Obi1kenobi:


There are few things that display the intellectual bankruptcy and the Yoruba obsession that people like you do than calling anyone whose views are different from your own "Yoruba man pretending to be Igbo". Hence, you abandon the merits of substantive debate and start shouting "Yoruba" upandan. It shows how much you're consumed and obsessed with Yorubas and how Yorubas live rent-free in your empty head. I took a few minutes of my time to explain how the quest for autonomy in matters of local security require groups outside the core North to display solidarity for a common cause which is popular in all those localities, and how none of us alone can achieve this without getting other groups to unite behind that common cause, and all you came here to do is shout "Yoruba", like a witless clod.

Few points for you:
1) If you have "alternate monikers", don't project you stupidity on other people. This is my only moniker on Nairaland and I have no time or inclination, neither am I childish enough to troll people with different monikers.
2) I'm not Yoruba. Pazienza who I responded to knows who I am and has even communicated with my IPOB-supporting sister before, and a couple of people here know my real social media handles.
3) Being Yoruba would not have invalidated my point which is that to get out of the control of a national security apparatus controlled by the North (to everyone's detriment), other groups must unite behind a common cause to overthrow this hegemony. This doesn't mean they must unite on other issues and doesn't mean we're all friends. But on issues of local security which is of vital interest, there must be solidarity against the diktats of the North.

If none of these make sense to you, bring your contrary arguments here and we can discuss like civilized people. Or you can continue to chant "Yoruba" like a deranged nincompoop, and continue to let Yorubas hunt you in your dreams. Either way, if you

have nothing substantive to add beyond shouting "Yoruba", kindly go fucck yourself and stay out of my mentions. I don't care to humor stupidity.

Obi1kenobi:


The emboldened is a short-sighted way to view things. Other Southerners (not just Igbos) and Middle Belters are supporting the Yorubas, not because they're so enamoured with Yorubas, but because it establishes a precedent that we could all profit from in the future. If this SW scheme is legitimized and implemented, it establishes a constitutional/legal precedent for others to follow in creating their own local security apparatus and we'll all be better off for it. Looking out for the interest of the SW in this particular issue is in our interest.

I never cease to be amazed that Biafran nationalists are so isolationist in their thinking. In what universe do you think you can accomplish anything by isolating yourself? It's impossible to achieve what you seek without allying with other groups: including the groups you believe all hate you. Whether they're treacherous and resent you is irrelevant to the fundamental truth that whether you like it or not, you need their help to achieve your aims. There is no universe in which you can get your Biafra without getting all those Igboid groups and Edoid groups and Ekoid groups and Yorubas and Middle Belters to support you. It's impossible. So to be upset because some Igbos are supporting Yorubas over a comparatively minor constitutional challenge like "Amotekun, which is in our own interest, is simply irrational.

pazienza:


We are not other southerners and we are not other Nigerians. We are Ndiigbo.
Not really. SW interest in this case isn't our interest, because we can't really say we know the interests behind the formation of Amotekun by Yorubas. They know fully well that Nigerian owners would use the military decree that became law to stamp out the Amotekun, yet they went ahead with it. They know fully well that this resistance from FG will come, we saw how BSS and Benue attempts at forming similar vigilantes ended. So this reaction is expected, yet they hurriedly formed Amotekun. They never extended or sought for consensus with Ndiigbo before this outfit was formed, hell Many Yoruba commoners were even taken by surprise with the Amotekun thing but simply decided it was a good plan and starting throwing their support around it.

We were not consulted by Yoruba intelligentsia and political class before they formed this Amotekun, we can't simply assume we know what their Amotekun is all about, it's folly to think otherwise. Therefore, it would be stupid for us to even acknowledge it's existence let alone support it.
What we should do is observe them from a distance and look for means we can profit from the fall out of Amotekun without ourselves being seen to be showing support for it or being against. We should be positioning ourselves to profit from their misery or success, without being actively against or in support of them.

There is no isolationism in being patient and keeping your cards close to your chest. Throwing support for Amotekun when you don't know what it's all about is not wisdom, that's being emotional and trying to appear politically, same goes for those of use actively mocking them for it.

If only Ndiigbo can just mind our own business in Nigeria, we would have solved many of our current problems.

Hope Uzodinma's Supreme Court Victory Reunites Okorocha, Ararume & Uche Nwosu - Politics - Nairalan

hammerF:
Wen it comes to politics, Ndiigbo are very short sighted.

Ok just look at who Obiano handed APGA Ticket.

Should he ever get such ticket?

Uzodinma will sell Imo State worst than Okorocha to Ndi-ofe and Ndi-awusa.

Many of you dont know why Tinubu and Oshiomole were intent on Uzodinma becoming Governor.

It has to do with Tinubu 2023.







I am starting to feel sorry for Ndi-Imo, with the type of Governors they are set to produce.

pazienza:


We are not other southerners and we are not other Nigerians. We are Ndiigbo.
Not really. SW interest in this case isn't our interest, because we can't really say we know the interests behind the formation of Amotekun by Yorubas. They know fully well that Nigerian owners would use the military decree that became law to stamp out the Amotekun, yet they went ahead with it. They know fully well that this resistance from FG will come, we saw how BSS and Benue attempts at forming similar vigilantes ended. So this reaction is expected, yet they hurriedly formed Amotekun. They never extended or sought for consensus with Ndiigbo before this outfit was formed, hell Many Yoruba commoners were even taken by surprise with the Amotekun thing but simply decided it was a good plan and started throwing their support around it.

We were not consulted by Yoruba intelligentsia and political class before they formed this Amotekun, we can't simply assume we know what their Amotekun is all about, it's folly to think otherwise. Therefore, it would be stupid for us to even acknowledge it's existence let alone support it.
What we should do is observe them from a distance and look for means we can profit from the fall out of Amotekun without ourselves being seen to be showing support for it or being against. We should be positioning ourselves to profit from their misery or success, without being actively against or in support of them.

There is no isolationism in being patient and keeping your cards close to your chest. Throwing support for Amotekun when you don't know what it's all about is not wisdom, that's being emotional and trying to appear politically correct , same goes for those of us actively mocking them for it.

If only Ndiigbo can just mind our own business in Nigeria, we would have solved many of our current problems.

Osagyefo98:



Obiano played his own part of APC game.

Case closed.



Imo state should forget about development for now because there is so much money to recoup by Hope, Ararume, Uche and Okorocha.

They spent so much and must first recover especially Hope who started counting losses since APC primary .

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/370991-2023-apc-targets-three-states-in-south-east.html

2023: APC targets three states in South-east

spyder880:
Anyi na aga n ihu

Obi1kenobi:


We're southerners. We're Nigerians. We're Ndigbo. None of these are mutually exclusive concepts.
We do not have to share identical interests with Yorubas. When I say it is "in our interest", I mean that their success in their interest in this matter would establish legal precedent for our own interests (whether exactly aligned with theirs or not) going forward on issues of local security. If they fail alone (which they definitely will without the support of like-minded groups who seek autonomy in local security), we will fail alone too. If they succeed with our support, we will have a good chance of toeing a similar successful path. The moral principle here is a very simple one: do you believe local security should be administered from constituent units of the Federation rather than dictated from Abuja. If yes, there is zero reason not to support the Amotekun cause.
And for goodness sakes, all we're doing is basically providing moral support while South West governors and elders do most of the hard work. We're not going to war for Yorubas. There's no need to get melodramatic about our token support.



I don't get what you think the downside here is. You might have to explain it. Again, you're acting like we're going to war in support of Yorubas rather than simply offering vocal support. Who is going to punish us for supporting Yorubas in the quest for autonomy in security matters? Are Fulanis are going to flog us or something>
Again, we're not supporting this because of Yorubas. We're supporting it because of what it heralds for our own aspirations. If you know how we can achieve the Biafra of your dreams by "keeping cards close to your chest". I'm all ears.

hammerF:
[s]Wen it comes to politics, Ndiigbo are very short sighted.

Ok just look at who Obiano handed APGA Ticket.

Should he ever get such ticket?

Uzodinma will sell Imo State worst than Okorocha to Ndi-ofe and Ndi-awusa.

Many of you dont know why Tinubu and Oshiomole were intent on Uzodinma becoming Governor.

It has to do with Tinubu 2023.







I am starting to feel sorry for Ndi-Imo, with the type of Governors they are set to produce[/s].

hammerF:



[s]The judgement is really a set back for Imo State.


I just want to say one thing here.


If Ararume and Uzodinma are the type of people Imo State have in waiting to become Governor, then Okorocha was their best Governor by a long short.


Okorocha is far better than both Ararume and Uzodinma[/s].

Chiwude:
PDP IPOB branch should stop crying on our shoulder. You fake PDP Biafran activists will continue to expose yourselves. Allow Ndigbo rest for God sake. All parties are welcome in Igboland so long it gives us room to aspire to the Presidency. APC is welcomed in Igboland. Your demonic tactics have been exposed a long time ago.
Charlatans and enemies of Ndigbo should stop disturbing this thread with their evil cries. As our people say, let the eagle perch and let the kite perch, whoever says the other shouldn't let it's wings break.
You cannot force one party on our throats, especially one that that took our loyalty for granted for good 16 years. APC has come to stay in Igboland, even the PDP etc so long our interest to aspire for the presidency is achieved.

Afam4eva:
Can we pls discuss Enugu.

XANDERBOY85:


Very shortsighted and daft post! Why not welcome the Third Reich to Alaigbo b’cos ‘all parties are welcome in Igboland’ as you gullibly say!?

pazienza:


You like going in cycles, unfortunately I am having a busy week and might not always be able to reply you promptly.

You say : "Their success in their interests".
Now this is where the problem lies. You and I don't know what the Yoruba interests are, I doubt many Yorubas know what their own interests are. You can't just assume you know what this Amotekun is all about.

This is the point you are not getting.