!

Maximus69:


God arranged his words to be written in a way that we can learn through the history and the order of writing!

After the name of the first woman (Eve) God's word remain SILENT about the names of FEMALES!
Unless a female does something noteworthy, her name won't be mentioned.
For instance, What is the name of
Cain's wife, Noah's wife, his son's wives?
Jacob had twelve sons, only Diana's name appeared because something bad happened through her misconduct!
Joseph and Mary had sons and daughters after Jesus, but what's the name of Jesus' sisters?

Well all these serves as examples for us to learn that women aren't supposed to hold prominent posts in pure worship as long as there are qualified men! Romans 15:4, 1Corinthians 10:11, 2Peter 1:19

Jesus appointed only males as Apostles because he came to FULFILL ALL THAT'S WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD and not to abolish it! Matthew 5:17

So he need not tell us everything since we are to learn through his thoughts, words and action, No wonder Apostle Paul could say "NOBODY KNEW GOD'S MIND, BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST (Jesus) {1Corinthians 2:16} because he live in their midst so they can deduce what he had in mind through his THOUGHTS, WORDS and ACTIONS!

With all due respect to u Maximus69 cos I’ve learnt one or two stuffs from ur previous post.... this is just another jumping into conclusions..like the ops point that Jesus selected only male followers hence, women can’t be pastors.
With respect to ur point on women not being mentioned unless they did something great or bad....right from the start God mentioned Eve not after she messed up.....

for crying out loud, that’s not a Deliberate action of sidelining women, in those old days females are not known for too many exploits to begin with......Women were reduced to almost nothing In a male dominating environment in the Old days. not counted with population, their roles were almost reduced to wifing and birthing only....hence there was no reason for their names to come up much unless necessary .....
Technically it’s same thing for the men, cos the men mentioned in scriptures were also men who did relevant things or they needed to be mentioned because of their direct or indirect connection with the lineage of Jesus...cos there were so many men not mentioned in scriptures as well....

Till today children are addressed like they belong to their father only, even in western civilized world...we all take our fathers name not mothers..this is not Gods instruction, it’s a human practice of a male dominated world. from biblical times as well, this is the same reason lineages were documented based on fathers name... which is the same for Jesus.... Technically and in reality Joseph isn’t the father of Jesus.. but the lineage of Jesus was traced from Adam to Joseph as his father and not Mary..because fathers name was used a child’s identity and not the mothers in those days.....

Mr Maximus I don’t get how these above serves as examples for us to learn that women aren't supposed to hold prominent post..really I’m not seeing it as a reason.

With respect to ur condition: “qualified men” ...
What does that even mean?...holy men, righteous men, holyspirit filled men?? At the end of the day none of us is perfect or qualified..appointment in churches these days are based on politics...gone are the days holyspirit speaks like when the apostles gather d together in a fast and Paul and barnabas was selected in the book of acts
See.... the creator of the universe in his mercy specializes in bringing his glory out of imperfect vessels and he knows how he uses us all as he wills...no one is qualified not male not female....he saved us all equally, no slave, no free, no more Jews or gentiles, and he pours out his spirit equally..... it’s is those that make them selves available that will be able to run far and make exploits with God’s gift of the holyspirit

Maximus69:


(1) There are women who are gifted in discernment and intellect but God's holy spirit says

"NO!"

Females aren't allowed to lead males in worship!

Throughout the Hebrew/Aramaic Scripture (Old Testament) you can't find a single female priest in God's arrangement!

Jesus chose TWELVE Apostles no single female, after the demise of Judas Iscariot God's holy spirit still directed the Christians to appoint another Apostle to take over the Apostolic possession of Judas AND IT WAS A MALE!

Apostle Paul made it clear in his letters to the Churches of the nations that women are not allowed to lead God's congregation, this is due to the fact that those nations do have priestesses in their own former worship, so Paul quickly send them letters that it's not so with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

(2)Teenagers are children, their mothers can teach them God's word AT HOME, for instance Timothy became an ELDER in the first century Christian Congregation.
But who taught him God's word from infancy?
It was his Jewish mother and grandmother! 2Timothy 1:5 compared to 3:14-15

So this good women have the responsibility to assist their husbands inculcating God's word in their son's and daughters! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

But in the midst of BAPTIZED Christians (qualified men) all the women are to remain SILENT! 1Timothy 2:12

Because God is the Supreme Head, Jesus heads God's congregation, while men heads women! 1Corinthians 11:3

That is the reason you're seeing that sanity, orderliness and PEACE reign in the midst of TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)! 1Corinthians 14:33

I have never said women can head the church nor oversee the church nor have authority over the church of Christ. I have simply stated when exceptions may occur (as David was excepted to eat of the shew bread). The only exception is if there are NO spiritual men (spiritually qualified). Spiritual maturity isn't about being a physical man but being a spiritual man.
That is why Timothy even though being a male was taught by a woman.

If you have objection to the above, Can you please advise this my sister who "was called by God" to minister in places where no Christian presence is available?

I have a woman missionary friend. She ministers to some villages in the Niger Republic. She, in many cases act in the office of Apostle, Teacher, Pastor and Evangelist over men in several villages. Her disciples constitute the Church of Christ as she does her best in the power of the Holy Ghost in building mainly former Animists and Muslims to the nurture of Christ. She doesn't own any of these "congregations". When they become mature, she hands them to the nearest church ministry who then officially send pastors to those churches while she moves on.