Osagyefo98:


You or we?

The last time I checked the zone is the stronghold of IPOB.

Ngwas are not Igbos, let it enter into that your thick skull..Ngwa people aren't igbos

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

I have always known Ngwa people aren't Igbos...I can't even understand your dialect, you're not Igbo

Ngwa people are largely short statured and have other behaviours not found amongst Igbos..so you're not Igbo..just don't confuse the fact that other Igbos live in Aba, we are only colonizing you

ChinenyeN:
Osagyefo98, I'd encourage you to do some Google searching and research Ngwa people's sentiments over the past decades.

horsepower102, it is fine if you love Ngwa people. We don't hate you either.

@topic, let is not forget why I even posted here to begin with. I am Pro-Forum. I've stated so explicitly before and will state it again. I am in favor of an honest and open dialogue that will seek to build something substantive going forward. But yet again, just as it's been the past 10 years, some of you want to break your backs over your notions of divisiveness, rather than anything else.

There is no we here. You are an extreme minority in this issue. The beauty and curse of online forums is that it has the potential to magnify minority opinions. People with Your mentality exists but definitely not in any significant numbers in this day and age. It’s simply myopic and self limiting.

Pazienza, if you believe my comments are about "clannish emotionalism", then you have severely and grossly missed the point. Go and read again.

Between yourself and Obi1kenobi, you are the one that is overly focused on Amotekun that you are failing to see its congruence with part of what is needed for self-sufficiency and decentralization. Ob1kenobi put it in a simple and straightforward manner. The success of Amotekun establishes precedence. In my opinion, a much needed precedence. It brings us closer to a self-governing reality, rather than one dependent upon handouts from FG. The precedence that Amotekun can potentially establish would provide a legal basis to even retire IPOB and place something more reasonable and substantive in its place. Instead of you to see the congruence, you're focused on power grabbing. You're focused on the stereotype of "cowardly Yoruba". You're focused on so many more emotional things.

Your concern is "Ndigbo" in SW. Yet, you cannot bring yourself to think about how Ndi Igbo, who probably provide more GDP per capita, can be leveraged in SW both as an act of good faith and to learn from the Amotekun implementation, and maybe even establish some level of equity in Amotekun, since there are Igbo in SW who probably have enough combined affluence to make make themselves (and consequently Ndi Igbo) stakeholders. Using one's head, there are so many other things that can be discussed about the implications of Amotekun instead of being so focused on presidency. The precedence that can be established takes us one step closer towards devaluing the presidency, if it is something that can be harnessed and controlled well enough.

But you won't see that. even as persistent security concerns continue to plague Nigeria. Now, if I am misunderstanding all the news I have so far been observing concerning Amotekun, then please, enlighten me. I came here for open and honest discourse and for real movement forward that I've been inquiring about for the past decade. So, please, do enlighten me.

pazienza:


I'm happy you are now replying through one of your main handles.
Don't think any one here is oblivious to your non Igbo identity.
Better go log into your numerous accounts and start your normal display of...

As for ChinenyeN, we always know how to handle him when his *skosko* starts. No be today.

I am the osagyefo of Igboland. I have the tendencies and attributes of Osagyefo Dr Kwame Nkrumah.

I have that urgency in me to always set the record straight . In Kwame Nkrumah inimical style I must always remind Igbos that the time is now because I have a good sense of urgency.

Kwame nkrumah was not a dictator.

okpalaAnambra, liala whne ojoo sii, ma mma hyi nhyihyi l'obe. People like your are annoyances.

horsepower102:
There is no we here. You are an extreme minority in this issue. The beauty and curse of online forums is that it has the potential to magnify minority opinions. People with Your mentality exists but definitely not in any significant numbers in this day and age. It’s simply myopic and self limiting.

I said we don't hate you and you get angry? What sense does that make? I basically just said that we are not enemies, and this is how you choose to respond?

ChinenyeN:


If you are saying this, then why can't you see that this is all the more reason to use the head rather than the heart. This notion of a non-negotiable "Igbo Unity" is a heart-driven mantra. It does not address the actual reality we face in which we have to make decisions irrespective of such a mantra. In other words, "Igbo Unity" does not come close to describing our reality. It is not substantive. Can't you see that? Something else or something more is needed.

I have already preached using the head in our daily lives and not the heart. IPOB and other Igbo vested parties always play with Igbo hearts in decision making and our people fall prey for them. Imagine a nobody as Kanu leading an army of emotional zombies that don't think for themselves, they don't read or follow events to discern facts from fiction and only swallow hook, line and sinker all IPOB Zionist ideals.

Now back the issue ChinenyeN!
If Ngwa extremist just as you want to maintain a level of Ngwa consciousness nothing stops you from doing so. If the Izzi of Ebonyi can maintain their consciousness despite being overwhelming pro-Igbo nothing stops your people from doing so. In fact every Igbo subgroup still maintains a level of independence in their locality while still uphold the Igbo bu Igbo mantra.

However, the problem with many of you, including the Omanbala champions is inferiority complex. The same inferiority complex that made the Ikwerre denied their identity is the same problem facing your people. If you're not blaming Ndigbo for one thing, you'll always want to blame us for another thing. You'll want to exploit fictional reasons why Igbo izugbe is eroding Ngwa identity. But the question remains, how many times have you blamed yourselves for own failures? The Ikwerre for instance felt that getting free from Igbo identity will bring about a cultural renaissance in their daily activities. But it didn't happen, rather it exposed their limitations.

okpalaAnambra:

Ngwas are not Igbos, let it enter into that your thick skull..Ngwa people aren't igbos

ChinenyeN and okpalaAnambra all from Abia state.

Please look for one corner and settle your differences.

There are other pressing issues to discuss than this tantrums.

okpalaAnambra:

Ngwas are not Igbos, let it enter into that your thick skull..Ngwa people aren't igbos

ChinenyeN and okpalaAnambra both from Abia state.

Please look for one corner and settle your differences.

There are other pressing issues to discuss than this tantrums.

ChinenyeN:
okpalaAnambra, liala whne ojoo sii, ma mma hyi nhyihyi l'obe. People like your are annoyances.

Please write what someone will understand.

Both of you can still go to Abia state thread sort it out please.

pazienza:
Igbo Unity is not a fable, it's the reality. The present and the future.
You and your clannish types are a dying breed in Igbo land, you will all go into extinction, yet Igbo unity will only grow stronger.

It's a common knowledge that Igbos exist in units where each unit see themselves as an independent entity. But that's in the past.

The future is now. Igbo unity has come to stay. Get used to it and stop throwing tantrums all around.

"Igbo Unity is not a fable", yet the past decade has shown an ever-declining state of affairs in the SE. "Igbo Unity" has not once come to solve the problem we are all facing. This is akin to people who always pray to God for deliverance rather than making their own fate.

ChinenyeN:
Pazienza, if you believe my comments are about "clannish emotionalism", then you have severely and grossly missed the point. Go and read again.

Between yourself and Obi1kenobi, you are the one that is overly focused on Amotekun that you are failing to see its congruence with part of what is needed for self-sufficiency and decentralization. Ob1kenobi put it in a simple and straightforward manner. The success of Amotekun establishes precedence. In my opinion, a much needed precedence. It brings us closer to a self-governing reality, rather than one dependent upon handouts from FG. The precedence that Amotekun can potentially establish would provide a legal basis to even retire IPOB and place something more reasonable and substantive in its place. Instead of you to see the congruence, you're focused on power grabbing. You're focused on the stereotype of "cowardly Yoruba". You're focused on so many more emotional things.

Your concern is "Ndigbo" in SW. Yet, you cannot bring yourself to think about how Ndi Igbo, who probably provide more GDP per capita, can be leveraged in SW both as an act of good faith and to learn from the Amotekun implementation, and maybe even establish some level of equity in Amotekun, since there are Igbo in SW who probably have enough combined affluence to make make themselves (and consequently Ndi Igbo) stakeholders. Using one's head, there are so many other things that can be discussed about the implications of Amotekun instead of being so focused on presidency. The precedence that can be established takes us one step closer towards devaluing the presidency, if it is something that can be harnessed and controlled well enough.

But you won't see that. even as persistent security concerns continue to plague Nigeria. Now, if I am misunderstanding all the news I have so far been observing concerning Amotekun, then please, enlighten me. I came here for open and honest discourse and for real movement forward that I've been inquiring about for the past decade. So, please, do enlighten me.

ISHILOVE, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF U.

THE ONLY THING HE KNOWS IS NGWA, HE DONT LIKE IGBO.

ONLY PROBLEM IS HIS PEOPLE DO NOT DENY IGBO, UNLIKE YOUR UKWUANI PEOPLE WHO DO.

SO HE IS ON A LONG TING.

THIS IS Y I URGE RESTRAINT WEN DEALING WITH DENIERS.


EVEN AMONG THE BEST OF US, THEIR IS THIS CLANISH OVER-DRIVE THAT SET IN FROM TIME TO TIME.


WEN IT DOES, IT IS LIKE IGBO DONT EXIST.



IT IS NGWA, UKWUANI, IKWERE, IKA, OMAMBALA, ORLU, IDEMILI ETC.

ChinenyeN:
Pazienza, if you believe my comments are about "clannish emotionalism", then you have severely and grossly missed the point. Go and read again.

Between yourself and Obi1kenobi, you are the one that is overly focused on Amotekun that you are failing to see its congruence with part of what is needed for self-sufficiency and decentralization. Ob1kenobi put it in a simple and straightforward manner. The success of Amotekun establishes precedence. In my opinion, a much needed precedence. It brings us closer to a self-governing reality, rather than one dependent upon handouts from FG. The precedence that Amotekun can potentially establish would provide a legal basis to even retire IPOB and place something more reasonable and substantive in its place. Instead of you to see the congruence, you're focused on power grabbing. You're focused on the stereotype of "cowardly Yoruba". You're focused on so many more emotional things.

Your concern is "Ndigbo" in SW. Yet, you cannot bring yourself to think about how Ndi Igbo, who probably provide more GDP per capita, can be leveraged in SW both as an act of good faith and to learn from the Amotekun implementation, and maybe even establish some level of equity in Amotekun, since there are Igbo in SW who probably have enough combined affluence to make make themselves (and consequently Ndi Igbo) stakeholders. Using one's head, there are so many other things that can be discussed about the implications of Amotekun instead of being so focused on presidency. The precedence that can be established takes us one step closer towards devaluing the presidency, if it is something that can be harnessed and controlled well enough.

But you won't see that. even as persistent security concerns continue to plague Nigeria. Now, if I am misunderstanding all the news I have so far been observing concerning Amotekun, then please, enlighten me. I came here for open and honest discourse and for real movement forward that I've been inquiring about for the past decade. So, please, do enlighten me.

Allowing Amotekun to succeed won't set any precedence rather it will dwindle you further.

If SW needs regional security watch which constitution didn't have provision for such then let them come to pressure for constitutional review so that everybody will set up a security network that is backed by constitution.

Not tomorrow if you set up a security outfit and when FG feels like they will use police force to disbanded everything you laboured for.

UdechiHD:
I have already preached using the head in our daily lives and not the heart. IPOB and other Igbo vested parties always play with Igbo hearts in decision making and our people fall prey for them. Imagine a nobody as Kanu leading an army of emotional zombies that don't think for themselves, they don't read or follow events to discern facts from fiction and only swallow hook, line and sinker all IPOB Zionist ideals.

Exacty! Someone who was hiding in the UK, enjoying himself, will come and easily inspire zealots in the SE. That is a BIG concern. That should be a BIG concern to everyone.

ChinenyeN:
Pazienza, if you believe my comments are about "clannish emotionalism", then you have severely and grossly missed the point. Go and read again.

Between yourself and Obi1kenobi, you are the one that is overly focused on Amotekun that you are failing to see its congruence with part of what is needed for self-sufficiency and decentralization. Ob1kenobi put it in a simple and straightforward manner. The success of Amotekun establishes precedence. In my opinion, a much needed precedence. It brings us closer to a self-governing reality, rather than one dependent upon handouts from FG. The precedence that Amotekun can potentially establish would provide a legal basis to even retire IPOB and place something more reasonable and substantive in its place. Instead of you to see the congruence, you're focused on power grabbing. You're focused on the stereotype of "cowardly Yoruba". You're focused on so many more emotional things.

Your concern is "Ndigbo" in SW. Yet, you cannot bring yourself to think about how Ndi Igbo, who probably provide more GDP per capita, can be leveraged in SW both as an act of good faith and to learn from the Amotekun implementation, and maybe even establish some level of equity in Amotekun, since there are Igbo in SW who probably have enough combined affluence to make make themselves (and consequently Ndi Igbo) stakeholders. Using one's head, there are so many other things that can be discussed about the implications of Amotekun instead of being so focused on presidency. The precedence that can be established takes us one step closer towards devaluing the presidency, if it is something that can be harnessed and controlled well enough.

But you won't see that. even as persistent security concerns continue to plague Nigeria. Now, if I am misunderstanding all the news I have so far been observing concerning Amotekun, then please, enlighten me. I came here for open and honest discourse and for real movement forward that I've been inquiring about for the past decade. So, please, do enlighten me.

Why not being a fan of Osagyefo , I believe he did a good run down on why Amotekun lack any substance.
It takes only common sense to know that Amotekun is not established to achieve success. Those who are behind it are not illiterates. I have to look beyond the charade to guess what it's all about.
I will hold on to my opinions about Amotekun and Yoruba treachery I expressed here, until proven otherwise.

Osagyefo98:



Tell that Obi1kenobi that Amotekun is purely Illegal. Infact it is a terrorist organisation that wants to undermine the constitution of Nigeria and should be disbanded.

Anyway as I earlier stated SW (Yorubas) are trying to be smart by half and thinks nobody sees through the wooly circle. Maybe he thinks others are suffering from schizophrenia like some do.


Amotekun as a regional force cannot stand and must be nipped to the mud. Yorubas want regional Amotekun but are smartly avoid constitutional review which is the root cause of all the crises and where all the problems lies and same. Constitution is what AGF, police and the rest stand to counter Amotekun.

If SW needs regional force they shoul rally for. Constitutional review that will guarantee them regional force. And of course we will gladly support such move where both referendum, security, the resources control, infact full restructuring will be considered.


This will guarantee them regional force as well empower every Nigeria to face any rascal head on.


Both clearly always feeling they are smart because they one support restructuring by mouth and media. Clearly boycotted the right thing and set up regional force and now want to use media to make it scale through.


I hate deceit and why are they not talking about constitutional reviews that guarantees them all they want.


So since that the game and I am not interested in their 2023 brigandage or whatever, Amotekun remains unlawful and a terrorist organisation.




If they need that we can support them through review and of course it is not lost on me that SE, SS even NC wants same review then why are they avoiding same process.

4 zones against 2 will get it done.


Telling me I will go to court to know if it is legal is like taking a condom to your traditional marriage.

ChinenyeN.
Go through this post to get a better understanding of issues at stake.

Osagyefo98:
Allowing Amotekun to succeed won't set any precedence rather it will dwindle you further.

If SW needs regional security watch which constitution didn't have provision for such then let them come to pressure for constitutional review so that everybody will set up a security network that is backed by constitution.

Not tomorrow if you set up a security outfit and when FG feels like they will use police force to disbanded everything you laboured for.

The success of Amotekun by default invites constitutional review. Anything that passes in court or as a legislative bill is in fact setting a precedent. That gives us actual power. It puts actual power in the hands of communities. It provides actual leverage for further reforms. Beyond that, it address a real and pressing need in the country; a person's everyday security. Amotekun is something real and the way the SW basically put FG in a tight spot is to be commended. Their failure to meet security challenges and yet standing against Amotekun further proves its incompetence. An actual case can be made because of the everyday lives of Nigerians, and just like that--like the snap of a finger--a precedent is established.

pazienza:
ChinenyeN. Go through this post to get a better understanding of issues at stake.

Thank you. Was that so hard?
I will gladly read through it, because I actually want to understand the implications and the differing views of others on this topic.

Ishilove:

My origin is of no relation to the topic of the thread. Let's stick to that.

ok! no wahala..

Osagyefo98:


ChinenyeN and okpalaAnambra both from Abia state.

Please look for one corner and settle your differences.

There are other pressing issues to discuss than this tantrums.

Abum nwoke Nnewi, ...just shut it this Edo boy

Lol.

You guys will argue endlessly, yet none of the memorandum agreed on here reaches the tables of relevant figure heads or authorities.

And so i just come here to become amused and leave peacefully.

ChinenyeN:
okpalaAnambra, liala whne ojoo sii, ma mma hyi nhyihyi l'obe. People like your are annoyances.

Mechie gi Onu..you're not Igbo, I can't even understand you, imagine the words in your wack language..lol

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Word !

No forced unity...we must maintain our separate uniqueness. It is not stopping us from pursuing a common goal. Example is Igbo Izugbe- it's failure lies in the attempt to foist a manufactured Igbo on everyone.

Pazienza i like the way you analyse issues on this thread. Never mind your critics




God bless you



LONG LIVE THE GREAT IGBO RACE...

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The success of Amotekun by default invites constitutional review.

Allowing Amotekun to scale through will never give you constitutional review. Do you think you are dealing with dafts or illiterates? Do you think they are not aware that Amotekun is purely illegal which was why their first statement on the day of launching was "we don't want Nigeria to divide"


If you are a good student of history time has come that not what anybody brings on you will rush to support. First sit and check the pros and cons.

There is no place regional force is guaranteed in our constitution and since yorubas needs that due to pressing insecurities let their senators and reps come forward and we all push for constitutional amendment. Total overhaul of the constitution.

But of course, they will dodge it and try to twist why trying to use the media to make it seems legal.

Amotekun won't benefit you but will only by review.

Anything that passes in court or as a legislative bill is in fact setting a precedent. That gives us actual power. It puts actual power in the hands of communities. It provides actual leverage for further reforms. Beyond that, it address a real and pressing need in the country; a person's everyday security. Amotekun is something real and the way the SW basically put FG in a tight spot is to be commended.

Amotekun is not real. If they are real and sincere they know what to do and get their regional force.

You're dealing with people that always try to play smart.

Everybody is having same insecurity and what we need is a permanent not a stylish temporary solutions

Their failure to meet security challenges and yet standing against Amotekun further proves its incompetence. An actual case can be made because of the everyday lives of Nigerians, and just like that--like the snap of a finger--a precedent is established.

They are right to stand against it. For years the same constitution is what these same guys always use to stand against you in anything but when opportunity calls for review instead of taking it up you want to cut corners.

They don't want constitutional review because to them Osibanjo might be affected if they consider him for 2023 post.


Boris Johnson saw that he won't scale through with the number he has in parliament, called for an election and now has the number to achieve his aim.


Yorubas needs amotekun then let's all gun for constitutional review to guarantee everybody what they need. That's the permanent solutions

okpalaAnambra:

Abum nwoke Nnewi, ...just shut it this Edo boy

Please stop impersonating my state.

Are you not tire of this rubbish.

Somebody should tell us how to get out of this political wilderness

Osagyefo98:


Please stop impersonating my state.

Are you not tire of this rubbish.

You're an Edo boy ..you're not Igbo

hammerF:
THIS IS Y I URGE RESTRAINT WEN DEALING WITH DENIERS.


EVEN AMONG THE BEST OF US, THEIR IS THIS CLANISH OVER-DRIVE THAT SET IN FROM TIME TO TIME.


WEN IT DOES, IT IS LIKE IGBO DONT EXIST.



IT IS NGWA, UKWUANI, IKWERE, IKA, OMAMBALA, ORLU, IDEMILI ETC.

They need to be put in their place and told off.

ChinenyeN:


For someone who is supposedly an enlightened Igbo, you sure make foolish statements at times. So now tell me, is Ngwa not proper Igbo? You think statements like this would make me any more willing to adopt Igbo as my ethnic identity? This is the sort of nonsense you Igbo nationalists and Anambra-centrists love to do.

Yes. You’re correct. I do not see Ngwa as a subgroups of Igbo. It is a separate ethnic consciousness of its own for me. Why else is it that we as a group have yet to join World Igbo Congress? Why else is it that we as a group don't actively participate in "Igbo day"? Why else is it that we as a group are not active supporters of IPOB and even made our stance clear in 2016 and 2017? Why else did we Ngwa end up having bloody clashes with Biafran soldiers even while the war was ongoing? Even to this day, in as much as we would favor a disintegrated Nigeria, many of us, wonder if Biafra is the right choice for us. However, it has not affected our willingness to want to work toward the dismantling of the unfortunate state of Nigeria.

My reason for saying all of this is to bring reality to your doorstep. It was not long ago that people like you were treating Ngwa as some backwater, "not real Igbo" community. You think Ngwa people have forgotten, just because we've generally moved on? No. We haven’t. Now, people like you are here treating "Igbo" as a monolithic entity, and we are all supposed to just happily go along with you on that?

It doesn’t work that way. People like you want to play this Nigerian politics game as an all-or-nothing or zero-sum game. People like you want to create a forum, but silence anything that doesn't further your monolithic ideas and agenda, even if those who you silence are willing to work with you, despite the fact that they may not agree on everything.

This is the same mentality that helped destroy Biafra from the inside out the first time around. Yet, here you are ready to repeat history because of your cynicism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment that Igbo people can learn that there can be a political forum without the mandate of a single, monolithic, umbrella ethnic identity, that is the moment when Igbo can start to smell actual success. The moment that people like you stop getting in the way of other groups’ agency, the sooner people can make actual rational decisions for themselves, rather than decisions based on cynicism and fear-mongering.

If people like you are left unchecked and consequently force us into another confrontation that WE WILL AGAIN LOSE, that is when you will learn that support for IPOB and Biafra is truly scant. People like you need to loosen your grips on “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu Otu” so that people can come together of their own volition. Your one, cynical agenda does not define us all.

A forum ought to be established on something more than the wasted mantra of “Igbo Unity”. Left with you, you would rather that we all die together “maka anyị bụ ndị Igbo". It's not going to happen that way pal. If people do not feel that they have agency, then your efforts simply start and end with the bandwidth you consume posting on NL.

Who are the "we" in the above post? Not every Igbo group is a member of World Igbo Congress. In fact to the best of my knowledge, World Igbo Congress membership is based on individual admission. There are people from Ngwa who are members of World Igbo Congress. I am personally not a member of World Igbo Congress. The attitude displayed in the bolded constituted one of the reasons Ngwa person did not see the government house in Umuahia for a long time. I was born and raised in Ukwa and spent much of my life time in Aba. The indifferent attitude toward Igbo as shown in the above post was complete alien to Ngwa peeps in my orbit. If you are ashamed to be Igbo, you can say so and reframe from including every Ngwa person in your shenanigan. There is absolutely nothing wrong in standing up against a bully who visited with a fracas. My grandfather told me that even if I could not fight a bully that I should, at least, cough. Germany that existed as a country for century lost a war not once but twice. Biafra was not allowed to exist for day when it was foisted with war of attrition by the enemy that was numerically and materially stronger than Biafra yet the Biafra was able to bloody the noise of the aggressor. Today in Nigeria, Ndigbo had little respect because of their resiliency during the war. No ethnic nationality in Nigeria will even dream of starting a bush fire talk less fight a war.