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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:25pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
airmark: whoscored is updated every two minutes. The Salah update will not be there na. So also the rest 21 players who would get -/+ based on the goal. If I knew I would have snpped the upper part of the chart. airmark: Unsuccesful touch nko? Fred had the higest touches of 98 times, yet did not have any unsuccessful touch. Henderson had 2 unsuccesful touch despite having just 63. He also had less pass accuracy even though he passed only 50 compared to Fred 72. Henderson was playing in the better team. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by spillo1: 1:40pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro:LMFAO....You don't know ball. Na me fuccck up. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 1:54pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro: So those two minutes before update, activities during this period should be ignored, right? All your efforts to throw whoscored final ratings to the bin, won't work. You used whoscored rating last time, you must use it now. Not in-play rating, final rating is what is important. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:58pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Patrickmuf Please can we resolve this for once. Pereira/Lingard/Mata are playing in the numbet 10. The 'hole'position is not a central.midfield function. It is a forward role with main responsibility to create chances and linking play with left winger, right winger and the striker. I have some screenshots for you to understand. With this our arguments can be easier.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:09pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
These too will help you, Patrcik
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:13pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
airmark: Salah's goal came at nearly final whistle. I took it after Salah's goal. I am not throwing away final rating. I am interpreting whoscored ratings. Data analysis. After you have collated your data for your thesis, you have to analyse the components. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:03pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Just to clarify something based on what I just read about whoscored ratings. They update ratings every 30 seconds (although my observation those years was 2 mins). They adjust players rating at the end of 90 minutes based on every goal scored by their team and when they have kept a clean sheet. This is just for knowledge sake. All my argument still stand.a |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:06pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
During the normal game, they use over 200 live data to update ratings. Some data carry weight based on the area of pitch incidence occurred. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 3:23pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro: Why should you interpret concluded ratings? You want to now use VAR for your reliable site, when it doesn't favour your stand. Their final ratings are what we need and we know that Henderson was rated above Fred, no need for any further interpretation. It's either you tell us now that whoscored rating system is reliable or not. Then we may move to squawka and you show us if Fred was the best midfielder there too. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 3:26pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
If De Gea put the same energy he used to get all up in the ref's face into commanding his box, he'd have a better defensive record. James should have hacked down Salah from making it 2 but he decided to form escort services. Our guys are too gentle & nice. Na only ref dem sabi flex muscle for. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 3:27pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
diggz: Gbayi. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:44pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
airmark: Ratings are interpreted. It didn't start today. For instance, if a player took a red card for his team and they won, he would have heavy marks deducted for the red card. Analysis would reveal he was the hero, but not stats. Henderson was in a winning team, he got some free scores. Fred was the best on individual performance aside Dijk 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:44pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Lana1: Red card |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 3:50pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Lana1: We are already a goal down in the final moments of the game, why should he risk red and miss the next match? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Botfuss: 4:08pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Is coogar ever coming back?? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 4:13pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
When facts don't favour you, you'll use reason. If reason no work you go apply faith. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 4:29pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro: Ratings are intepreted but not to discredit the final ratings, like you attempted to do. Whoscored rated Henderson as the best midfielder on the pitch, Yes or No? Tell me how Fred did better than Henderson defensively as you earlier stated, with stats. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:39pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
airmark: This is not discrediting final rating but interpreting final ratings which we have done since 2013 here. A player who played 55 minutes and subbed off will have his ratings analysed in comparison with a other who played 90 mins. Many of such small factors come to play. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:41pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro:Pereira when attacking is an added body forward but in a defensive shape, he drops back into midfield. In the pictures you displayed, Pereira is an AMF whose responsibility is to link the midfield and attack, he is primarily a midfielder with freedom to join the attack. That he has that freedom doesn't mean he is an attacker... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 4:54pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
larride: elampiro:Well, i agree. Maybe he shouldn't have hacked Salah down. But he should have been all over Salah and made it difficult for him to shoot. James was right there and Salah still had such an easy shot on goal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 4:56pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Mata sef should ve stood in front of Allison to prevent him from kicking the ball to Salah. Instead he backed off as soon as Allison got to the loose ball. Smh! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:01pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Lana1: The tackle was poor. Salah would stand no chance if someone like Smalling, Valencia, Young was in James' position. Even Herrera. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:03pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
patrickmuf: And so what was Rooney's position and Welbeck's position in those pictures? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:08pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
The number 10 is never a central.midfielder. Simple. A midfield of 3 and a midfield of 2 are not the same. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:15pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
This is three man midfield. If we played Liverpool this was, you could say we played a three man midfield. But Perriera was playing in the hole behind James and Martial.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by diggz: 5:18pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:20pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Salah can afford to off his shirt to celebrate. His heatmap used to be in Ashley Young's pocket
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 5:49pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro:Even Rashford. Can never imagine players like Rooney or Carrick escorting Salah like that. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 5:51pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
elampiro:Rooney was an AMF. When he was younger, he operated as a SS. He only dropped back to AM when he got slower and ineffective as a No. 9... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 5:54pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Lana1:I remember when Rooney was in a similar situation against Messi some years back, baba bullied Messi with his strength and even if it failed him, Rooney will rather cut your legs than allow you a free run at goal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 6:02pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
According to Fabrizio, Inter are in advanced talk with Chong agent to get him on a free in the summer. Can someone help us beg Inter to come for Ed and Ole pls? We will give them Lingard, Jones and Rojo as bonus. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:10pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
Lana1: Carrick didn't have the legs to chase. He for no cope with Salah pace. |
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