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Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:31pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
TAO11: yes, seems Nollywood is where people get their history and facts from nowadays. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by Debaiz: 11:31pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
foleskay: India has both wild Lions and tigers But the op has that point they’re not found in Africa but that doesn’t mean the yorubas don’t know the tiger to be a fierce rival of a lion. 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by aywhy93(m): 11:31pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
cbrass: The link I included in my initial post is enough to clear anybody's doubt... But NO, you wont research, read and understand. Only to argue without thinking deeply. It was stated there that Ekun (in yoruba) is the largest animal in the cat family. Since the Tiger is the largest in the cat family then why will Ekun (in yoruba) be a Leopard which is even much more smaller to a Lion, not to talk of Tiger in size..? THINK!!! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by 3moses: 11:32pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
aywhy93: You did a good job 2 Likes |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:33pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Debaiz: And how exactly do they know this? Do Indian lions and tigers fight each other? You're once again confusing tiger with leopard. Yorubas might have seen leopards and lions competing, but you interpet that to mean it was tigers they saw. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion#Competition_or_coexistence_in_the_Eurasian_wilderness |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by cbrass(m): 11:33pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
aywhy93: What research again o. Lol Is it me that is vast in Yoruba history or who? ![]() |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by TAO11(f): 11:35pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
nlPoster: Lol... Yes, Nollywood Yoruba is some of the custodians of the Yoruba language and culture today. If you have a different view and superior source for it, do not bolt. Bring it forward. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by supereagle(m): 11:37pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
I pondered on the choice of Leopard( Amotekun) for the Southwest security outfit. Why didn't they choose Lion(Kiniun) or Tiger( Ekun)? I also pondered on why there is palpable fear of the project from some quarters. Could it be because of something they know and dread about the Leopard? So, I decided to check the Leopard out. 1. *Amotekun* is pound for pound one of the strongest of the big cats. Who wouldn't want a heavyweight on his side and who wouldn't be scared of the heavyweight? *2.Amotekun* is the most elusive and secretive of the large fields. No noise and not easily predictable. Sure,this is a good quality for us in the Southwest and a scary quality for those criminals. 3. *Amotekun* is both a good swimmer and a good climber of trees. This means criminals cannot outsmart us at any front. Those using the waters to perpetrate evil are in trouble and those using bushes are in danger. 4. *Amotekun* as a carnivore is not a picky eater like the other cat families. It will eat any animal that comes across its path. Yes ooo,we don't want sophistication in the face of attacks...you come at us and we roast you. Enemies don't want that at all. 5. *Amotekun* is mostly nocturnal unlike the other cats. Sebi na night dem dey attack us before...now we don get security wey no dey sleep for night. Dem dey panic as we no choose Lion or Tiger wey sabi sleep for night. 6. *Amotekun* is known for its agility...can run up to 58km/h...can leap 6 meters(20 feet) horizontally and 3 meters(10feet) vertically!!! #CPD. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by UnitedFront: 11:38pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
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Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:39pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
TAO11: Good for you. TAO11: Go through the thread again but this time without a predisposition to ignorance. everything that needs to be discussed has already been said. But if you prefer nollywood as your source of knowledge, I have no problem with that. Meaning it's not my problem. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by Nobody: 11:40pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
The theory that yorubas cannot have a name for tiger because it is not native to Africa can only work if no single tribe in Africa has a name for Tiger. People adopt names for things that are not necessarily native to the culture. The theory of nativity is still prone to exceptions and you can't 100% say something does not exist somewhere except you have done a thorough and complete search of the area in a way you can't miss it which is practically impossible. Ai rin jina, lai r'abuke okere. Tiger may not be native to Africa, but that still doesn't rule out the possibility of encountering or seeing it at some point in time and at that point, ekun was adopted for tiger. Language is dynamic and as of the Yoruba of today, Ekun is the name for tiger and Amotekun the name for Leopard. macof: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by cbrass(m): 11:41pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
aywhy93: The difference between you and I is, you rely on what someone posted on the internet while I had a first encounter with the hunters. The Tiger been the larger cat in the cat family is peculiar to the whole cat family in the world and not cat family in Yoruba land. The Oluode in Ibadan said that he is still trying to understand why they chose Amotekun instead of Ekun. He even went on to say thag Amotekun looks like Ekun. So does Tiger look Leopard? I repeat we don't have A name for Tiger ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by supereagle(m): 11:43pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
riddo2:What of Ijakumo? |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:43pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
cbrass: Leopards are extinct in southern Nigeria, that's possibly why the name was changed to tiger. Neither animal is found there. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by UnitedFront: 11:44pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
cbrass: But there are English names for all animals even including the ones that couldn’t be found in their environment. Explain that 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by aywhy93(m): 11:44pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
cbrass: There's more to history and research than assumptions. The yorubas are known to have a wide historical movements, from Africa to North and South Americas and other countries in different continents, so assuming they have never seen a Tiger to give it that name EKUN is a dumb thought, or you probably think the Yorubas are just those people you see in Lagos, Ibadan and South Western Nigerian. For even thinking Millions of Indigenous Yorubas who have existed before in the pasts doesnt know what they are doing, or have a wrong nomenclature in their local language shows one is a wise fool. There are enough and undebatable proofs that shows Ekun is tiger and Amotekun is Leopard and so on as stated in my initial post, just do your research. Let me even ask, which department of Yoruba studies in which University have you conducted the slightest research to even think you know anything about YORUBA..? And come up with your blabbing thoughts. You and Op just disappointed your forefathers. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by macof(m): 11:44pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
GidiWoodsMan: I agree. And I believe Zoologists state this too Leopards and Tigers are a lot more successful than lions in this survival game And leopards are generally unchallenged in their domain unlike the lion that even honey badgers threaten Or Tigers that monkeys mess with No animal messes with the leopard |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:45pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Hayelomo: Tiger cannot be Ekun unless Ekun is a generic name for big cat or panther. When being specific, leopard is Ekun. For those who want Ekun to be tiger, I'd say perhaps the knowledge of tiger came with people since there are no tigers in Africa. Somebody said African tigers should be considered invisible like God and angels, I think that's stretching the whole thing somewhat but whatever makes people happy? ![]() Amotekun could be cheetah because ancient Yorubas are more likely to have seen cheetahs than tigers. 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by supereagle(m): 11:47pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Hayelomo: I pondered on the choice of Leopard( Amotekun) for the Southwest security outfit. Why didn't they choose Lion(Kiniun) or Tiger( Ekun)? I also pondered on why there is palpable fear of the project from some quarters. Could it be because of something they know and dread about the Leopard? So, I decided to check the Leopard out. 1. *Amotekun* is pound for pound one of the strongest of the big cats. Who wouldn't want a heavyweight on his side and who wouldn't be scared of the heavyweight? *2.Amotekun* is the most elusive and secretive of the large fields. No noise and not easily predictable. Sure,this is a good quality for us in the Southwest and a scary quality for those criminals. 3. *Amotekun* is both a good swimmer and a good climber of trees. This means criminals cannot outsmart us at any front. Those using the waters to perpetrate evil are in trouble and those using bushes are in danger. 4. *Amotekun* as a carnivore is not a picky eater like the other cat families. It will eat any animal that comes across its path. Yes ooo,we don't want sophistication in the face of attacks...you come at us and we roast you. Enemies don't want that at all. 5. *Amotekun* is mostly nocturnal unlike the other cats. Sebi na night dem dey attack us before...now we don get security wey no dey sleep for night. Dem dey panic as we no choose Lion or Tiger wey sabi sleep for night. 6. *Amotekun* is known for its agility...can run up to 58km/h...can leap 6 meters(20 feet) horizontally and 3 meters(10feet) vertically!!! #CPD. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by aywhy93(m): 11:47pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
macof: Calm down Bro... A single Hyena just effortlessly stole a Leopard's kill on Nat Geo Wild Right Now. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by cbrass(m): 11:47pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Debaiz: Which one is wild lion again ![]() |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by macof(m): 11:49pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
UnitedFront: Because the English borrowed names for them The English did not give the Tiger a name of an already known animal in their environment Tiger etymological comes from Persian "Tigra" Some have suggested Tiger be called "Taiga" in Yoruba 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by cbrass(m): 11:51pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
aywhy93: So you watch Natgeo wild and still think Ekun is Tiger... Did they tell you in Natgeo wild that Tiger is found in Africa let alone Nigeria? |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:52pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
UnitedFront: They travelled and personally encountered and documented the creatures. This was the question you responded to: by the way how can you have a name for something you have never seen in your life. So yes, they had seen the animals even if they weren't native to their environment. 1 Like |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by TAO11(f): 11:52pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
GidiWoodsMan: If you had cared to read my comment in context you would have understood my point. My point is basically as follows: 1. That Owawa is NOT Cheetah. Not even close to it. 2. That Owawa is "semi-wild". Meaning not a wild animal as the likes of Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, etc. Now, I beleive I have broken it down enough for you to get my gist. Moreover, a regular pig will "eat your balls for breakfast if you slip up". That doesn't make them "very wild" animals though. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by Basher8583: 11:53pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
salford1: Stop decieving yourself. Check this out for your information. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_African_cheetah Besides if we had it in Nigeria it shouldn't be a scarce animal at our zoos. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by macof(m): 11:53pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Hayelomo: That is why a word needs to be thought of for tigers not using the word for leopard Ẹkùn cannot be both tiger and leopard |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by aywhy93(m): 11:55pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
cbrass: I'm sure you saw my last mention to you. Reply it with something meaningful. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by Nobody: 11:56pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
The "amo" in amotekun does not mean "looks like", it is rather " knows as", so amotekun literally means "knows as ekun". If it is looks like, it would be " bi ekun" not amotekun. cbrass: |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by topeal(f): 11:57pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
[As in ehn ![]() ![]() At least even if the OP is wrong or right, I have learnt smethings from him. I am fake yoruba man... ![]() |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by nlPoster: 11:58pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
Hayelomo: Looks like would be aribiekun, so you're correct. Knows as implies told of or what we know as. Like something was switched. |
Re: Amotekun Is Cheetah Not Leopard by TAO11(f): 11:58pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
nlPoster: It is you who are harboring and nursing sime grudge from elsewhere. Listen again, You have commented negatively on an indigenous Yoruba source I cited in relation to an indigenous Yoruba topic. What you should have done (and which I have requested you to do) is to present a more authoritative source which disagrees with mine. Nay, you failed the second time. You rather referred me to some everyone else who do not necessarily agree with you or disagree with me. Are you a jester? 1 Like 1 Share |
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