ChinenyeN:


Dedetwo, a marna a kaa ngburu okhii. Your years on this earth should have endowed you with wisdom to understand why someone would say that [b]Igbo is limited to SE, in response to the question [/b]that was asked. I should not have to explain it to you.

As for the bolded, As if the British did not ha... You know what, nevermind. I'll just shake my head and leave alone. Ehi odo.

Chinenyenwa, you have acquired good number of days on earth to understand there are trolls with silly questions on the Internet and such foolish questions need tactful approach. I do know you have the acumen to handle such trolls with cleverer responses than you have shown. Igbo or Igbo land is definitely not limited to SE, thus whatever is SE. British divided certain geographical areas for the purpose of economic convenience and interest not to recreate ethnicity. The realms of ethnic boundaries in Nigeria did not mean anything to the colonial masters. However Nigeria/Biafra war appears to have caused havoc on the psychic of Nigerian populace where certain goons are willing to deny themselves.

The Ministerial Project Development and Steering Committee (MPDSC), has commended the Akwa Ibom State Government for compliance with all the requirements needed for the establishment of the Ibom Deep Seaport.

Sure?

Interesting.

Interesting.

Sure?

Dedetwo:
Chinenyenwa, you have acquired good number of days on earth to understand there are trolls with silly questions on the Internet and such foolish questions need tactful approach. I do know you have the acumen to handle such trolls with cleverer responses than you have shown. Igbo or Igbo land is definitely not limited to SE, thus whatever is SE. British divided certain geographical areas for the purpose of economic convenience and interest not to recreate ethnicity. The realms of ethnic boundaries in Nigeria did not mean anything to the colonial masters. However Nigeria/Biafra war appears to have caused havoc on the psychic of Nigerian populace where certain goons are willing to deny themselves.

Dedetwo, i gumafu whne kaa m gbara ra? My response was to NaijirianKing who asked a very legitimate question. The question required a pragmatic answer. Should I not have responded again? Is NaijirianKing a troll or is he a proud and maybe fanatical "Igboist"? A marna a kaa ngburu okhii. Do you see how you were so quick to jump and respond to me?

"What is this arrant nonsense?" - Dedetwo

Your knee-jerking was in overdrive to the point that you did not even bother to read the context of my response. You did not even bother to see that I was responding to a legitimate question by one of your fellow staunch Igboists. Is this sort of thing the legacy that you all want to continue giving the rest of the world?

As for the bolded, nkara m ehi odo. So ehi odo, we will discuss that.

It's almost vexing that I have to provide this much explanation for such a simple statement. Anyhow, for the sake of responding to NaijrianKing's legitimate question as pasted below:

NaijirianKing:
We first have to answer the questions:

1. Who is Igbo (this is one of the most politicized issues we as Igbo have) we need to answer this, then close the door forever to those who say they are not with us.

Igbo is very much limited to SE states. It is not that complicated, if you actually care about making progress with the least amount of friction possible.

NaijirianKing:
The Ministerial Project Development and Steering Committee (MPDSC), has commended the Akwa Ibom State Government for compliance with all the requirements needed for the establishment of the Ibom Deep Seaport.

WEN I HEAR YORUBAS CLAIMING THAT THEIR PORT IS THE MOST PROFITABLE IN NIGERIA.


I START WONDERING IFTHEY HAVE A MENTAL PROBLEM OF SOME SOUGHT.


HOW CAN THIS PEOPLE CLAIM MOST PROFITABLE PORT AND TOTALLY DISREGARD THE FACT THE EASTERN COAST AND PORTS WERE SACRIFICED BECOS ALL THEIR GOODS GO TO LAGOS AND THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR 8 HOURS TO REACH THE EAST BY ROAD, AND THE ENTIRE SS REGION IS COASTAL.



WAT THE BRITISH MANAGE TO ACHIEVE WITH NIGERIA IS WEALTH TRANSFER FROM THE EAST TO WEST AND NORTH AND NOW ALL THAT IS ABOUT TO UNRAVEL.



THE MOST PROFITABLE PORT IN NIGERIA IS CALABAR.



Y? BECOS IT PROVIDES LAND LOCKED COUNTRIES LIKE SOUTH SUDAN, CENTRAL AFRICA REPUBLIC AND EVEN CONGO AND ETHIOPIA ACCESS TO THE SEA, AS WELL AS CHAD, NIGER AND SE, NORTH CENTRAL AND NORTHERN NIGERIA ACCESS TO THE SEA.

Interesting.

ChinenyeN

A decade has come and gone with you arguing with an Ngwa like myself and you haven’t learned anything? You have not researched to expand your knowledge, even if to find support for your pan-Igbo, nationalistic Igbo agenda? Ọ dị ogoozu.

Ngwaland is not contiguous with Ijawland. So what Ngwa-Ijaw relationship do you speak of? You talking of mobile Ijaw fishermen and their market fronts in Ngwaland? That's not peculiar to Ngwa. They have it all over the place. There is a place called Kalabari beach in Oguta area.
Unless you are now claiming that Ndoki is Ngwa, like many Ngwas like to do, which we know don't sit well with Nde Ndoki.

This is why you will always remain paranoid. You base your idea of Igbo on something that isn't even agreeable by the "Igbo" themselves. You now have to work around the clock to build your defenses because your ideology cannot even stand on its own two feet. You spend your time treating it like some precious glass commodity.

At least I can say one thing now. I used to believe that you were blinded by your pan-Igbo, nationalistic ideology. But now, I see that even you are truly aware that your ideology does not hold up even under moderate scrutiny. I can acknowledge now that all of your behaviors and tendencies make sense. You are aware that your "Igbo Unity" is indeed fragile.

Every human unity is fragile and must be treated as such always. Even the simplest of them which marriage represents is no different. There must be conscious effort to preserve the unity, if not, it will all fall apart.
Even in clan basis. There must be conscious and constant effort to discuss points of disagreements, manage anger and revenge, as well as peaceful resolution of conflicts amongst members.
In my village, we do lots of meeting during Christmas period, starting from extended family level to village meetings and then town hall meeting. It's been that way since establishment of the town. It's applicable in all Igbo towns. Our ancestors knew that unity is never stumbled upon, neither can it survive without conscious unianimous effort by members to preserve it.

So yes, Igbo Unity is no different. It must be treated like a glass, pampered, defended from enemies within and outside, nurtured and given wings to take us to the moon and beyond !

Actually, ChinenyeN suggestion of Igboland being limited to SE might be too bitter a pill to swallow, but it's a logical conclusion, and might actually heal us all, if we can swallow it.

ChinenyeN:


This is a lie, but whatever. I'll let it go.



Honestly, you're going to have to let them go. It now becomes their job to sort themselves and their people out. My honest opinion, don't wast time fighting their fight for them, because it wouldn't help your cause. If it isn't obvious by now, I will spell it out to you. Their people need to come to such a decision on their own. Any input from people like you definitely does not help matters. So focus on SE and keep it moving. Be open-armed with others from other regions who and to participate, but otherwise, keep..it..moving.

I can correlate with the bolded. But please don't doubt it, when I said I care less about the Igbophobic denials down there. I've learnt to live with it and mind my business.

NaijirianKing:
At this point, that is the most politically expedient thing for Ndi Igbo to do. The group within the SE are by default Igbo, and other groups residing outside the SE will be assessed on a case by case basis using predefined criteria to see if the individual or group will be allowed to wear the title of being Igbo. Those groups outside the SE who have been unapologetically Igbo will be at the front of the queue.

For example, anyone found to have denied their Igboness at anytime, place, or in any form of print media or videos, shall permanently be disallowed from ever calling themselves Igbo.

Eh... You've lost me at the bolded, but then again, I guess it is to be expected when we factor in your desire to enforce your code.

That said, the rest of your comment is at least 80% sensible. I only deduct 10%, because I believe it is reasonable to imagine that your set of predefined criteria will be both aggressive and arbitrary.

Aside from that, this (in opinion) is the best way to begin forward movement while facing the least amount of friction.

pazienza:
Ngwaland is not contiguous with Ijawland. So what Ngwa-Ijaw relationship do you speak of? You talking of mobile Ijaw fishermen and their market fronts in Ngwaland? That's not peculiar to Ngwa. They have it all over the place. There is a place called Kalabari beach in Oguta area.
Unless you are now claiming that Ndoki is Ngwa, like many Ngwas like to do, which we know don't sit well with Nde Ndoki.

Uvuvu l'ezi yeee. I could sit here and waste my time telling you a narrative that would just fall on your dense ears. Instead, I'll just say forget that Ngwa people ever said anything. Forget it for one second and inquire about what Bonny itself said to Europeans about its own past. Inquire about what the Ijaw themselves said about their sojourn in the area before moving further down to Bonny. I know you love being dense with all your heart. That's fine, but at least do your research.

pazienza:
Every human unity is fragile and must be treated as such always. Even the simplest of them which marriage represents is no different. There must be conscious effort to preserve the unity, if not, it will all fall apart.
Even in clan basis. There must be conscious and constant effort to discuss points of disagreements, manage anger and revenge, as well as peaceful resolution of conflicts amongst members.
In my village, we do lots of meeting during Christmas period, starting from extended family level to village meetings and then town hall meeting. It's been that way since establishment of the town. It's applicable in all Igbo towns. Our ancestors knew that unity is never stumbled upon, neither can it survive without conscious unianimous effort by members to preserve it.

So yes, Igbo Unity is no different. It must be treated like a glass, pampered, defended from enemies within and outside, nurtured and given wings to take us to the moon and beyond !

There is a difference between engaging in fellowship because you share a sense of identity, no matter how local, and engaging in an everlasting game of self-defense, because you want to force shared identity on others. Your "Igbo Unity" is the later, if you don't know. I'm just informing you. But carry go. Maybe after another ten more years, your efforts may bear some fruit.

UdechiHD:
I can correlate with the bolded. But please don't doubt it, when I said I care less about the Igbophobic denials down there. I've learnt to live with it and mind my business.

Alright. I will make an effort to take you at your word. Perhaps what you speak is true for you and so I'll respect that as far as you specifically are concerned.

pazienza:
Actually, ChinenyeN suggestion of Igboland being limited to SE might be too bitter a pill to swallow, but it's a logical conclusion, and might actually heal us all, if we can swallow it.

IGBOLAND IS NOT SHRINKING BUT EXPANDING.

WAT EVER REASON U ARE RUNNING FROM IGBO IN SS, TODAY OMAMBALA AND CHINENYE HAVE SHOWN EXIST ALSO IN SE.


WE WILL NOT ALLOW IGBOLAND TO SHRINK, THIS WAS THE DESIRE OF GOWON AND CO AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, WEN THEY DELIBERATELY REMOVED SECTIONS OF IGBOLAND AND ADDED TO SURROUNDING STATES AND FORCED OUR PEOPLE TO DENY THEIR IGBO IDENTITY OR BE KILLED.


THEY WANTED IGBOLAND TO SHRINK.


Y DID THE PEOPLE DENYING IGBO TODAY NOT DO SO BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR.


I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT MAJOR CHUKWUMA KADUNA NZEOGWU WOULD BE SURPRISE TO FIND THAT HIS PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER IGBO.

PEOPLE WANT U TO SHRINK AND U ARE HELPING DEM TO SHRINK YOURSELF, WHERE IS THE WISDOM IN DAT.


DO U THINK, SE WILL NOT SHRINK FURTHER AFTER THE FIRST WAVE OF SHRINKING U ASSISTED?


WEN U GET SMALLER IN SIZE, IT MEANS OTHERS ARE EXPANDING, SOON U WILL BE FACE WITH FURTHER DIVISION LED BY OMAMBALA AND CHINENYE, OBI OF ONITSHA, WE HAVE IN SE. THAT WILL BE PUSHING THE AGENDA OF IGALA ANAKMBRA OR IJAW/IBIBIO ABIA, BINI.ETC


A SACRED APPROACH WILL ONLY TURN A MOLE HILL INTO A MOUNTAIN. U ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, FACEED WITH THE SAME PROBLEM U ARE RUNNING FROM.


EMBRACE IT, U SAID IT YOURSELF, WE CAME IN BATCHES, AND NOT TOGETHER.


WE ARE HOPING MORE WILL COME TO JOIN, THE IGBO BROTHERHOOD IN MUCH LATER BATCHES.


WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE WITH IDENTITY CRISIS FROM BORDER COMMUNITIES IN OUR MIDST AND IT IS FOR US TO MANAGE DEM AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THE IGBO UMBRELLA AND SHELTER.


LET US JOIN TOGETHER AND MAKE IGBO GREAT AGAIN.

ChinenyeN:


Dedetwo, i gumafu whne kaa m gbara ra? My response was to NaijirianKing who asked a very legitimate question. The question required a pragmatic answer. Should I not have responded again? Is NaijirianKing a troll or is he a proud and maybe fanatical "Igboist"? A marna a kaa ngburu okhii. Do you see how you were so quick to jump and respond to me?

"What is this arrant nonsense?" - Dedetwo

Your knee-jerking was in overdrive to the point that you did not even bother to read the context of my response. You did not even bother to see that I was responding to a legitimate question by one of your fellow staunch Igboists. Is this sort of thing the legacy that you all want to continue giving the rest of the world?

As for the bolded, nkara m ehi odo. So ehi odo, we will discuss that.

It's almost vexing that I have to provide this much explanation for such a simple statement. Anyhow, for the sake of responding to NaijrianKing's legitimate question as pasted below:



Igbo is very much limited to SE states. It is not that complicated, if you actually care about making progress with the least amount of friction possible.

Oga speak for others will read if not stop it. You aren't in your village meeting.

What sort of nonsense dialect is that.

pazienza:
Actually, ChinenyeN suggestion of Igboland being limited to SE might be too bitter a pill to swallow, but it's a logical conclusion, and might actually heal us all, if we can swallow it.

If you like don't swallow it. Others had already done that...and left you guys behind.

waga g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRiJc44yGU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTqCmw07nc

ChinenyeN

Uvuvu l'ezi yeee. I could sit here and waste my time telling you a narrative that would just fall on your dense ears. Instead, I'll just say forget that Ngwa people ever said anything. Forget it for one second and inquire about what Bonny itself said to Europeans about its own past. Inquire about what the Ijaw themselves said about their sojourn in the area before moving further down to Bonny. I know you love being dense with all your heart. That's fine, but at least do your research.

Stop beating around the bush. The relationship Bonny and Opobo has with Ndiigbo is with Ndoki. The only way Ngwa will share a tangible relationship with Ijaw is if it is assumed that Ndoki is Ngwa or an offshoot of Ngwa, which many Ndoki people disagree with.

There is a difference between engaging in fellowship because you share a sense of identity, no matter how local, and engaging in an everlasting game of self-defense, because you want to force shared identity on others. Your "Igbo Unity" is the later, if you don't know. I'm just informing you. But carry go. Maybe after another ten more years, your efforts may bear some fruit

Are you saying Igbo groups don't have shared sense of identity? Like we never knew we were all related despite being able to understand our nearest Igbo clan language, sharing same market days with them, having similar customs?
You need help, I'm sorry I'm not the one to help you.
Igbo identity has always been a subconscious thing. We never acted on it before colonialism, but we knew we were interlinked, our ancestors couldn't be that dumb not to know.

hammerU:



IGBOLAND IS NOT SHRINKING BUT EXPANDING.

WAT EVER REASON U ARE RUNNING FROM IGBO IN SS, TODAY OMAMBALA AND CHINENYE HAVE SHOWN EXIST ALSO IN SE.


WE WILL NOT ALLOW IGBOLAND TO SHRINK, THIS WAS THE DESIRE OF GOWON AND CO AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, WEN THEY DELIBERATELY REMOVED SECTIONS OF IGBOLAND AND ADDED TO SURROUNDING STATES AND FORCED OUR PEOPLE TO DENY THEIR IGBO IDENTITY OR BE KILLED.


THEY WANTED IGBOLAND TO SHRINK.


Y DID THE PEOPLE DENYING IGBO TODAY NOT DO SO BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR.


I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT MAJOR CHUKWUMA KADUNA NZEOGWU WOULD BE SURPRISE TO FIND THAT HIS PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER IGBO.

You actually have a point.
If we concede areas of Igboland outside South East to our detractors and their fifth columnists within us, who is to say they will stop there and not seek to shrink SE furthermore?

I think it might be better to have the SS Igbo areas as a buffer zone.

A wise man once told me:

"Oburu na ana azo oke, zoru nke gi, zorukwa nke ndi ozo tinye na nke gi. Ka oga abu mgbe ekpeweru Ikpe udo, I nweru nke ndi ozo I zotaa, nwe mee udo, ma ofu nke gi ama efunaru gi".

Interesting.

Interesting.

Sure?

Ongoing construction of AMC AWKA

Sure?

Sure?

Sure?

NaijirianKing:
Due to the declining birthrates among White Americans, increased births among Black and Hispanic Americans, The United States of America has taken steps to ensure that their White majority stays intact by banning certain countries with already high immigrant populations from coming to America.

President Trump adds Africa’s biggest country, Nigeria, as well as Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan and Tanzania, to his restricted travel list.

Beside Nigeria, varying degrees of restrictions will hit three other African countries, Eritrea, Sudan and Tanzania, and one former Soviet state, Kyrgyzstan. Myanmar’s Muslim Rohingya could also be caught in the crossfire. The total number of countries on the restricted travel list now stands at 13.

THEY WILL MAKE SURE BLACKS DONT GROW RIGHT?

Sure?