Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you Pazienza. We've read this script before in 1964, 1987, 1993 and 1999. The Yoruba's are strategizing with Amotekun to lay claim to the presidency. While I'm not interested in how they go about it, I'm keen into warning all the IPOB/Apolitical Igbo dunces not to involve Ndigbo in Yoruba struggles. Nnamdi Kanu and his cursed herds of exuberant touts should beware else they get burnt in the melee. The Yoruba's know how to settle their case with the north by retreating at the right time.
Ndigbo should stay on their line and play their politics rights. The SE Governors, our legislators and Ohaneze Ndigbo must start acting like charismatic leaders and work towards achieving their goal, irrespective of party and creed.
The likes of IPOB and other infiltrators or future Nzeogwu in the SE must be exposed and neutralized before they destroy us a second time.
A word is enough for the wise.
Igbo interest must come first!

Please expatiate on "their goal". If the presidency of the shithole called Nigeria qualifies for their goal, it is a dead goal. The main goal for Ndigbo in Nigeria is actualization of independent homeland. I honestly prefer Republic of Igbo land to any other republic however a well structured Biafra is always in the equation.

SLAP44:


When you see northerners trying hard to blend in and use divide and rule tactics on the south, you will know. This is same group of monikers who will rather die than see any south south person have affiliation with Igbo people still trying to make sure that Igbo people will not side with Yorubas for Amotekun when you see that the whole south shares the same threat of life. You start to wonder.

My take is that there are no permanent friends or foes. When the Yoruba decides to sing a tune that sounds exactly like what Nnamdi Kanu is singing, I as a Biafran will dance.

Amotekun has come to stay, so that Operation Agunweohia can also stand.

It could be a dance of death. Dance with Yari.ba at your peril. In addition, I shall want Ndigbo to start "Operation Agunweohia" or Enyimba in identical resemblance of what I have seen in Borno State where vigilantes are armed with all forms of guns including AK-47. I do not believe in short measures.

pazienza:


And you have to log into this your particular moniker to pass across this message?

Igbos want more states because we want more FG allocations, because we noticed that more states mean more allocations.
Not because we don't want to be together.

Even as Igbo nationalist as I am, if given option, I would have Igboland divided into 100 states as long as FG will keep the money coming in. Don't get it twisted.

Bless you! We're usually cheated in federal allocations and job openings in government. If you take a look at the recruitments into the civil service and military you'll always notice a large chunk of employment going to other zones while the SE is left with less. Those with 6 to 7 states gets almost double appointment than what the SE gets. If the SW or NE for instance gets 60 names in say the DSSC in the Nigerian army, the SE usually gets 50. While on the other hand the NW gets 70. And yet people keep blaming us why we are usually few in top military positions. The same applies to the NDA, Customs, government scholarship as well as ministerial positions.
More states and other necessary right are what Ndigbo should champion while we remain part of the federation. And not the goose dream of IPOB multiethnic Biafra that is doomed to fail. We cannot continue chasing rats while others continue enjoying from our political demise. We always want to show solidarity with other oppressed people, but nobody is willing to talk about ours.
Igbo interest should come first.

Dedetwo:


Please expatiate on "their goal". [s]If the presidency of the shithole called Nigeria qualifies for their goal, it is a dead goal.[/s] The main goal for Ndigbo in Nigeria is actualization of independent homeland. I honestly prefer Republic of Igbo land to any other republic however a well structured Biafra is always in the equation.

How many people or ethnic groups are sincerely taking about separation? The Yoruba's, Hausa's and Niger Delta have always use the threats of separation to seize power in the centre.

In 1966 the north threaten separation to seize power from Ironsi, who was caught off guard. In 1993-1999 the SW used threats of separation and June 12 to curry northern sympathy to seize power. In 2003-2015 the Ijaws understood the game, and rallied their militants to blow up oil facilities and threaten to declare the Niger-Delta republic to be gifted the VP slot by Obansanjo as well as the Presidency after the death of Ya'radua.

The Igbo statesmen such as late Senator Chukwumerije saw the greenlight and in one of his speech in Ohaneze Ndigbo, suggested that the SE incorporate MASSOB and IPOB into achieving their aims. But he was wrong, because MASSOB had a soul of it's own having been founded by outsiders to counter nothern sharia disturbances. The likes of OPC, NDPVF etc were whipped to do this same task. The PDP have always hijacked it for their own political interest. Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB became answerable to their paymasters and not to Ndigbo. This why you see them coining words like the SE/SS, old eastern region, the better south, southern Nigeria, SE/SS/MB etc and never Igbo interest.

They don't talk about Igbo presidency, they don't talk about 6th SE state, or galvanising our people to vote, it always the opposite. Always wanting Ndigbo to stand from the position of weakness.
Do not be deceived, IPOB was formed to counter Buhari's APC, because this is what their paymasters want them to do. Even if it means joining any protest in the form of Amotekun, they will always be willing tools. But many of you are daft to understand this. Nnamdi Kanu and his sponsors don't care about Igbo interest or Igbo lives. The PDP doesn't have the interest of the Igbo at heart unlike Buhari before he became paranoid with Ndigbo for not standing with him, despite picking Igbo vice two times.

Many of us have seen the picture clearer and are wiser. Nigeria is not dividing soon, not in 50 years time. Unless the foreign powers decide to use us as a battle field to boost their dwindling economy. Either to steal our oil or sell their weaponry. That is only when a free for all conflict will trigger separation.

Your ability to understand the political dynamics of Nigeria as it relates to Ndi Igbo, is inspirational and highly informative. Please maintain or increase your educative and informative analysis on Igbo unity and affairs.

pazienza:
Igbos are people who use to be wise, and Igbos are still wise till today. We have never been a foolish race.

1. Fulani herdsmen issue has been a constant issue in Nigeria for decades now.
In Yoruba land, it climaxed with the kidnap of Olu Falae by Fulani herdsmen in 2017.
It is well known that Buhari is a member or at least sympathetic to Miyetti Allah and have always defended the Herdsmen, yet Buhari was actively supported for re election in 2017 by Yoruba elites and commoners, because Osibanjo VP position, and their fear that the alternative (Atiku) would mean losing the VP to Ndiigbo and most importantly, the promise of a Yoruba president after Buhari tenure expiration in 2023.
We all witnessed the disgrace Igbo voters were subjected under by Tinubu Yoruba boys in Lagos all in bid to secure Buhari re election.

2. Fast forward to post Elections, Buhari and North has as expected started showing signs of not having any plans of handing over to Yorubas, they have started moving their pawns all over the political chess board to render Tinubu neutralized. Their last big move was the sacking of Tinubu men from strategic positions and continuous humiliation of Osibanjo.


3. Then suddenly, the SW Lagos-Ibadan media propaganda machine remembered that Buhari is a dictator running a sectional government of the North for the North. They fought back using their newspapers.
Buhari easily weathered the storm. They were probably expecting Buhari to take the bait by clamping down on those media houses in Rambo style and arrest the Yoruba propaganda spinners therein, so that they can all start calumny campaign against Buhari with public sympathy . They would have likely started streets protests and all. Where Buhari will be painted as the villain and Yorubas the voltron of democracy and freedom of speech.
Buhari and his handlers read the script well and refused to take the bait.

4. The SW intelligentsia now decided to take the fight to the street by involving the commoners, rallying them against the FG using the Herdsman menace as good veneer.
They are spurring for a confrontation with the FG, and I believe they will get it this time around.


You have to ask yourself, what are Fulani herdsmen doing now in SW that they have not been doing since past ten years or more, yet FG(Buhari) support remained strong in SW.

How convenient is it that this whole fight and confrontations against FG is coming from the Yorubas just few weeks after it became apparent the North has no plans of handing power over to Yorubas and sent them this message by sacking those Tinubu men from their positions of relevance?

Onye aghogbu ka agba! Ndi Igbo, mulu ako.
We have alot to gain from staying totally clear of Amotekun. It's not even like Yorubas are soliciting for our support, they know how tactless some of us can be and so expect us to run to support Amotekun without them even soliciting for such. This will in future give them leverage to manipulate narratives when funny Igbos will start accusing them of betrayal by the time they as expected suddenly drop the Amotekun agenda, leaving those supporting them now hung and dry.

pazienza:
You refuse to write in proper Igbo,

For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Are you in essence saying you're not Igbo?

Afam4eva:
Are you in essence saying you're not Igbo?

You've been on NL long enough to have witnessed others ask me this question. Let us not repeat history for the sake of repeating it. I have maintained an active presence on Igbo- related matters, both social, cultural, lingustic and political. Your memory of me should provide you the answer to your question.

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Always tying to be smart by half. I don't know when attending world Igbo congress or joining IPOB becomes a test of ones Igboness. Your Ngwa ethnic nationality agenda is dead on arrival. Since decades when you and the other Omanbala guy began agitating for such identity on nairaland, it hasn't received any attention. What does that tell you? Dead on arrival!
Igbo unity is here to stay. And despite the shenanigans of the enemies within, we'll always thrive. Igbo unity is non-negotiable. Even your ngwa people can testify to this.

UdechiHD, if that is what you believe, then try it. Truly try to force the non-negotiable mandate of "Igbo Unity". Many Ngwa have lost faith in Biafra, just like the first time around. You want them to continue sticking with you without a real plan simply because of "Igbo Unity"? Let's see how long that last; your "Igbo Unity" without a real plan.

For over 10 years now, I have been asking you people for a real plan and real considerations and all you’ve ever given in response is “Igbo Unity”. A waste.

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Do you have any issues with Anambra state before?

ChinenyeN:
UdechiHD, if that is what you believe, then try it. Truly try to force the non-negotiable mandate of "Igbo Unity". Many Ngwa have lost faith in Biafra, just like the first time around. You want them to continue sticking with you without a real plan simply because of "Igbo Unity"? Let's see how long that last; your "Igbo Unity" without a real plan.

Many Igbos and not just Ngwa people! When charlatans and business men hijack a movement it always ends up in charade.
My Orlu people too have lost hope in the MASSOB/IPOB styled Biafra. Those who think a referendum will do the opposite will be shocked down to the bone marrow. So the idea of Biafra to ginger Igbo unity is dead on arrival. Igbo unity is not a Siamese twin to the actualization of Biafra. The fight for Biafra balkanized us in 1970 because of how it was handled, and no true Igbo will pray for that to happen again, especially as it is being led by nincompoops.
Only an Igbo only country can assuage our fears. But while we remain in Nigeria, we must continue to uphold Igbo interest and guard it jealously.

ChinenyeN:
UdechiHD, if that is what you believe, then try it. Truly try to force the non-negotiable mandate of "Igbo Unity". Many Ngwa have lost faith in Biafra, just like the first time around. You want them to continue sticking with you without a real plan simply because of "Igbo Unity"? Let's see how long that last; your "Igbo Unity" without a real plan.

IPOB is purely Nnamdi kanus' baby. So the headquarter is domiciled there and is all about Igbo.

Seems you're the only one on this race.

So far, Obi1kenobi has been one of the most sensible voices I have so far heard in the past ten years from any of you. It is baffling the lengths that any of you would go to argue with him, when it is more likely that he can conceive of a better, more substantive plan of action (if he were so tasked with it or if he took it upon himself). This is how "Igbo Unity" goes around silencing reasonable voices from people with discerning mindsets; just to come around and continue playing the same all-or-nothing game, wearing your civil war grievances on your sleeves, choosing to not heal and as a consequence, choosing to always be at war with yourself and others. This is not how you succeed in building a forum that will actually work. If nothing else, you are simply creating an emotional support group.

Osagyefo98:
IPOB is purely Nnamdi kanus' baby. So the headquarter is domiciled there and is all about Igbo.

Seems you're the only one on this race.

IPOB is the successor to MASSOB. Whether or not it is Kanu's baby is irrelevant. IPOB represents the failure of letting a single man stir up zealots as well as an already emotionally-charged and desperate people. The vacuum was created because of MASSOB's inability to build anything substantive and "Nwa Chineke" took advantage of it. But like clockwork and in typical fashion, IPOB too has gone in the same direction as MASSOB; nothing substantive. If anything, IPOB is even more unstable, like a small child throwing tantrums. We distanced ourselves from them for a reason.

UdechiHD:
Many Igbos and not just Ngwa people! When charlatans and business men hijack a movement it always ends up in charade.
My Orlu people too have lost hope in the MASSOB/IPOB styled Biafra. Those who think a referendum will do the opposite will be shocked down to the bone marrow. So the idea of Biafra to ginger Igbo unity is dead on arrival. Igbo unity is not a Siamese twin to the actualization of Biafra. The fight for Biafra balkanized us in 1970 because of how it was handled, and no true Igbo will pray for that to happen again, especially as it is being led by nincompoops.
Only an Igbo only country can assuage our fears. But while we remain in Nigeria, we must continue to uphold Igbo interest and guard it jealously.

If you are saying this, then why can't you see that this is all the more reason to use the head rather than the heart. This notion of a non-negotiable "Igbo Unity" is a heart-driven mantra. It does not address the actual reality we face in which we have to make decisions irrespective of such a mantra. In other words, "Igbo Unity" does not come close to describing our reality. It is not substantive. Can't you see that? Something else or something more is needed.

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Lol!

You will never change. You took my words our of context and ran along with your preconceived agenda.
By not writing in[b]proper Igbo[/b] I meant not writing with Onwu alphabets, not really about Ngwa dialect. I lived in Aba for 4 years, I have been to interiors of Ugwunagbo and Isialangwa/Obingwa for burial ceremonies and traditional marriages, I have interacted with villagers there, so I know that Ngwa dialect is intelligible to other Igbos on first contact.
I only noted you have continuously refused to write a proper Igbo (Onwu alphabets) that the rest of us would understand. Ya bu ihe ndi ika gboo!

I know the idiosyncrasies of a typical Ngwa man. Abaribe typifies that, he never shies away from pan Igbo interests and there is a reason Aba ngwa is like the epicenter of Igbo nationalism under Biafranism.
So nope, you don't in anyway represent the average Ngwa man. You are more of an anomaly, a divisive one for that matter. You have always been this way right from the days of EzeUche and Onlytruth until now. So don't kid yourself by thinking otherwise or think I will talk down on Ngwa contributions to Pan Igbo unity because of an outliner like you, mbanu.

You know what destroys a people? It's the presence of non conformists like you, who constitue themselves centrifugal forces that eventually develop a crack in the system for vultures to exploit. It's the innately parochial and clannish entities like yourself who are incapable of rising above atavistic instincts to embrace a United encompassing stance for the upliftment of the group.

The way of nature is chaos. Entropy will always be increased in a system that is left alone . Order that Unity represents can only be achieved by conscious strainous efforts and sacrifice by those who must will it. Order or unity is never stumbled upon. If there will be Igbo unity, then we all must lose parts of ourselves to discover and accept parts of each other.
This is how it is.

ChinenyeN:


You've been on NL long enough to have witnessed others ask me this question. Let us not repeat history for the sake of repeating it. I have maintained an active presence on Igbo- related matters, both social, cultural, lingustic and political. Your memory of me should provide you the answer to your question.

And i've been long enough not to decipher hat you keep driving at. It always seems just like the Ikwerres, you don't think Ngwa people are Igbo or should belong to the Igbo umbrella, yet i see you up in Igbo issues and topics. I think it's high time you made it clear where you stand.

ChinenyeN, I use to hold you in high regards when I joined this forum, until I found you out. You were no different from Solomon Omojie, Nripriest aka Omanbala and the other Ikwerre dude who craved the dearth of Igbo ethnic existence.

You talk about, what we've done to uphold Igbo unity, what is the purpose of this forum if not to consummate brotherhood and ethnic bond amongst our people. I guess you were happy with the division that swept us when we ignorantly allowed state created forums to supercede Igbo unity. We saw how it ended, when Omanbala and Chino hijacked the Anambra forum on one hand, if not for the maturity of that changed the narrative and also Abagworo on the other hand hijacking the Imo forum which at the end saw the invitiation of outsiders to have a field day in our midst. And what have you been doing since the past ten years?

The efforts you dissipate trying to divide us for a decade now, should be used to unite us. But thank God we still have men like Pazienza and Spyder who are unapologetic in matters that concerns Ndigbo. Despite the bee-like disturbances of the Igbo denials and their south-south champions on one hand and the IPOB touts and the Afonja's on another hand who come to interfere in our business from time to time we still find a way to thrive.
Oh yes, we've not gotten there yet, but we'll get there someday.

Pazienza, there is a reason why I state that Ngwa people have generally "moved on", but don't kid yourself. If given the choice of Biafra or a separate nation-state, you should know Ngwa people's sentiment on that. It's been a known sentiment since 1910, when the British decided they'd begin to pull out of colonial rule. You may not be as privy as you seem to believe.

Also, please don't delude yourself. The only reason Aba Ngwa is a nexus for Igbo nationalism is because Igbo nationalists like you reside there. It's an "Igbo urban city" for God's sake. I'm not sure what else you would expect.

I may be on the more extreme end of the spectrum, but the sentiment I echo didn't come out of thin air. Ya nwhne ma ka.

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Afam4eva, you've been on NL long enough to know that I don't play games that require taking arbitrary stances. My actions should speak for themselves and should be the only relevant thing worth looking at.

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UdechiHD, uvuvu l'ezi. So, out of everything I have contributed to Igbo here on NL, it is because I do not carry your "Igbo Unity" zeal that it all gets discarded in your eyes. Do you not see what I mean? Do you not see just how toxic and wasteful the mantra of "Igbo Unity" is? Rather than make real progress, you all spent the past ten years arguing with me. Despite that, I remained active and contributory on Igbo-related topics. If you haven't yet noticed, I'll make it clear for you. You've all squandered "Igbo Unity".

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

No matter what you say or do, I will always love Ngwa people till death. I grew up amongst them and they created the Lagos of the East which is Aba. In Aba Ngwa I met igbos from all over Igboland working hard and doing business and flourishing. Anyi wu otu and nothing can change that. Not even you and your likes.

ChinenyeN:


IPOB is the successor to MASSOB. Whether or not it is Kanu's baby is irrelevant. IPOB represents the failure of letting a single man stir up zealots as well as an already emotionally-charged and desperate people. The vacuum was created because of MASSOB's inability to build anything substantive and "Nwa Chineke" took advantage of it. But like clockwork and in typical fashion, IPOB too has gone in the same direction as MASSOB; nothing substantive. If anything, IPOB is even more unstable, like a small child throwing tantrums. We distanced ourselves from them for a reason.

You or we?

The last time I checked the zone is the stronghold of IPOB.

ChinenyeN:
Pazienza, there is a reason why I state that Ngwa people have generally "moved on", but don't kid yourself. If given the choice of Biafra or a separate nation-state, you should know Ngwa people's sentiment on that. It's been a known sentiment since 1910, when the British decided they'd begin to pull out of colonial rule. You may not be as privy as you seem to believe.

Also, please don't delude yourself. The only reason Aba Ngwa is a nexus for Igbo nationalism is because Igbo nationalists like you reside there. It's an "Igbo urban city" for God's sake. I'm not sure what else you would expect.

I may be on the more extreme end of the spectrum, but the sentiment I echo didn't come out of thin air. Ya nwhne ma ka.

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Afam4eva, you've been on NL long enough to know that I don't play games that require taking arbitrary stances. My actions should speak for themselves and should be the only relevant thing worth looking at.

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UdechiHD, uvuvu l'ezi. So, out of everything I have contributed to Igbo here on NL, it is because I do not carry your "Igbo Unity" zeal that it all gets discarded in your eyes. Do you not see what I mean? Do you not see just how toxic and wasteful the mantra of "Igbo Unity" is? Rather than make real progress, you all spent the past ten years arguing with me. Despite that, I remained active and contributory on Igbo-related topics. If you haven't yet noticed, I'll make it clear for you. You've all squandered "Igbo Unity".

The Ngwa you talk about is probably the Ngwa that exists in your parochial and clannish fantasies.
Not the Ngwa I met at Ngwa villages I have been to.
Ngwa ethnic nationalism by 1920 is not stronger than those of Asa, Ndoki, Onitsha, Nnewi, Awka,Aro etc.
All Igbo clans had their own independent clannish sentiments before we all united for collective good.
So don't come here pretending like you are supplying us with a new info that is not already a public knowledge.

Osagyefo98, I'd encourage you to do some Google searching and research Ngwa people's sentiments over the past decades.

horsepower102, it is fine if you love Ngwa people. We don't hate you either.

@topic, let is not forget why I even posted here to begin with. I am Pro-Forum. I've stated so explicitly before and will state it again. I am in favor of an honest and open dialogue that will seek to build something substantive going forward. But yet again, just as it's been the past 10 years, some of you want to break your backs over your notions of divisiveness, rather than anything else.

Pazienza, it is because that this is public knowledge that I am baffled at the extent to which people like you want to continue arguing with me. I did not come here to share anything new. I came here to talk about realities, instead of some "Igbo Unity" fable that you all have been yarning for the past 10+ years.

pazienza:


The Ngwa you talk about is probably the Ngwa that exists in your parochial and clannish fantasies.
Not the Ngwa I met at Ngwa villages I have been to.
Ngwa ethnic nationalism by 1920 is not stronger than those of Asa, Ndoki, Onitsha, Nnewi, Awka,Aro etc.
All Igbo clans had their own independent clannish sentiments before we all united for collective good.
So don't come here pretending like you are supplying us with a new info that is not already a public knowledge.

I have consistently warned here that you should stop forcing your Ideology on others on the pan Igbo matter.

If the people of Abia state wants to have Abia cum Ngwa ethnic group, they are free to start practicing their own ethnic nationality.

Stop been too dictating. Abia state as a whole can form their own ethnic group.

ChinenyeN:
Osagyefo98, I'd encourage you to do some Google searching and research Ngwa people's sentiments over the past decades.

horsepower102, it is fine if you love Ngwa people. We don't hate you either.

@topic, let is not forget why I even posted here to begin with. I am Pro-Forum. I've stated so explicitly before and will state it again. I am in favor of an honest and open dialogue that will seek to build something substantive going forward. But yet again, just as it's been the past 10 years, some of you want to break your backs over your notions of divisiveness, rather than anything else.

Ngwa people can do as they want. I so hold.

They have our support and blessings.

ChinenyeN:
So far, Obi1kenobi has been one of the most sensible voices I have so far heard in the past ten years from any of you. It is baffling the lengths that any of you would go to argue with him, when it is more likely that he can conceive of a better, more substantive plan of action (if he were so tasked with it or if he took it upon himself). This is how "Igbo Unity" goes around silencing reasonable voices from people with discerning mindsets; just to come around and continue playing the same all-or-nothing game, wearing your civil war grievances on your sleeves, choosing to not heal and as a consequence, choosing to always be at war with yourself and others. This is not how you succeed in building a forum that will actually work. If nothing else, you are simply cnreating an emotional support group.

So in a nut shell. Tell me what is reasonable in Obikenobi suggestion of Igbos backing Amtoekun that is obviously a treacherous Yoruba scheme aimed at power grab.
So far he has failed to show us what and how Ndiigbo are to benefit from actively supporting Amotekun.
If you think he has a reasonable point, why not join the debate than all these childish tantrums you are throwing about?

So you think we have to substitute Pan Igboism with your clannish emotionalism that will lead us all into nowhere?
We all should descend into the *I no be Ibo, I be that* madness? You hazard that's a better substitute to working on Igbo unity?


Since you have been on this forum, all you have done is to spread bitterness against other Igbos. You don't like Aros, you obviously don't like Ndi Anambra, you accuse Ndi Anambra of hijacking the modern Igbo language, when everyone can see the language is more or less Umuahia/Imo state based in words at least.
All you have done on this forum is cry. You are friends with anyone who attack Ndiigbo or Igbo unity. You have not for once contributed to Igbo defense in whatever form.
You belong to the past on this forum, and I'm surprised you have decided not to stay there.

Osagyefo98:




I have consistently warned here that you should stop forcing your Ideology on others on the pan Igbo matter.

If the people of Abia state wants to have Abia cum Ngwa ethnic group, they are free to start practicing their own ethnic nationality.

Stop been too dictating. Abia state as a whole can form their own ethnic group.

I'm happy you are now replying through one of your main handles.
Don't think any one here is oblivious to your non Igbo identity.
Better go log into your numerous accounts and start your normal display of...

As for ChinenyeN, we always know how to handle him when his *skosko* starts. No be today.

ChinenyeN:
Pazienza, it is because that this is public knowledge that I am baffled at the extent to which people like you want to continue arguing with me. I did not come here to share anything new. I came here to talk about realities, instead of some "Igbo Unity" fable that you all have been yarning for the past 10+ years.

Igbo Unity is not a fable, it's the reality. The present and the future.
You and your clannish types are a dying breed in Igbo land, you will all go into extinction, yet Igbo unity will only grow stronger.

It's a common knowledge that Igbos exist in units where each unit see themselves as an independent entity. But that's in the past.

The future is now. Igbo unity has come to stay. Get used to it and stop throwing tantrums all around.

pazienza:


So in a nut shell. Tell me what is reasonable in Obikenobi suggestion of Igbos backing Amtoekun that is obviously a treacherous Yoruba scheme aimed at power grab.
So far he has failed to show us what and how Ndiigbo are to benefit from actively supporting Amotekun.
If you think he has a reasonable point, why not join the debate than all these childish tantrums you are throwing about?

So you think we have to substitute Pan Igboism with your clannish emotionalism that will lead us all into nowhere?
We all should descend into the *I no be Ibo, I be that* madness? You hazard that's a better substitute to working on Igbo unity?


Since you have been on this forum, all you have done is to spread bitterness against other Igbos. You don't like Aros, you obviously don't like Ndi Anambra, you accuse Ndi Anambra of hijacking the modern Igbo language, when everyone can see the language is more or less Umuahia/Imo state based in words at least.
All you have done on this forum is cry. You are friends with anyone who attack Ndiigbo or Igbo unity. You have not for once contributed to Igbo defense in whatever form.
You belong to the past on this forum, and I'm surprised you have decided not to stay there.

Tell that Obi1kenobi that Amotekun is purely Illegal. Infact it is a terrorist organisation that wants to undermine the constitution of Nigeria and should be disbanded.

Anyway as I earlier stated SW (Yorubas) are trying to be smart by half and thinks nobody sees through the wooly circle. Maybe he thinks others are suffering from schizophrenia like some do.


Amotekun as a regional force cannot stand and must be nipped to the mud. Yorubas want regional Amotekun but are smartly avoid constitutional review which is the root cause of all the crises and where all the problems lies and same. Constitution is what AGF, police and the rest stand to counter Amotekun.

If SW needs regional force they shoul rally for Constitutional review that will guarantee them regional force. And of course we will gladly support such move where both referendum, security, the resources control, infact full restructuring will be considered.


This will guarantee them regional force as well empower every Nigeria to face any rascal head on.


Both clearly always feeling they are smart because they only support restructuring by mouth and media. Clearly boycotted the right thing and set up regional force and now want to use media to make it scale through.


I hate deceit and why are they not talking about constitutional reviews that guarantees them all they want.


So since that's the game and I am not interested in their 2023 brigandage or whatever, Amotekun remains unlawful and a terrorist organisation.




If they need that we can support them through review and of course it is not lost on me that SE, SS even NC wants same review then why are they avoiding same process.

4 zones against 2 will get it done.


Telling me I will go to court to know if it is legal is like taking a condom to your traditional marriage.