teejay231:
Not sure how anyone can understand cloud infrastructure without some basic coding skills. From my experience, every technical position in the UK requires a technical test / assessment to ensure that you can do what you say you can do. Sometimes you can do it at home and other times they want you to do it in their office in front of a few people or as a peering exercise to see how you work with other people.

One thing I have also learned is to never lie or brag on your CV. Better to say you don't know something but willing to learn and focus on what your strengths.

Well sir, one thing with the UK is you gotta brag. There’s no room for humility. If you act small, they will make sure you remain small. The current job I’m doing, I didn’t know much about it, I just did extensive research. It is part of my expertise but I have never done it before. Now see me even being given Lead role in it. I spent train rides reading and watching videos to learn.

It’s about selling yourself finish. But please do your humility way. Also if you say cyber security needs programming, that’s fine. I no argue again. It means the one in my office is foolish (unless of course you’re referring to sql, powershell, and I’ve forgotten the other one, as programming).

jesmond3945:
security is encompassing. people in mathematics are doing it, people in computer are doing it, people in engineering are doing it, people in mgt are doing i. That you are doing https and tls/ssl is not where security begins or ends

Gbam! Our expert that was a BA with no technical knowledge is a cyber expert. That’s why I said I won’t argue.

I am not a cyber security expert but my former cyber security colleague did not know how to program. He encouraged me to become one but I wasn't sure if I'd have the time for the training.
Also, information security is another field that people can go into. And yes you sometimes do not require actual experience of you have the basic foundation, can defend yourself and your CV during interviews and learn fast on the job. I have learnt the hard way in the UK that humility will seldom land you a job. Do not lie but make your job look very big and important.

teejay231:
One of my previous managers didn't have a college degree nor any certifications and he is currently Head of Engineering. It's all about skills and work experience. Almost every engineering position requires a technical assessment, so bluffing in your CV or interview will not help if you don't have the skills.

Sir/ma, this is not particularly true. It may be true for graduate positions or software roles but largely untrue for engineering roles. Except if by technical assessment you mean being asked technical questions in interviews which in most cases is a given. During my interview for my current role, I wasn't really asked any technical question. They just went through my CV with me to see if I have done some of what they wanted me to do. I was then invited for a face to face interview which I thought was going to be technical but they only wanted to see my face and that one lasted about 15mins because I had to ask them several questions to justify my time there.

Gundi:


Lol, boss thanks for the reply, it's just desperation o, I've been getting feedbacks quite alright, and most of them have been saying *thank you for your application, we'll get back to you*, so I just thought maybe using an agent would make it faster, and more efficient. � But, I think I'll just keep applying and wait for a positive response.

And yes, I have checked, my skills fall under shortage occupation list.

Google tier 1 exceptional talent visa. You should be eligible for that but you need someone in the UK to write a reference for you. You don't need a job offer. Once you get a reference from someone in the UK, you can apply to the relevant professional institutions for endorsement. If successful then you apply for your visa. It is cheaper and more flexible than tier 2.

hello seniors,
thank you for your responses
for someone like my spouse who has no knowledge of IT or programming or anything, (actually studied Geography)
what would you suggest?
Msc in Cyber Security with Placement or
Msc in Project Management with Placement
Please note that he would like to switch to tier 2 visa after his course

cc: LagosismyHome, dusytdee, Aphrodite007, justwise, Lexusgs430, fatima04, jesmond3945, everybody

dustydee:

Google tier 1 exceptional talent visa. You should be eligible for that but you need someone in the UK to write a reference for you. You don't need a job offer. Once you get a reference from someone in the UK, you can apply to the relevant professional institutions for endorsement. If successful then you apply for your visa. It is cheaper and more flexible than tier 2.

Wow, great .. I'll do just that, thank you so much for the response.

whuzmhan:
hello seniors,
thank you for your responses
for someone like my spouse who has no knowledge of IT or programming or anything, (actually studied Geography)
what would you suggest?
Msc in Cyber Security with Placement or
Msc in Project Management with Placement
Please note that he would like to switch to tier 2 visa after his course

cc: LagosismyHome, dusytdee, Aphrodite007, justwise, Lexusgs430, fatima04, jesmond3945, everybody

For me, MSc in project management is a waste of time and resources, you do not need a degree for that. Cyber security or data science is a good one.

dustydee:

For me, MSc in project management is a waste of time and resources, you do not need a degree for that. Cyber security or data science is a good one.

thank you for your prompt response

dustydee:

For me, MSc in project management is a waste of time and resources, you do not need a degree for that. Cyber security or data science is a good one.

Absolute waste of resources. Nobody even use that methodology they are teaching anymore. Just go and do agile PMP and agile Prince2

Mimzyy:
Thanks a lot sis.

I am not done with you yet.

Wait for my 8 pm thread today.

whuzmhan:
hello seniors,
thank you for your responses
for someone like my spouse who has no knowledge of IT or programming or anything, (actually studied Geography)
what would you suggest?
Msc in Cyber Security with Placement or
Msc in Project Management with Placement
Please note that he would like to switch to tier 2 visa after his course

cc: LagosismyHome, dusytdee, Aphrodite007, justwise, Lexusgs430, fatima04, jesmond3945, everybody

Project management would not have been bad but I think it highly saturated these days . Cyber security while in itself is not bad..... some jobs you go in mainly when you have relevant work experience as well to support it

whuzmhan:
hello seniors,
thank you for your responses
for someone like my spouse who has no knowledge of IT or programming or anything, (actually studied Geography)
what would you suggest?
Msc in Cyber Security with Placement or
Msc in Project Management with Placement
Please note that he would like to switch to tier 2 visa after his course

cc: LagosismyHome, dusytdee, Aphrodite007, justwise, Lexusgs430, fatima04, jesmond3945, everybody

If it must be between these two: Project management with placement. You still need IT background to blag well at interviews. With PM, although he doesn’t need a degree for it, he has a chance of being more than a PM after some years of experience.

He can even mix the geo and PM and land in an oil company if he keeps improving on his geo knowledge.

However, I wouldn’t advice doing it as a degree unless he wants to use study to enter UK. You can do a Prince2 in naija, get certified and that’s all. Cos even with the PM degree, you must still get a prince to become ordinary PMO assistant in some places.

dustydee:

For me, MSc in project management is a waste of time and resources, you do not need a degree for that. Cyber security or data science is a good one.

Very true but why get a degree that you can’t defend. If the guy is able to sell himself well as being better than someone with just a certification, he may end up in a very good place. But that cyber security from Geo, e get as e be- the culture shock will be great

Aphrodite007:


Very true but why get a degree that you can’t defend. If the guy is able to sell himself well as being better than someone with just a certification, he may end up in a very good place. But that cyber security from Geo, e get as e be- the culture shock will be great

My colleague studied something close to history although he was into networking before moving to cyber security (He did an MSc too).

Probably some cyber security roles may not require programming skills but it helps to have basic knowledge I reckon.

My current job is mostly based of my experience in a previous role and how well I did in the technical assessment. I have only ever been offered one role where I never did a technical assessment. Not just technical questions but actually a demo project. Some companies invite you to their offices to do it with one of your potential colleagues just to see how you get on. I interviewed for IBM once and had to give a presentation in a room with Q&A. That's excluding all the various analytical assessments I did prior. Unless it's not a mid to senior level role or it's a small company desperate for engineers.

dustydee:
I am not a cyber security expert but my former cyber security colleague did not know how to program. He encouraged me to become one but I wasn't sure if I'd have the time for the training.
Also, information security is another field that people can go into. And yes you sometimes do not require actual experience of you have the basic foundation, can defend yourself and your CV during interviews and learn fast on the job. I have learnt the hard way in the UK that humility will seldom land you a job. Do not lie but make your job look very big and important.



Sir/ma, this is not particularly true. It may be true for graduate positions or software roles but largely untrue for engineering roles. Except if by technical assessment you mean being asked technical questions in interviews which in most cases is a given. During my interview for my current role, I wasn't really asked any technical question. They just went through my CV with me to see if I have done some of what they wanted me to do. I was then invited for a face to face interview which I thought was going to be technical but they only wanted to see my face and that one lasted about 15mins because I had to ask them several questions to justify my time there.

teejay231:
Probably some cyber security roles may not require programming skills but it helps to have basic knowledge I reckon.

My current job is mostly based of my experience in a previous role and how well I did in the technical assessment. I have only ever been offered one role where I never did a technical assessment. Not just technical questions but actually a demo project. Some companies invite you to their offices to do it with one of your potential colleagues just to see how you get on. I interviewed for IBM once and had to give a presentation in a room with Q&A. That's excluding all the various analytical assessments I did prior. Unless it's not a mid to senior level role or it's a small company desperate for engineers.

I believe this applies mostly to tech/software development roles as I said earlier. For others engineering design roles like , it will be ridiculous to ask for a presentation or project. Where do you even start from? They can only ask how you will perhaps design a system and ask you to explain by drawing or sketching.

thank you all, I appreciate all responses
@Aphrodite007, please its not a must for it to be between those two i mentioned. Suggestions are highly welcomed. I have just been racking my head on what a Geography cert will fetch us. If the subject was to be in demand, that would have been sweet. So please seniors, suggestions are welcomed

whuzmhan:
hello seniors,
thank you for your responses
for someone like my spouse who has no knowledge of IT or programming or anything, (actually studied Geography)
what would you suggest?
Msc in Cyber Security with Placement or
Msc in Project Management with Placement
Please note that he would like to switch to tier 2 visa after his course

my family person is in not from an IT background from Nigeria but i have advised him to start MSC this January in information security , we looked at cyber security as well.... So the plan i have for him is what i will share with you . Cyber is better then Pm just (from a saturation perspective,There are way more PM everywhere) but UK is still about relevant work experience . That year of masters dont just attend classes and go home. Map out a plan on how you will build "that relevant work" experience. Go and look at job description and learn those .... Once you can get that relevant experience on your CV then that helps . Degree on MSC will hardly be enough to get you in the door .learn industry knowledge and learn it well ,it get you into the door and keep you inside

Thank you very much for your insight to all the gurus in the building.


I will like to ask Cv-library asking for my UK resident address before i can continue with my search, am presently in Lagos still looking out for certificate of sponsor.

Please i need a more flexible website to continue my search.
Civil engineering.

Thanking you in advance
God bless you all

LagosismyHome:


my family person is in not from an IT background from Nigeria but i have advised him to start MSC this January in information security , we looked at cyber security as well.... So the plan i have for him is what i will share with you . Cyber is better then Pm just (from a saturation perspective,There are way more PM everywhere) but UK is still about relevant work experience . That year of masters dont just attend classes and go home. Map out a plan on how you will build "that relevant work" experience. Go and look at job description and learn those .... Once you can get that relevant experience on your CV then that helps . Degree on MSC will hardly be enough

Information Security = Cybersecurity....People use the latter cos it sounds posh

i dont even know what to say ooo..

Why them get Nigerian names oo..

fatima04:


It's so sad and disheartening and the wife enabled him so much.

abeg come give me tips on getting a job here..

the job hustle isnt easy lol

Aphrodite007:


Well sir, one thing with the UK is you gotta brag. There’s no room for humility. If you act small, they will make sure you remain small. The current job I’m doing, I didn’t know much about it, I just did extensive research. It is part of my expertise but I have never done it before. Now see me even being given Lead role in it. I spent train rides reading and watching videos to learn.

It’s about selling yourself finish. But please do your humility way. Also if you say cyber security needs programming, that’s fine. I no argue again. It means the one in my office is foolish (unless of course you’re referring to sql, powershell, and I’ve forgotten the other one, as programming).

wonlasewonimi:

Information Security = Cybersecurity....People use the latter cos it sounds posh

dustydee:

My colleague studied something close to history although he was into networking before moving to cyber security (He did an MSc too).

I’m pleased to hear this. But please remember that not everyone has quick assimilation skills like your friend. Even me that have been in IT for 21 years now, I avoid some areas like a plague (e.g data).

Aphrodite007:


I’m pleased to hear this. But please remember that not everyone has quick assimilation skills like your friend. Even me that have been in IT for 21 years now, I avoid some areas like a plague (e.g data).

Wow 21 years!....You're a guru o

Hello guys, I've come again o.

Thank you for the answers to my previous question.

I want to ask, does the COS for Tier 2 Visa cover IHS surcharge?

Or can the employer make a waiver for it, as part of the documents he'll send, or it's my sole responsibility to pay for it?

It is separate from CoS. As far as I know, there's no such waiver for tier 2 applicants, see here for details: https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/who-needs-pay

Who pays depends on your employer, some companies cover the cost, some don't.

Gundi:
Hello guys, I've come again o.

Thank you for the answers to my previous question.

I want to ask, does the COS for Tier 2 Visa cover IHS surcharge?

Or can the employer make a waiver for it, as part of the documents he'll send, or it's my sole responsibility to pay for it?

nomad26:
It is separate from CoS. As far as I know, there's no such waiver for tier 2 applicants, see here for details: https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/who-needs-pay

Who pays depends on your employer, some companies cover the cost, some don't.

Thank you for the response, I appreciate

Aphrodite007:


I’m pleased to hear this. But please remember that not everyone has quick assimilation skills like your friend. Even me that have been in IT for 21 years now, I avoid some areas like a plague (e.g data).

Ahhhh, mummy
When can I come for lessons ma

I agree 200% with you. I have 2 UK masters degrees and I still struggled to find a proper job initially due to my initial lack of the UK commercial experience. I will always advise people to look at job descriptions and learn the skills in demand. Someone also mentioned certifications in a previous post. In my experience, I think technical certifications are more important than master degrees. I know a few young guys who are already tech leads and don't even have a bachelors degree. They are however loaded with skills and lots of experience. I had to teach myself almost everything that was in demand and built my portfolio from small freelance projects. Lots of free videos on YouTube or sign up on Lynda.com. That is what got me through the door. Once you get in, you start picking up more new skills, gaining experience and then you make yourself irreplaceable at the company. The IT industry is continuously evolving so you must keep up to date even outside work. Most companies allocate a learning and development budget for every employee you can use for certifications and conferences.

LagosismyHome:


my family person is in not from an IT background from Nigeria but i have advised him to start MSC this January in information security , we looked at cyber security as well.... So the plan i have for him is what i will share with you . Cyber is better then Pm just (from a saturation perspective,There are way more PM everywhere) but UK is still about relevant work experience . That year of masters dont just attend classes and go home. Map out a plan on how you will build "that relevant work" experience. Go and look at job description and learn those .... Once you can get that relevant experience on your CV then that helps . Degree on MSC will hardly be enough to get you in the door .learn industry knowledge and learn it well ,it get you into the door and keep you inside

whuzmhan:
thank you all, I appreciate all responses
@Aphrodite007, please its not a must for it to be between those two i mentioned. Suggestions are highly welcomed. I have just been racking my head on what a Geography cert will fetch us. If the subject was to be in demand, that would have been sweet. So please seniors, suggestions are welcomed

Geographic Info Systems. Note that GIS also involves programming, databases and data analysis.

Transport planning and modelling is an option too.

However, I do not know if these professions are in demand in the UK.

wonlasewonimi:


Wow 21 years!....You're a guru o

Baba I started fixing PCs when I was a child, I’m not even up to 40.

Try being an obsessed gamer with a broken PC and no google, you will become an Engineer and Wizard overnight.