I have been studying the Quran recently because I want to understand if:
The extremist find their convictions from Islam.
Or they are on their own.

So I stumbled on this text.
Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

I really need it to be interpreted where I am there are no Muslim scholars around.
Thank you.

Blackpearlous:
I have been studying the Quran recently because I want to understand if:
The extremist find their convictions from Islam.
Or they are on their own.

So I stumbled on this text.
Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

I really need it to be interpreted where I am there are no Muslim scholars around.
Thank you.

They believe that they are d only religious ppl on earth and all d remaining religion are infidel as they say and dy believe in holy war of jihad. That is why they kill Christians.

Koredav:

They believe that they are d only religious ppl on earth and all d remaining religion are infidel as they say and dy believe in holy war of jihad. That is why they kill Christians.

does their religion generally support this believe system

Blackpearlous:
does their religion generally support this believe system

Sure it gives it full support cos I'm in d north born and brought up in d north

What exactly don't you understand
In some countries like China,not paying your tax lands you a death penalty.
The little tax kaffir citizens are supposed to pay in an Islamic state is called jizyah
QED

You can't understand the Qur'an by reading like any other ordinary book. You need guidance from holy spirit for express understanding. Thanks.

Sheunma:
You can't understand the Qur'an by reading like any other ordinary book. You need guidance from holy spirit for express understanding. Thanks.

there is holy spirit in Islam?

Blackpearlous:
there is holy spirit in Islam?

Yes there is!

Sheunma:
You can't understand the Qur'an by reading like any other ordinary book. You need guidance from holy spirit for express understanding. Thanks.

You are right but can you start first by simply explaining what she quoted up there?

shadeyinka:

Yes there is!

most of the Muslims dont know there is by spirit until I confronted a Muslim scholar and he told me it doesn't exist and I showed him in an English Quran

fineyemi2:
most of the Muslims dont know there is by spirit until I confronted a Muslim scholar and he told me it doesn't exist and I showed him in an English Quran

Unfortunately, in the Qur'an, the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel!

Angel Gabriel is the Holy spirit.. Ok

Blackpearlous:
I have been studying the Quran recently because I want to understand if:
The extremist find their convictions from Islam.
Or they are on their own.

So I stumbled on this text.
Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

I really need it to be interpreted where I am there are no Muslim scholars around.
Thank you.

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But really is it not a message of war

DominusPrime:

You are right but can you start first by simply explaining what she quoted up there?

Blackpearlous:
there is holy spirit in Islam?

There is no such thing as needing some holy Spirit to interpret Islamic scriptures.He is saying nonsense.

tartar9:
What exactly don't you understand
[s]In some countries like China,not paying your tax lands you a death penalty.[/s]
The little tax kaffir citizens are supposed to pay in an Islamic state is called jizyah
QED

Don’t say what you don’t know you merchant of falsehood!

mujahid777:


There is no such thing as needing some holy Spirit to interpret Islamic scriptures.He is saying nonsense.

A different view. Ok then pls explain the scripture she quoted.

Blackpearlous:
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But really is it not a message of war

I don't know why no one has answered the question. Seems everyone is avoiding it.

Blackpearlous:
I have been studying the Quran recently because I want to understand if:
The extremist find their convictions from Islam.
Or they are on their own.

So I stumbled on this text.
Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

I really need it to be interpreted where I am there are no Muslim scholars around.
Thank you.

Verse 9:29 of Surah at-tauba is probably the intentionally most misinterpreted verse of the Quran. This is what it says: –

“Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” S. 9:29 Y. Ali

Dear brother mansour, I totally understand you when you say that this verse promotes violence on a cursory glance. But if you read it carefully you’ll find that it doesn’t. I hope you will be patient enough to be with me throughout the end of this article.

The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth”.
My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.

1. PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS.

This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya is applicable only in an Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased, unknowledgable and unfair the media is and it hurts us deeply.

Biodun556:






1. PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS.

This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya is applicable only in an Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased, unknowledgable and unfair the media is and it hurts us deeply.

Thank you I read it to the end.

Just to be sure u get you it is just for Islamic states and it ndans those that don't pay tax are in trouble?

Is it still applicable now?

Does it hold in Iran or other Islamic country?

Thank you for the previous explanation.

Blackpearlous:

Thank you I read it to the end.

Just to be sure u get you it is just for Islamic states and it ndans those that don't pay tax are in trouble?

Is it still applicable now?

Does it hold in Iran or other Islamic country?

Thank you for the previous explanation.

We no longer have pure Islamic state in this 21st century all we have are Muslim countries. So jizya is no longer practice in Muslim countries.

Biodun556:




We no longer have pure Islamic state in this 21st century all we have are Muslim countries. So jizya is no longer practice in Muslim countries.

Thank you

DominusPrime:

I don't know why no one has answered the question. Seems everyone is avoiding it.

Yea I noticed too, someone has replied.

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, in the Qur'an, the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel!

the holy spirit is not angel Gabriel. Gabriel is an angel

fineyemi2:
the holy spirit is not angel Gabriel. Gabriel is an angel

Of course!
But Islamic interpretations differ

Ruh al-qudus (Arabic: روح القدس‎, "the holy spirit" or "spirit of holiness", al-ruh al-amin (Arabic: الروح الأمين‎, "the faithful/trustworthy spirit", and ruh (spirit) are Quranic expressions that describe a source or means of prophetic revelations, commonly identified with the angel Gabriel. [6][7][8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C5%AB%E1%B8%A5

Blackpearlous:
I have been studying the Quran recently because I want to understand if:
The extremist find their convictions from Islam.
Or they are on their own.

So I stumbled on this text.
Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

I really need it to be interpreted where I am there are no Muslim scholars around.
Thank you.

If you were really reading the chapter you wouldn't have asked that question. But still, can you read the verses that come before that verse?

Sheunma:
You can't understand the Qur'an by reading like any other ordinary book. You need guidance from holy spirit for express understanding. Thanks.

This is absolute rubbish, op please don't listen
@blackpearlous