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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 8:09pm On Feb 12, 2020
NiyiOmoIyunade:
The tubes might be a more efficient energy transfer mechanism than a DC element immersed in water.

I believe solar shop in Lagos VI have the kind of water heater you seek where PV panels provide power to a DC element which then transfers its heat into the water.

I use a 300L Ariston with the panels and tube attached to the tank.


What is the watt and voltage of your DC heating elements on the Aniston?

What capacity of panels power it and how is the performance?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 8:20pm On Feb 12, 2020
ojeysky:


Anyone using this kind of DC pumping machine? I like to specifically know if it's a worthwhile investment or whether going the normal AC pumping is better

450 watts 72 volts is the spec on that. That's gonna be a whole lot of panels. Although if the 60 meters lift spec is what it can give, then it may be worth it.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 8:48pm On Feb 12, 2020
ceaser:


450 watts 72 volts is the spec on that. That's gonna be a whole lot of panels. Although if the 60 meters lift spec is what it can give, then it may be worth it.

Thanks I didn't even pay close attention to the voltage..... that's at least 3x300w. I guess DC pump is not yet an option for borehole then
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by primefaith1: 8:55pm On Feb 12, 2020
eleojo23:

I learnt the brown carton type is made in Korea, right?
Please how would you rate the two in terms of performance?
Both are from China.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by remizvxcq(m): 9:36pm On Feb 12, 2020
ojeysky:
Looks like lithium market is going to be interesting this year, ofcourse with expectation for some disappointments as well.
Indeed 2020 will bring “interesting times” in the independent power economy of Nigeria. Note that the Chinese saying “may you live in interesting times”, is not meant as wish-you-well and easy fortune; it is a caution for preparedness and fortitude.

In the coming manna of LiFePO4, there will be hierarchy of quality and competency in the components, wiring, and software programming of the “energy storage systems” (ESS). LiFePO4 and other lithium based batteries are part of ESS, they are aspects of integrated systems; they are not stand-alone boxes that can just replace your existing lead-acid battery, kWh for kWh.

Beware the “affordable” lithium battery! These will likely flood Nigeria soon as they will be priced at or below ₦250,000 per 2.4kWh, attractive enough to compare with the ₦120,000 - ₦175,000 price points of the average-to-leading 12v 200ah lead-acid batteries. Many of these "drop-in, lead-acid-replacement" lithiums are sold in sealed enclosures cool, with battery management systems (BMS) that are either inadequate in their tolerance of variable current draw, high operating temperatures, frequent power surges and outages, or simply lack a means of communicating with external controls , or of reprogramming the BMS to suit the particular strengths or deficiencies of the intended battery charger lipsrsealed.

How do you plan on managing the tight-margins on charge/discharge voltages demanded by lithium-based batteries or ambient operating temperatures above 35ºC in high humidity / high dust conditions?! In fact, you will likely need to ditch all you used to hold important for handling lead-acid-batteries, and throw away your lead-acid battery charger that claims to have a “lithium algorithm”, if you are to minimise expe₦sive lessons.

On the other hand, the price of lead-acid batteries should lower to more realistic levels. For years, the lead-acid battery mafia has managed to hold prices artificially high. That old game plan may change because the majority of the incoming LiFePO4, which will likely use grade B cells, zero warranties, and compromised BMSes to achieve affordable prices, may yet still deliver superior performance per kWh to compare with the over-rated AGMs or the finicky Gels, or the space-hugging FLAs.

But, please, don’t believe in “LiFePO4 can deliver over 3000 daily cycles at 100% DOD”!

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 10:00pm On Feb 12, 2020
LifePO4 are still overrated, Expensive and complicated at the stage..

Until it becomes widely used that any inverter can charge it effectively like the Lead acid, till then

Just do proper sizing, Lead acid is more than sufficient at 30-50% DOD and complete charge.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by samnaija: 10:19pm On Feb 12, 2020
Dam5reey:
LifePO4 are still overrated, Expensive and complicated at the stage..

Until it becomes widely used that any inverter can charge it effectively like the Lead acid, till then

Just do proper sizing, Lead acid is more than sufficient at 30-50% DOD and complete charge.

Your summary is right on spot..
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 10:57pm On Feb 12, 2020
ojeysky:


Anyone using this kind of DC pumping machine? I like to specifically know if it's a worthwhile investment or whether going the normal AC pumping is better

am considering it as well, however, saw lower wattage on aliexpress, OP posted 450w, i saw 200w, 250w 12v/24v etc. only thing you should be aware of is the low water yield, 600 to 1000liters per hour

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 5:13am On Feb 13, 2020
earthrealm:


am considering it as well, however, saw lower wattage on aliexpress, OP posted 450w, i saw 200w, 250w 12v/24v etc. only thing you should be aware of is the low water yield, 600 to 1000liters per hour

That will be too much for me already, will be good to know which route you finally take so I can learn/ride on your experience. Kindly keep me/us posted Sir.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 7:02am On Feb 13, 2020
ojeysky:


Thanks I didn't even pay close attention to the voltage..... that's at least 3x300w. I guess DC pump is not yet an option for borehole then

I have seen some specs with less demanding requirements, like 12v/24v 300 watts, 50meters to 70meters lift. On AliExp though.

I'm hoping to order one of those soon as their outbreak dies down.

I believe the DC pump giving more output from less demanding power is feasible cos I've invested in pure DC sliding gate opener with impressive performance. The AC variant was just too cumbersome for someone solely on solar like me. DC 80 watts 800kg versus AC 180 watts 800kg is an worthwhile upgrade. In addition, I was saved the hassle of an in-line DC-AC inverter.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 7:23am On Feb 13, 2020
remizvxcq:

Indeed 2020 will bring “interesting times” in the independent power economy of Nigeria. Note that the Chinese saying “may you live in interesting times”, is not meant as wish-you-well and easy fortune; it is a caution for preparedness and fortitude.

In the coming manna of LiFePO4, there will be hierarchy of quality and competency in the components, wiring, and software programming of the “energy storage systems” (ESS). LiFePO4 and other lithium based batteries are part of ESS, they are aspects of integrated systems; they are not stand-alone boxes that can just replace your existing lead-acid battery, kWh for kWh.

Beware the “affordable” lithium battery! These will likely flood Nigeria soon as they will be priced at or below ₦250,000 per 2.4kWh, attractive enough to compare with the ₦120,000 - ₦175,000 price points of the average-to-leading 12v 200ah lead-acid batteries. Many of these "drop-in, lead-acid-replacement" lithiums are sold in sealed enclosures cool, with battery management systems (BMS) that are either inadequate in their tolerance of variable current draw, high operating temperatures, frequent power surges and outages, or simply lack a means of communicating with external controls , or of reprogramming the BMS to suit the particular strengths or deficiencies of the intended battery charger lipsrsealed.

How do you plan on managing the tight-margins on charge/discharge voltages demanded by lithium-based batteries or ambient operating temperatures above 35ºC in high humidity / high dust conditions?! In fact, you will likely need to ditch all you used to hold important for handling lead-acid-batteries, and throw away your lead-acid battery charger that claims to have a “lithium algorithm”, if you are to minimise expe₦sive lessons.

On the other hand, the price of lead-acid batteries should lower to more realistic levels. For years, the lead-acid battery mafia has managed to hold prices artificially high. That old game plan may change because the majority of the incoming LiFePO4, which will likely use grade B cells, zero warranties, and compromised BMSes to achieve affordable prices, may yet still deliver superior performance per kWh to compare with the over-rated AGMs or the finicky Gels, or the space-hugging FLAs.

But, please, don’t believe in “LiFePO4 can deliver over 3000 daily cycles at 100% DOD”!

There are a lot of truths in your write up.

But I dare say that getting 10 years from current affordable LPS systems has been established and I believe I will get that much from one of the systems i'm currently on. 10 years of impressive "maintenance headache free" use of an ESS is worth investing in.

I have come across user comments from people that converted used electric vehicle battery systems to home use and the experience have trumped the best that they've gotten from the traditional lead acid based ESS.

Even during my last LFP purchase, the merchant tried to impress it on me to consider his Lead-Carbon offerings claiming that the performance is at par with LFP. Of course I researched on it and found out it has better performance compared to the traditional lead chemistry but my less than impressive UX of lead based systems still made me to pass over it.

I have purchased used Lithium ions and LFP batteries at dirt cheap prices that trumped the lead chemistry variant price for price, capacity for capacity and is still going strong 2 to 3 years after - as good as when I first bought it. Some of these have stickers that show production date as far back as 2006, 2010 and 2013.

Lead based chemistry ESS merchants in Nigerian have truly bastardised the market and this majorly accounts for the discouragement of many Nigerians using alternative energy systems. You can only be sure of quality and honoured warrantee if you purchase directly from manufacturers. This same evil will definitely befall Lithium since SON is non-existent.

But as I have had cause to get good services from my past lithium supplier, I hope they will still maintain that honesty and quality service for subsequent purchases. That however does still not rule out trying other sellers that offer same or more for less buck, that's hoping that they are honest too.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 7:38am On Feb 13, 2020
Dam5reey:
LifePO4 are still overrated, Expensive and complicated at the stage..

Until it becomes widely used that any inverter can charge it effectively like the Lead acid, till then

Just do proper sizing, Lead acid is more than sufficient at 30-50% DOD and complete charge.

You can just get an external lithium dedicated charger to charge rather than rely on the one built into the inverter.

Besides I've a reservation for such types of inverters cos from experience I realize that they almost always have higher no-load draw than those without in built AC chargers.

And truly proper sizing to give very low DoD will get you mileage on use of your lead acid, that will definitely translate to more bucks; something that would have gotten you much more backup were you to channel it to lithium.

Also the abuse that I have inadvertently put some of my lithium thru is what lead battery will not be too forgiving of. Reason why "maintenance-headache free" use of LFP still endears me to it.

Lithiums are now available in various specs that is available for inverter use (not inverter charging though) and the limitation of freedom to reconfigure your battery bank is still one of its drawbacks. But even that too is being gradually overcome cos some of the lithium offers now come with possibility to connect up to 8 units (I haven't seen higher number) in series while they can also conveniently as always be connected in parallel.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeanslim(m): 9:48am On Feb 13, 2020
It's not a fine work, but it's over 27ah cool cool 18650 battery pack 3s 15p

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mahkanjuh: 10:06am On Feb 13, 2020
zeanslim:
It's not a fine work, but it's over 27ah cool cool 18650 battery pack 3s 15p

Please, can you explain this your set up and the what's the total capacity
Explian better please
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by generalstingz(m): 10:52am On Feb 13, 2020
AC / DC 18" Standing Fans Available @ 15k

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 12:29pm On Feb 13, 2020
generalstingz:
AC / DC 18" Standing Fans Available @ 15k

Ha! Bro, are you the one selling?

Because it's a lot cheaper somewhere o.

Not to spoil market o.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 12:33pm On Feb 13, 2020
mahkanjuh:


Please, can you explain this your set up and the what's the total capacity
Explian better please

It's what he said.

Around 27ah @ 12v.

3s 18-65-0 gives 12.6v @Full charge. It's 14p, and assuming each battery to be 2000mah gives you around 28ah.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeanslim(m): 12:50pm On Feb 13, 2020
generalstingz:
AC / DC 18" Standing Fans Available @ 15k

Inside life, I got this way cheaper tho
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by generalstingz(m): 12:58pm On Feb 13, 2020
ceaser:


Ha! Bro, are you the one selling?

Because it's a lot cheaper somewhere o.

Not to spoil market o.
The price tag is negotiable
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeanslim(m): 1:07pm On Feb 13, 2020
mahkanjuh:


Please, can you explain this your set up and the what's the total capacity
Explian better please

45- 18650 cells in total (norminal volt per cell is 3.7 and 4.2 when fully charged)

3, 15-18650 cells connected in parallel are connected in series. 3s 15p to make 12.6v = 4.2v * 3s

Each 18650 cells capacity is between 3000-2600mah

15p * 2600mah = 39000mah = 39ah

3s bms board to manage the charging and discharging of battery cells, thus I can easily charge with any good 12v charger eg cheap Chinese solar charge controller

Because I have not really tested it's full capacity I rated it 27ah+, but have ran that QASA standing fan on full for 8hours (24watts) .. only for the battery to drop to around 12.4.

When I have time I will run full drain test.

If my maths is wrong feel free to correct cool
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by spartacus11(m): 1:29pm On Feb 13, 2020
ceaser:


It's what he said.

Around 27ah @ 12v.

3s 18-65-0 gives 12.6v @Full charge. It's 14p, and assuming each battery to be 2000mah gives you around 28ah.

Boss please i still need some more explanation on this if i need 12v system from dis battery that will be 3.7-4.2 (3s) 11.1-12.6 at full charge

Lets say i need 80ah or 100ah how many pieces of this battery will i get lets say its 2000mah per piece.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeanslim(m): 1:36pm On Feb 13, 2020
spartacus11:


Boss please i still need some more explanation on this if i need 12v system from dis battery that will be 3.7-4.2 (3s) 11.1-12.6 at full charge

Lets say i need 80ah or 100ah how many pieces of this battery will i get lets say its 2000mah per piece.


100000mah ÷ 2000mah = 50, 18650 cells

50p * 3s = 150,18650 cells

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by spartacus11(m): 1:38pm On Feb 13, 2020
zeanslim:


30- 18650 cells in total (norminal volt per cell is 3.7 and 4.2 when fully charged)

3, 15-18650 cells connected in parallel are connected in series. 3s 15p to make 12.6v = 4.2v * 3s

Each 18650 cells capacity is between 3000-2600mah

15p * 2600mah = 39000mah = 39ah

3s bms board to manage the charging and discharging of battery cells, thus I can easily charge with any good 12v charger eg cheap Chinese solar charge controller

Because I have not really tested it's full capacity I rated it 27ah+, but have ran that QASA standing fan on full for 8hours (24watts) .. only for the battery to drop to around 12.4.

When I have time I will run full drain test.

If my maths is wrong feel free to correct cool


The red highlight is where i am confused, u said 30 pieces in total

15 pieces in parallel is it 15p×2 to make the 30 pieces, abeg in lay man explanation break it down thanks

Because i need 12v not less than 60ah or 80ah but not more than 100ah of this lithium set up
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 2:55pm On Feb 13, 2020
ceaser:


Ha! Bro, are you the one selling?

Because it's a [b]lot cheaper [/b]somewhere o.

Not to spoil market o.

Abi o, I bought one of this at quite high price, I liked it and wanted to buyer another one but then I stumbled on a cheaper source....I just vex buy 2 instead. cool
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeanslim(m): 3:40pm On Feb 13, 2020
spartacus11:


The red highlight is where u an confused u said 30 pieces in total

15 pieces in parallel is it 15p×2 to make the 30 pieces, abeg in lay man explanation break it down thanks

Because i need 12v not less than 60ah or 80ah but not more than 100ah of this lithium set up

Sorry jawe, 45 in Total 15*3 = 45

But if you want to build a bigger setup it's always preferable to make it 4s so as to achieve 14.8 norminal volt.

Based on my understanding, overcharging kills li ion battery the most, so you will have no problems Charging up to 3.7 volts and not 4.2

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by justcallmenuel(m): 8:13pm On Feb 13, 2020
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Olumighty123(m): 8:50pm On Feb 13, 2020
konami001:
Are there any noteworthy sellers of the charge controller and solar panels around in naija? Would love to know prices of each compo,

Yeah, I can refer you to someone I know around oshodi arena
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 8:53pm On Feb 13, 2020
generalstingz:

The price tag is negotiable

Oh, Okay.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by justcallmenuel(m): 11:54am On Feb 14, 2020
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BetaTechnicians: 7:30am On Feb 15, 2020
justcallmenuel:
3kva felicity hybrid inverter available, #160000. Call/WhatsApp us on 08168986461

Snap the side that has the full specs so we can see more details.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by justcallmenuel(m): 8:02am On Feb 15, 2020
BetaTechnicians:

Snap the side that has the full specs so we can see more details.

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