Waylex21:


You have been misinformed, man. The Catholic Church never denied her members access to the Bible. Just like reportage of events can be distorted depending on who is making the report, so also this issue of denying the Bible to others. Make your thorough research and don't live in ignorance

You do not even know your own history yet want to challenge my knowledge with your ignorance?

CaptainMeks:


You are the definition of stupidity.

Wow! That's very Christlike.

CaptainMeks:


You are the definition of stupidity.

What stupid oath where the word of God is concerned?

So the Canon now is more powerful that the words of God himself?

Do you even know that the The canonists did not treat biblical texts as direct sources or as statutes; they did not take passages from the Bible and call them a canon or a lex. Instead, they drew legal lessons and legal principles from them

Do you also know that the unequalled word of God declares in Mark 5 and I quote

"5 The Pharisees and teachers of the law said to Jesus, “Your followers don’t follow the traditions we have from our great leaders who lived long ago. They eat their food with hands that are not clean. Why do they do this?”

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:

‘These people honor me with their words,
but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless.
The things they teach are only human rules.’

8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”

9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings!"

Do you understand? Pope John Paul the second was the MAN who came up with the most recent set of Can laws and rendered the old one obsolete.

MAN MADE CANON unless you want to tell me that the Pope is God

man made canon, what's ur evidence that the Bible is spiritually made!!! you can obey the laws of government but can't obey a law u swore an oath to obey!!!!!! just keep bringing up ur stupidity!!!! Did anyone force him into Catholic Church!!!!! one of the oldest canonical laws are detachment from politics!!! Is Nigerian different? have u heard of any foreign countries were priests meddled into politics!!? or the Bible ur talking about did u wake up to it?? is it not a foreign material!?? my problem is you keep giving dimensions to ur stupidity.. all hail!!!!!

eDeity:

I'm not going anywhere sir
Drop the link here sir

it's now obvious you're conscious of ur stupidity and hypocrisy!!!! live and deal with it

Observations.

Most people are no longer actually discussing the topic of the thread.

Unfortunately it's now about:

1) PDP vs APC.

2) Catholics vs other religions.

naptu2:


Wow! That's very Christlike.

Yes very Christlike especially as Christ called the Pharisees a brood of vipers and the traders in the Temple thieves.

Aiyk2333:

it's now obvious you're conscious of ur stupidity and hypocrisy!!!! live and deal with it

Have warned you before, stop quoting me if you don't have any sensible thing to say. Stay sensible or keep shut!

Aiyk2333:

man made canon, what's ur evidence that the Bible is spiritually made!!! you can obey the laws of government but can't obey a law u swore an oath to obey!!!!!! just keep bringing up ur stupidity!!!! Did anyone force him into Catholic Church!!!!! one of the oldest canonical laws are detachment from politics!!! Is Nigerian different? have u heard of any foreign countries were priests meddled into politics!!? or the Bible ur talking about did u wake up to it?? is it not a foreign material!?? my problem is you keep giving dimensions to ur stupidity.. all hail!!!!!

As a Christian your standard is Christ and not what other priest do or do not do in any country.

The Bible said the Word of God was written AS MEN WERE MOVED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

This should let you know that the content of the Bible is not of men even though they were instrumental in putting it into words.

Revelation 22:18 is for you and those who wrote the Canon laws AS AN ADDITION TO THE WORD OF GOD IN THE BIBLE

"Rev: 22:18

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

A very sensible post this is.

So are they cautioning Kukah and co. ? The catholic church has never kept away from intermingling with governments e.g Nazi's, China, Dictatorial regimes in South America. Leave the Prophet of Our times, Father Mbaka alone.

Now, to be fair, I must also state that Father Mbaka apologised after the Peter Obi incident.



Father Mbaka Apologizes To Peter Obi Publicly, Begs For Forgiveness.
https://www.nairaland.com/4892314/father-mbaka-apologizes-peter-obi

Rev Mbaka has been prophecies on political matters for very long time and nobody take against him until Buhari and APC victory prophecy. The same man predicted last year that nobody will dethrone Eungu governor and everybody silent.

Aiyk2333:

may death visit u for claiming the guy that sang mbaka why has died!! .. someone I know and I've been seeing!!!!
why would you ask if mbaka desecrated a canonical law!!? did mbaka enjoin his congregation to oust pdp and vote for buhari! did he not mention names he attacked Peter Obi, Jonathan and told his masses God wants buhari, is that not soliciting or campaign!!!? did ganduje not also come to adoration ground!!? I pity ur level of hypocrisy!!!!!! 2015/2019 mbaka campaigned for Apc!!!! I watched videos

death will definitely visit u for being an unrepented hypocrite. Rubbish! I don't argue with d fools

Patrioticman007:
Envy is the root of all evils, Cain & Abel, first murder saga,all happened because of Envy.
Father Mbaka as a man of god has been receiving backlash and threats from evil men.
Just because he is against the evil party called PDP, had all his prophecies, been against Apc, there wouldn't have been these noise.
Its on record that the leadership of Christian Association of Nigeria, was so much in dirty politics, that they turned to Arms dealers. Yet no body sanctioned them, like they are pestering Father Mbaka, the only true man of God from the South East, Side.

Mbaka for minister of religious affairs,by God grace.

What is the business of CAN with CBCN? Did you even read anything there at all? Ignorant dull fellow

ZombieTERROR:
Mbaka is an APc mole.....

He's a politician

Trusting God that Hope Uzodimma will not fail imolites which is very likely. I see the catholic church losing membership if Hope goofs.

flexyrule:
Rev. Mbaka is even underutilising his potential by remaining in the catholic church.
If he start a ministry, he would be on the same level with the likes of Oyedepo, Adeboye, TB Joshua etc.

The church should be fully Involved in politics.

We don't do politics, after we'll be doing 40 days prayers and fasting for God to turn things around in our country. How would God change things around when you refused to mobilize and support the right candidate?

Do you think his parish will shake if he decides to leave today not to talk of the diocese or Nigeria at large?

Church involving in politics, is Osinbajo not a pastor? Was Redeem not fully involved in 2015? Where did all that landed us? The best is to be neutral, that doesn't mean you re not involved so as to be able to speak the truth. Imagine now Mbaka cannot criticize APC govt because he mislead people in voting for him

Irore:


Trusting God that Hope Uzodimma will not fail imolites which is very likely. I see the catholic church losing membership if Hope goofs.

So what is ur own if catholic loose members, isn't that what u always wish for ?

Catholics are not yes men. Catholics provoked Christianity out of Isaacism. It's like squeezing the Honey out of the bees. The Jews didn't like it till date. The Jews infection affected the Ishmaelites. And that is why the WRITER of the QURAN couldn't differentiate between ISLAM, MOSLEM AND MUSLIM.

Patrioticman007:
Envy is the root of all evils, Cain & Abel, first murder saga,all happened because of Envy.
Father Mbaka as a man of god has been receiving backlash and threats from evil men.
Just because he is against the evil party called PDP, had all his prophecies, been against Apc, there wouldn't have been these noise.
Its on record that the leadership of Christian Association of Nigeria, was so much in dirty politics, that they turned to Arms dealers. Yet no body sanctioned them, like they are pestering Father Mbaka, the only true man of God from the South East, Side.

Mbaka for minister of religious affairs,by God grace.

Enlightenment will do you no harm... It is clearly stated as Catholic church against partisan politics not CAN against partisan politics

naptu2:
Here’s why senior catholic figures are cautioning Father Mbaka (By Naptu2)

(Please, don’t just react to the title of the thread or to what you think the thread is about or to what you’ve heard before. Try and take some time to actually read the posts and understand what’s written in them. Thank you).

Father Camillus Ejike Mbaka has caused controversy in the past 20 years by hobnobbing with politicians and predicting the winners of governorship and presidential elections. This led to serious controversy in 2018 when he had a verbal altercation with Mr Peter Obi, the vice presidential candidate of the PDP.


Many senior figures in the Catholic Church have often cautioned and criticised Father Mbaka because of his political activities. Here are some examples:

Father Mbaka Saga: ’Mixing Religion With Politics Is Dangerous' -Cardinal Okogie
https://www.nairaland.com/2087175/father-mbaka-saga-mixing-religion

I’ll Sanction Mbaka If He’s Under My Diocese, Says Onaiyekan
https://www.nairaland.com/2076678/ill-sanction-mbaka-hes-under

Adewale Martins: Mbaka May Be Barred From Preaching By Catholic
https://www.nairaland.com/5636777/adewale-martins-mbaka-may-barred

Some people have claimed that these bishops only criticised Father Mbaka because they support a different candidate from the candidate that Father Mbaka endorsed. Is this really the reason? Of course it’s not. So what’s the reason for their criticisms?

Basically, their criticisms are based on Canon Law. Canon Law is the code that guides the behaviour of priests and other ministers in the Catholic Church all over the world. Canon Law states that:








http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_PY.HTM

These sections have always been interpreted to mean that priests must not tell voters who to vote for. They must not get involved in partisan politics that supports one candidate against another, except with the permission of their bishop.

This does not mean that priests cannot be involved in politics at all. Priests can criticise governments, condemn corruption, advocate that government should help the poor, etc. They can also vote in elections, but they must not tell their congregation to vote for politician Y or to vote against politician X. This is because it is believed that the Catholic Church exists to serve all people, no matter the party you belong to or what race you are and so the church must not be seen to be promoting one group over the other or dividing the congregation. Basically, the Catholic Church is politically neutral.

This is the reason for the criticism of Father Mbaka, because he seems to be supporting one candidate over another and this is against Canon Law.

Due to this, the Catholic Bishops Conference barred all priests from supporting politicians ahead of the 2019 elections (see second post below).

After the altercation between Father Mbaka and Peter Obi, the Church issued another warning to priests and banned them from allowing any politician to use any pulpit, altar or church property to make political statements. (see third post below).

This is a very serious issue around the world. The Catholic Church in America also issued directives to priests ahead of the 2016 election over there (so other posts below) and some Catholics in the US also complained (ahead of the 2012 election) that some priests and bishops were using their pulpits to campaign against Barrack Obama.


This is not the first time that the Catholic Church in Nigeria is facing this kind of challenge, neither is it the most serious case.

President Ibrahim Babangida appointed two Catholic priests to the Constituent Assembly in 1989 (this is not against church law). However, one of those priests, Reverend Father Moses Adasu, decided to get involved in partisan politics. He asked his bishop for permission to contest the Benue State governorship election on the platform of the SDP. The bishop (in obedience to Canon Law) refused to grant permission to Adasu. Father Adasu contested anyway and he was excommunicated by the church.

Father Adasu went on to become the civilian governor of Benue State from January 1992-November 1993, when General Sani Abacha removed all civilian governors from office.

Years later, Father Adasu was reinstated as a Catholic priest (the Church is meant to be a forgiving church).

Thanks for recalling history. Some people might not know and will not ask why the Catholic church barred its priests from politics. These are clear examples. Now we know better.

orisa37:
Catholics are not yes men. Catholics provoked Christianity out of Isaacism. It's like squeezing the Honey out of the bees. The Jews didn't like it till date. The Jews infection affected the Ishmaelites. And that is why the WRITER of the QURAN couldn't differentiate between ISLAM, MOSLEM AND MUSLIM.

Where did you get this from bro?

bilulu:

Do you think his parish will shake if he decides to leave today not to talk of the diocese or Nigeria at large?

Church involving in politics, is Osinbajo not a pastor? Was Redeem not fully involved in 2015? Where did all that landed us? The best is to be neutral, that doesn't mean you re not involved so as to be able to speak the truth. Imagine now Mbaka cannot criticize APC govt because he mislead people in voting for him

The moment he is ban from being a priest, he loses his parish

chical:

The moment he is ban from being a priest, he loses his parish

Yes a d the parish will still stand like no one left

Austineva:
then, go and caution him. Rubbish!

Oya collect am

ZombieTERROR:
Mbaka is an APc mole.....

He's a politician

No! That's not all.

He is also a kulikuli cracking and hydraulic guzzling Yoloba mosLEM.

chical:

Enlightenment will do you no harm... It is clearly stated as Catholic church against partisan politics not CAN against partisan politics

Your mumu never do ?, when are you going to sanction Matthew Kukah, for his partisan political statements ?. He is busy supporting PDP party against APC, just last week, he made childish talks. C.A.N or Catholics that's your headache, for there are no difference.

You people should not do what will make father Mbaka to resign from the ministry.