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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:31am On Jan 25, 2020 |
eph12: What do you think about the stat you posted? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:34am On Jan 25, 2020 |
patrickmuf: So Dijk can pass better than Pogba? How many tines last season and even in august this season that Pogba will make a long pass and Rashford first touch will take it sideways? So many through balls by James. Passing also depends on who is capable of making use of it in a difficult situation |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:36am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Stop comparing world class Mane and Salah to upcoming Rashford and Martial. Those guys in Liverpool are Ballon D'or products. Mane might miss big chances but go and check, he must have dribbled defenders to such position in most of the times, not necessarily due to pass. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:40am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Neymar and Messi at one point were missing the highest number of big chances in Laliga. But one thing, they were the ones dribbling their ways into such positions to begin with. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:44am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:I am comparing Van Dijk passing ability with our CBs and not midfielders. Thought balls by which James? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44am On Jan 25, 2020 |
In Man United, the players who have created the most chances this season are Attacking Midfielders followed by Central Midfielders with Rashford and Young. It is not like the attackers are even creating the most. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:45am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Not true, in their match against Everton, he missed 3 big chances courtesy of through balls from Henderson. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:58am On Jan 25, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Player.............Minutes played .....Assists Maguire..............15058................9 Dijk......................17098................4 Maguire has only Assisted 1 since coming to United. He Assisted 7 in Leicester and Hull. 1 for England in the world cup. Dijk only started Assisting or has Assisted when he played in Liverpool for Ballon D'or candidates like Mane and Salah. Previous club nil. Netherlands nil. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:02am On Jan 25, 2020 |
patrickmuf: How do you know those were big chances? Do you know how a big chance is recorded? Henderson has created 7 big chances this season. You mean 3 came in one match against Everton? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BikeMan: 9:20am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Elampiro and Shalaye 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:27am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Elampiro, I watch most of Liverpool and City games, I see how much chances their strikers miss yet they end up scoring 2 - 3 goals. I don't need your stat sites to tell me what I see regularly. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:42am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Other strikers in the league have more big miss, can afford to because their team will dominate and create more chances 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:43am On Jan 25, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Then you no sabi watch ball 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:44am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:One thing about barca is that the team wins the ball back very quickly. Most times they win it in the opposition half. Of course you expect such team to create more chances, and lose more chances. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:48am On Jan 25, 2020 |
eph12: What if those players are responsible for the big chances in the first place due to their dribbling? A team with Messi or Maradona or Pele or Ronaldinho will create more chances due to their threat and dribbling in the attacking area. See those teams that parked bus against us, it is Martial, James, Rashfird and Pereira duty to break them down with dribbling, close control etc. Park bus against Mane, Salah, Gabriel, Silva they will find a way. Even Nani those days. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 10:22am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Elampiro is just busy yarning dust. It’s easy to see that he doesn’t watch Liverpool games. Imagine talking about Salah dribbling to create his chances or even Mané that has missed 15 big chances was dribbling to create chances. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 10:31am On Jan 25, 2020 |
larride:Salah that ordinary Young used to lock down |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by izzou(m): 10:49am On Jan 25, 2020 |
Somebody showed you the stats of BIG CHANCES MISSED this season Because you know this stat won't favor your argument, you decided to ask for THE PERCENTAGE OF BIG CHANCES MISSED Have a great weekend, Elamps baba 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingTom(m): 11:33am On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Meaning wetin nitori olohun |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:18pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
eph12: The fear that Messi, Suarez and co will wreck havoc on the opposition defence makes the other team and midfield to seat back in their half when they are playing Barca. Same with with Liverpool. But United, even relegation teams know that our attack is easily tamed. So they can venture |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:32pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
larride: Salah and Mane have been closed to winning the Ballon D'or but where is any of our attackers? Salah and Mane >>>> Rasfford and Martial. What I see these guys do, Mane, Salah, Sterling, is their ability to make the opposition defence get confused when they approach them zigzagly on the run. They know what to do where it matters most. Rashford is a very good dribbler on the run, but once in the tight box area he gets confused. Martial is weak far from the goal but a better dribbler near the opposition box with his close control. But none has what it takes to cause the big confusion with swift movement and close control in opposition box area Missing big chances is not such an important stats compared to creating big chance. A player can miss a big chance he created for himself. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:35pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
obainojazz: Phil Jones once locked down Robben and Ribery at Old Trafford. He also did a decent job against Madrid inthe UCL in Spain. It didnt take a way the world class from the those players. So if you are asked to choose, you will pick Martial and Rashford over Salah and Mane? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:41pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:And what is the duty of the other players against park the bus teams elampawa ? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:43pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Supporting cast and style of play does not matter? Don't let Messi and barca bots swear for you o |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:46pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
izzou: I never argued that Mane is a better scorer than Rashford. But Mane is a better forward. He and Salah had a better ball control skill, quality first touch and positional sense. So they will ordinary invite passes more than our forwards. Big chances missed doesn't reflect the quality of forward. Van Persie missed the highest number of big chances (23) in the EPL in 2012/2013 when we won the league. He won the golden boot that year. He was the best striker in the league but missed the highest number of big chances. In contrast, Rooney only missed 8 Chicharito 10 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 12:47pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Salah is not that good at dribbling... Rashford might even grow to be better than him. Liverpool style suits Salah, he won't do Jack in Barcelona or most teams.. Liverpool defenders and midfielders always makes sure the ball gets to the box or close to the box as quickly as possible... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:48pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
eph12: Even the goalkeeper has a duty in a build up play, but it is the primary duty of the forward players to break down defence. Mind you, elampawa is nit my moniker. You may be inviting a fight if you choose to go that angle. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 12:49pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:Ferdinand was saying how fergie scolded them that they should ensure the ball gets to Van Persie always... No matter where they are, they always looking for Van Persie... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:56pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
obainojazz: Every coach does that. Depending on how a player is more likely to score. It is a common tactics sense. Which coach tells a player to give ball to a player that is unlikely score? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 1:05pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:So You can see why Van Persie has the highest chances missed |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 1:06pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
elampiro:1. Nobody here has ever claimed that Rashford, Martial and James or Greenwood are at par with mane, salah and firmino. Not to talk of being better. 2. You're underestimating the importance of the extra bodies in attack especially against teams that sit back. 3. When a player is looking to cross, its ideal to have 1 or 2 more players in the box aside the striker. That's where the midfielders or defenders come in, depending on the moment 4. That's rarely the case when we play. In the past we had Ronaldo, Rooney, Teves, Saha, Chicha arriving at the box. At a time, Fletcher was doing that and delivering the goals. 5. In case you've forgotten, this is a gentle reminder. It's always important to have extra bodies in attack especially against teams sitting back. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:08pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
There are some areas I have agreed or partially agreed with you. I am not just arguing to win argument. I have said our set pieces look weak to me. So may be we can give Kudos to Arnold. Nevertheless, we were scoring set plays last season when we had Fellaini, Lukaku and Smalling. Which makes one to ask, what has happened? We still have Mata who can cross well |
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