Lostz:
Satan was still in heaven with God . it was after Jesus resurrection to heaven that Satan was chase down

all things on earth are God's creation. even though some choose to be evil, he can still use them for his purpose

The two paragraphs contradict each other...

DropsMic:
We will never know

Because we are too coward to ask?
We can ask in prayer, anything we ask God in prayer he will give to us

When we knock he will open, when we ask he will give

When you create a drug you may want to test it. You need a Guinea pig

uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school.

Arrant nonsense!! How do you people go from the unknown to the known?

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

Yes indeed true and difficult to comprehend.

God created everything,I meant everything including the devil that anchored the evil.The book of Isaiah, he said he is the God of Good and bad.The Satan representing the evil was created by God and Bible said he was a friend to God until they created human being..God is evil,God is good.. Simple!

we need fresh posts on the front page you lazy mods


today is Sunday and I guess the mod that pushed this to front page needs deliverance.


choosing a prayer point for you in a moment.

oluwaseyi000:


We can ask in prayer, anything we ask God in prayer he will give to us

Ask for the killings to stop

God did not and does not send evil spirit to torment anyone.

It is just the popular belief and opinion of the people who lived during those times due to their spiritual immaturity.

Today, we understand that rainfall happens due to evaporation and condensation.

Many many years ago, people thought that it was God that caused the rains.

Today, we know better.

Same thing.

Spirit has many usage. So the one used in that verse is not holy spirit that we all talk about.

Impelling Mental Inclination.
Ruʹach and pneuʹma are both used to designate the force that causes a person to display a certain attitude, disposition, or emotion or to take a certain action or course.

While that force within the person is itself invisible, it produces visible effects. This use of the Hebrew and Greek terms rendered “spirit” and basically related to breath or to air in motion is paralleled to a considerable degree by English expressions.

Thus, we speak of a person as ‘putting on airs,’ or of manifesting an ‘air of calmness’ or of ‘having a bad spirit.’

We speak of ‘breaking a person’s spirit,’ in the sense of discouraging and disheartening him.

So Saul has gone against God. That is the reason God was making him feel bad, that is, Saul's conscience might be making him restless.

Other translations didn't use Evil spirit. Many used bad spirit.

If a parent is loving to his child and when the parent want to discipline the child for doing what is bad, will you call the parent evil?

God is Holy and nothing evil can be found in him.

Thanks

God created everything and does as he pleases He is not a respecter of man and He even says His thought for us is not evil but good.

HacheNoire:



All your beliefs are fictions.

Jesus discussing with devil?

Cartoons!

very fictitious devil only goes wen der is meeting and God asks him his agenda remember devil can't do anything if God don't permit dats y wen he wanted Job to abuse God he was given dey go ahead but with a warning do not kill him

Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

You're the fool here.

Very blurring understanding! Using before Christ's birth stories to overshadow after His birth's conclusion is a carnal analysis. Logic reasoning and letter reading is carnality, it kills.

What about the Holyghost, and power, and authority he gave us? What purpose does they serve?

[quote author=uzohrome post=86306518]Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine

BearHugss:
You're the fool here.

Absolutely. He kept using the word "fool" as if his life depends on that word. Shame on him.

Sense Knowledge has finished people.

Everything ( Everything You have or have not conceived) comes from God. It is the reason He said in

Deuteronomy 30: 19. This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

There's not place in the Bible, God violated any humans freewill. He only worked in the circumstances, conditions,events and situations surrounding them. People think freewill is based on actions.

It's no wonder what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5 fulfilment of the Law

Matthew 5: 28. But I tell you that anyone *who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.*

Free Will starts from Your heart.

Anyways, May God continue to watch over us all.

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

He commands all...even the evil spirit. Jesus dialogue with demons pleading to be sent into swine.

Mk 5:11-14

Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.

He his a mysterious God, only him knows his ways and show little to man according to our relationship with him.....no man can question him for his deed

Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

Why must you call her a fool? Someone reads a passage of the Bible and doesn't understand. She comes online to seek answers and you respond by calling her a fool?

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FrLukas:
God did not and does not send evil spirit to torment anyone.

It is just the popular belief and opinion of the people who lived during those times due to their spiritual immaturity.

Today, we understand that rainfall happens due to evaporation and condensation.

Many many years ago, people thought that it was God that caused the rains.

Today, we know better.

Same thing.

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Almighty God is never in possession of evil; but the fallen angels and their warriors. Yahweh is what the original Hebrew translation of the Bible translation refers to as God and so wrongly as Yahweh is only a god(lk Ogun, here) of Israel - not Almighty God(Olodumare). Xtians have been so misled. And Saul's ways was equally inviting of evil spirit... Nb.

So, why did God send the devil into the world in the first place when he knew that man was going to fall.. Why did he say woe to the inhabitants of the world when we didn't do anything? I really want to know

Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

Exactly... I ask myself this everyday

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

That's the common
Wrong notion and misconceptions about God.
GOD IS NOT JUST HOLY!
GOD IS EVERYTHING!
GOOD AND BAD.

GOD IS THE ONLY EQUILIBRIUM OF LIFE.

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers: For there is no powers but of God, the powers that be, are ordained of God. -Romans 13:1

Blakjewelry:

Yes study ancient script you find out that a God's power increase or decrease with the amount energy he gets from worship, sacrifice, fear etc.

Abeg you in the name of God, don't say what you are not sure of, else you
attract the wrath of God. You don't even know what might be added or subtracted from your life Deut 4:2, Rev 22:18
what you are claiming here is not true, is either you don't understand what you read or is base on some forms of
fake occult nonsensical beliefs or teachings which should not be considered at all.

First and foremost, we must begin with the context. We have to look at Saul (first king of Israel) and his situation as well as Ahab (later king of Israel) and his brother-in-law Jehoshaphat (later king of Judah). Saul started off great but finished ignominiously in defeat and death. Saul had lived a life of chronic disobedience to God, and therefore had opened himself up to demonic oppression.”

In the latter case, King Ahab of Israel (the northern kingdom after the split) wanted his brother-in-law King Jehoshaphat of Judah (the southern kingdom) to join him in a war against an enemy; however, Jehoshaphat wanted to know that God blessed this campaign. Ahab called on his 600 pagan prophets who assured him of victory, while the one godly prophet Micaiah answered the king with “two parabolic visions.” The latter vision deals with the lying spirit speaking through false prophets that Ahab wanted to believe. Since Micaiah refused to cooperate with Ahab he was imprisoned while Ahab went off to defeat and death.

When Saul shut God out of his life through his own prideful and willful disobedience, we can well understand why the Spirit of God had no place in Saul’s heart, soul, mind, and body. However, it is not so easy to understand an evil spirit not only entering him but coming from God.Bible’s teachings about God. Scripture affirms that God is completely righteous, hates evil, and never does anything unjust.”

The writer also reminds us that we must factor in that God allows certain things to happen that are warnings and lessons. Also, the evil spirit was used by God as were pagan rulers as instruments of justice and judgment. Of course, there was the element of being instruments of redemption. We read “in light of Saul’s disregard for God’s moral order, it (the evil spirit) was also intended to drive him to repent and turn back to the Lord God, who is Master of all the created order, will use even demons, against their will, for redemptive purposes.” “God may and does occasionally impel sinners to reveal the wickedness of their hearts in deed” – as was most clearly seen in the case of Ahab who so wanted to believe lies so he could do as he pleased.
I Kings, describe how God knew that “false prophets, possessed by a lying spirit, would feed Ahab’s ego by assuring him of victory in the projected battle.” In conclusion Kaiser is most helpful when he writes: “God used the false declarations of the false prophets (with lying spirits) that Ahab was so enamored with as his instruments of judgment the same way he might use a heathen nation to chastise Israel (that is to say, his use of Assyria in punishing Israel, Is. 10:5; or his use of Babylon for similar reasons, Hab. 1:2-11).

We can affirm without hesitation or qualification that both the willful Saul and wicked Ahab had opened themselves up to evil spirits which God allowed in order to bring an end to their evil reigns either by repentance or judgment. In hindsight, this was their time of judgment – that only came after a time of grace and pleadings from godly prophets to repent of their sins and return to God.

Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”

Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Romans 9:20-22

MasterRahl:
Why must you call her a fool? Someone reads a passage of the Bible and doesn't understand. She comes online to seek answers and you respond by calling her a fool?

Thank you o. He even went as far as threatening to use holy spirit to torment me or so...when I was only playing with him. In my mind, I was just like..."is this how we are meant to practise Christianity?"

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

GO AND READ JAMES 1:13 AND COME BACK

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HitSong:

That's the common
Wrong notion and misconceptions about God.
GOD IS NOT HOLY!
GOD IS EVERYTHING!
GOOD AND BAD.

GOD IS THE ONLY EQUILIBRIUM OF LIFE.

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