There are no such things as "fallen angels."

This includes the Christian idea of the devil, aka "lucifer."

No such thing.

There is only one G-d and no one can go against His will. (He gave humans free will, and thus allows us to make our own mistakes in the hope that we choose the blessing and not the curse (D'varim / Deuteronomy 11:26).

The word שָׂטָן / satan just means adversary. It is used in the Jewish bible to speak of humans as well as angels.

G-d has no adversary -- He is all powerful. There is only One G-d. Since angels have no free will the angelic satans do indeed "work" for G-d. They are adversaries of man and simply have a job to do (to tempt man to evil hoping that man will not turn to it).

Human satans, like all humans, have free will. Do you have any adversaries? Is there someone at work who wants to get promoted and so makes you look bad so they look good? This would be a satan -- an adversary to you.

Now keep in mind that human adversaries are OUR adversaries, but not G-d's. He is both all powerful and all knowing. . .

The idea of a devil (an evil counterpart to G-d) is called "dualism. The dictionary defines dualism as "the division of something conceptually into two opposed or contrasted aspects, or the state of being so divided."

In Christianity this dualism is personified by the good G-d and the bad god (devil). The bad god (devil) fights the good G-d -- this certainly describes the Christian concept of the devil. These ideas were common in the pagan world 2000 years ago -- particularly in Zoroastrianism -- an ancient religion which was practiced in ancient Rome.

From the BBC website regarding Zoroastrianism: "Dualism in Zoroastrianism is the existence of, yet complete separation of, good and evil. . . (there is an) ongoing battle between Good (Ahura Mazda) and Evil (Angra Mainyu) within the universe. It is important to understand that Angra Mainyu is not G-d's equal opposite. . ."

Sound familiar?

You may find demons, fallen angels and such in Jewish fables and stories -- but they are there just as wizards appear in Harry Potter books. They are fictions which are meant to both entertain and teach a moral story. They are not biblical, they are not part of Jewish teachings.

At this point many Christians ask "what about lucifer? He is found in Isaiah chapter 14!"

Nope.

Not really.

There is no lucifer at all.

The word appearing in Christian translations of Isaiah 14 is "lucifer."

It is a mistranslation.

The term in Y'shayahu / Isaiah 14 is הֵילֵל בֶּן־שָֽׁחַר -- transliterated as "heilél ben-shaḥar" or “Heilél" and it translates to "[the] morning star”. In modern English this would be the planet Venus.

How did the Christians turn the planet Venus into "lucifer"?

The Hebrew was translated into Latin.

In Latin lucem ferre means “light-bearer” -- which was the Roman name for the planet Venus.

It seems likely that the King James translators chose to shorten lucem ferre to "lucifer." Somehow over time the Christians associated "lucifer" (the mistranslation) with their "devil."..

sonmvayina:
There are no such things as "fallen angels."

This includes the Christian idea of the devil, aka "lucifer."

No such thing.

There is only one G-d and no one can go against His will. (He gave humans free will, and thus allows us to make our own mistakes in the hope that we choose the blessing and not the curse (D'varim / Deuteronomy 11:26).

The word שָׂטָן / satan just means adversary. It is used in the Jewish bible to speak of humans as well as angels.

G-d has no adversary -- He is all powerful. There is only One G-d. Since angels have no free will the angelic satans do indeed "work" for G-d. They are adversaries of man and simply have a job to do (to tempt man to evil hoping that man will not turn to it).

Human satans, like all humans, have free will. Do you have any adversaries? Is there someone at work who wants to get promoted and so makes you look bad so they look good? This would be a satan -- an adversary to you.

Now keep in mind that human adversaries are OUR adversaries, but not G-d's. He is both all powerful and all knowing. . .

The idea of a devil (an evil counterpart to G-d) is called "dualism. The dictionary defines dualism as "the division of something conceptually into two opposed or contrasted aspects, or the state of being so divided."

In Christianity this dualism is personified by the good G-d and the bad god (devil). The bad god (devil) fights the good G-d -- this certainly describes the Christian concept of the devil. These ideas were common in the pagan world 2000 years ago -- particularly in Zoroastrianism -- an ancient religion which was practiced in ancient Rome.

From the BBC website regarding Zoroastrianism: "Dualism in Zoroastrianism is the existence of, yet complete separation of, good and evil. . . (there is an) ongoing battle between Good (Ahura Mazda) and Evil (Angra Mainyu) within the universe. It is important to understand that Angra Mainyu is not G-d's equal opposite. . ."

Sound familiar?

You may find demons, fallen angels and such in Jewish fables and stories -- but they are there just as wizards appear in Harry Potter books. They are fictions which are meant to both entertain and teach a moral story. They are not biblical, they are not part of Jewish teachings.

At this point many Christians ask "what about lucifer? He is found in Isaiah chapter 14!"

Nope.

Not really.

There is no lucifer at all.

The word appearing in Christian translations of Isaiah 14 is "lucifer."

It is a mistranslation.

The term in Y'shayahu / Isaiah 14 is הֵילֵל בֶּן־שָֽׁחַר -- transliterated as "heilél ben-shaḥar" or “Heilél" and it translates to "[the] morning star”. In modern English this would be the planet Venus.

How did the Christians turn the planet Venus into "lucifer"?

The Hebrew was translated into Latin.

In Latin lucem ferre means “light-bearer” -- which was the Roman name for the planet Venus.

It seems likely that the King James translators chose to shorten lucem ferre to "lucifer." Somehow over time the Christians associated "lucifer" (the mistranslation) with their "devil."..

Have you ever wondered the brain behind technology??

how man made airplanes, how man made heavy bulldozers, tractors, Space ships, engines, control panel, ...... and many more??

If 50 nairalanders were gathered and put in another earth, do you think they would made any of those things I have listed above??

Fallen angels began to make technologies, man started learning from them.


Going back to the BC, there was nothing like a gun, bomb or even bicycle, as days go and come how man made technology becomes a mystery.


Àngels in human form taught man everything about technology.

Kylekent59:


Have you ever wondered the brain behind technology??

how man made airplanes, how man made heavy bulldozers, tractors, Space ships, engines, control panel, ...... and many more??

If 50 nairalanders were gathered and put in another earth, do you think they would made any of those things I have listed above??

Fallen angels began to make technologies, man started learning from them.


Going back to the BC, there was nothing like a gun, bomb or even bicycle, as days go and come how man made technology becomes a mystery.


Àngels in human form taught man everything about technology.

Don't mind him. Let him go to Google play store and download book of Enoch and jasher, read both books from beginning to the end, he will know that there are fallen angels. They are the fathers of the nephilims. Go and see the origin of tech, war, homosexuality, juju, writing etc that fallen angels taught man

Fallen angels I believe also refers to the shape of the female anatomy that comes with age, unless something is done.

Kylekent59:


Have you ever wondered the brain behind technology??

how man made airplanes, how man made heavy bulldozers, tractors, Space ships, engines, control panel, ...... and many more??

If 50 nairalanders were gathered and put in another earth, do you think they would made any of those things I have listed above??

Fallen angels began to make technologies, man started learning from them.


Going back to the BC, there was nothing like a gun, bomb or even bicycle, as days go and come how man made technology becomes a mystery.


Àngels in human form taught man everything about technology.

Don't confuse Ogun or Oromila with fallen Angels.. Ogun is the God of iron and Oromila is the God of wisdom... We abandoned them and they did us too... But the white man kept theirs.. They run to them for civilization and development, hence the reason they don't want to share with us..

They are not fallen Angels... They are spirits in charge of different aspect of humanity..

Kylekent59:


Have you ever wondered the brain behind technology??

how man made airplanes, how man made heavy bulldozers, tractors, Space ships, engines, control panel, ...... and many more??

If 50 nairalanders were gathered and put in another earth, do you think they would made any of those things I have listed above??

Fallen angels began to make technologies, man started learning from them.


Going back to the BC, there was nothing like a gun, bomb or even bicycle, as days go and come how man made technology becomes a mystery.


Àngels in human form taught man everything about technology.

There is NOTHING mysterious about technology.

African Mentality will forever be in the Stone Age, praying, dreaming, tithing for Angels! Spirits! Ghosts! to bring us technology and power... aaaargh! Why are we like this

Disappointed :-Xin these people up there �! Except the guy above me

Disappointed in these people up there �! Except the guy above me

TrajansKong:


There is NOTHING mysterious about technology.

African Mentality will forever be in the Stone Age, praying, dreaming, tithing for Angels! Spirits! Ghosts! to bring us technology and power... aaaargh! Why are we like this

There is a lot you need to learn . i was watched a video about an ex google technician that talked about how they will worship certain entities to get inspired into making some products . Those who deny the existence of the spirit realm are the most vulnerable to it

HallaDaTruth:
There is a lot you need to learn . i was watched a video about an ex google technician that talked about how they will worship certain entities to get inspired into making some products . Those who deny the existence of the spirit realm are the most vulnerable to it

We are spirits too just having a human experience.. When we die we become one or part of them.. We have go give up this body that Is made of dust eventually... Only then we finally know what love is..