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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:22pm On Feb 17, 2020
DesignPoint:
angry
Please NUC, agree to their terms.

You'll never really know how important they are until you have an emergency.
Abeg. It's not all of us that can afford to travel abroad for medical reasons

No one said they shouldn’t practice medicine... the NUC is only regulrizing their policy on lecturing qualification....why should doctors have an exception and be allowed to lecture with only their first degree..

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by SmartByki(m): 1:23pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

Your comment reeks of envy and ignorance. You need to educate yourself on what it takes to become a fellow in any medical specialty.
When you’re done; then tell if that is not at least equivalent to a doctorate or even superior.

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Jokerman(m): 1:23pm On Feb 17, 2020
blowjohn:




Which stupid rigors?
Can u compare a medical professor to other professors?
Ur comparing ordinary PhD to the rigors of becoming a professor in the clinical sciences?
What value does it add to teaching cos teaching of medical students is more of a practical thing if one wants results.

Is it only medical students that undergo these rigors?
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:24pm On Feb 17, 2020
emapeteum:
In the first instance, physicians were not supposed to go with the title Doctor. The title is purely academic with the highest academic qualification to teach. Equating residency to Ph.D. is laughable. Quite sad that most physicians who are Professors in Nigerian Universities are not Ph.D. holders.
Correcting an error that has been the norm by NUC is not out of place and NMA should stop this blackmailing behavior. Whoever wants to criticize this should check history, please.

You will not die young

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by 0m0nnakoda: 1:25pm On Feb 17, 2020
CSTR2:

I am a chemical engineer.

From 400 level -500 level, only lecturers with doctorate took us in school.
300 level is for lecturers with atleast a masters.
That is the policy.

How much more in medicine that deals with human life and need highly experienced teachers.
You are making assumptions from an ignorant perspective
You are ignorant of how medical education works.
Medicine is essentially an APPRENTICESHIP. and existed for years outside the university environment mainly in clinical settings.

Many doctors essentially are technicians

Let me use Federal teaching Hospitals to illustrate. Teaching Hospitals are under the Ministry of Healt which pays the Consultants.

The affiliated medical school is a university entity.
In clinical sciences there usually would be an
Academic surgery departments headed by a PhD and other Lecturers who would be Phds that carry out lecturing and academic supervision of postgrads.
The surgery department of the teaching Hospital often is distinct from that of the medical school. It is very important to remember this especially as in some cases they use the same accomodation etc
Teaching Hospital departments are focused on treatment delivery and sometimes making money
The medical school is about teaching. It has no capacity to provide practical clinical teaching and relies on Consultants and middle grade doctors from the teaching Hospital to provide practical training.
Often Academics from the medical school work in the Teaching Hospital and they may have a formal Consulant contract as well as a lecturer/professor contract This may be as Honorary (unpaid) Consultants or substantive

The same is true for Teaching Hospital consultants who may get Honorary Lecturers positions
Generally speaking Teaching Hospitals have plenty of Consultants compared to medical schools and it is these Honorary Lecturers who keep medical school going OFTEN unpaid for Lecturer activities

Practically apart from Lectures
Apprenticeship training takes place in hospitals under Consultants who may have no relationship with the medical school

If you are training in Orthopaedics you want to spend time at Igbobi

For Psychiatry there is Yaba or Aro

These placements are under Consultants supervision not Phds

that is the nature of medical training. Practical course learnt by apprenticeship

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by SmartByki(m): 1:26pm On Feb 17, 2020
Gentle20love:
But that's the right thing to do now. Must everything in this country be solved with strike action?
How can you be a lecturing medical doctor without PhD. Common sense should tell us that it doesn't work that way. Mtcheeew
Are you trying to say all your lecturers had PhDs ?
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:27pm On Feb 17, 2020
Gentle20love:
But that's the right thing to do now. Must everything in this country be solved with strike action?
How can you be a lecturing medical doctor without PhD. Common sense should tell us that it doesn't work that way. Mtcheeew


Those doctors spend 6 years to get BSc n MSc, they spend 4 - 6 years as resident doctors to become consultants, it would be evil for them to need to spend another 4 - 6 years to get a PhD

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by DandyWalker(m): 1:29pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.
But really, residency program is much more rigorous than any PhD you could ever think of, and It takes an average of 5 to 7 yrs to complete one. Moreso medicine is a practical and professional course. What counts more is their experience.

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:30pm On Feb 17, 2020
allthingsgood:
iF they strike FG should sack all of them and hire capable hands idiats!

Hire who?

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:36pm On Feb 17, 2020
funmisticqueen2:
A residency of 5-6 years is more rigorous than a PhD.

U don’t sound very intelligent....rigorousity isn’t the criteria of a PhD....there are so many rigorous things in life.... don’t equate what has different requirement together......5years or even 100years residency might be rigorous than a PhD as u claim...but do not equate the two...they ain’t equivalent ....

...a PhD has a requirement of carrying out a laboratory or field independent novel research with nothing less than a total of 20,000 word thesis of ur findings at the end of 4yrs......unless a doctor does this in their residency they should stop this nonsense

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by SIRTee15: 1:38pm On Feb 17, 2020
CSTR2:
A doctor does not know about pathology than an anatomist with a PhD.

We were taught anatomy by anatomy graduate while in medical school....
I felt they were more interested in forcing us learn so much anatomy rather than impacting the relevant clinical anatomy we really need...
It was like they wanted us to become anatomist which on the long run wasn't useful....

I feel medical doctors should train n teach medical students....
Clinical knowledge should be impacted as early as possible in medical training- right from basic medical....
Only a medical doctor can achieve this.....

I agree doctors in basic medical science should get necessary academic qualification needed to teach in the universities.....
Exception could be consultants pathologists who already have a professional qualification....

PhD is very useless in clinical science especially for nigeria where funding for clinical research is poor....
So what exactly will they use the PhD for....
I think we should be pragmatic here n not just make abstract decisions based on envy n prejudice....
Fellowship in nigeria is thorough n deep and that's exactly what our medical schools need to ensure continuity of knowledge...

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Jokerman(m): 1:39pm On Feb 17, 2020
funmisticqueen2:
A residency of 5-6 years is more rigorous than a PhD.

Does it make it a PhD?

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by 0m0nnakoda: 1:39pm On Feb 17, 2020
yinchar:
What a bunch of illiterate medical doctors saying "PhD is cosmetics"

All over the world, a PhD or equivalent is required as a minimum qualification to join academic positions at lecturer level and above at any University.

A PhD exposes one to a narrower field but at greater depth and understanding.

Most medical doctors that are teaching our medical students are just holders of MBBS which is a Bachelors degree equivalent to having BTech or BSc in Engineering. However, with residency periods, we can subjectively agree/disagree its equivalent (but not) to Masters.

Irrespective of the aforementioned, to be a lecturer in a proper University you need to have a PhD, there is no shortcut about it.
Your assertions are untrue and misleading
Medicine is not a purely academic exercise
It is learnt by apprenticeship
That is how it has ALWAYS been

MOST clinicians involved in medical student training are NOT employed by the medical school in Nigeria and that is exactly how it is in the UK.
Medicine has tended to use the facility of Honorary Lecturer as a way of engaging specialists in medical education

Doctors generally do not pursue Phds rather they pursue specialization and that is also an apprenticeship model undertaking as long or longer than MBBS.
Phds in Medicine are more relevant to research than clinical work.

If you leave medical school and pursue a Phd immediately you cannot work as a specialist because you are not considered to be one.
A specialist qualification is more relevant in clinical work

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by NubianX: 1:39pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.


Ignorance is a disease, and that's what you just displayed here. Not even in US Ivy league institutions are general discipline certifications ever equated with the noble, hierarchically progressive medical education. The years of training for a typical medical specialty or fellowship are even more than that of common discipline doctorate.

If this RUBBISH is allowed, even a medical student can easily bag a PhD while still an undergrad... grin

Reason:
1. Most PhDs today can be bagged online and
2. Medical students are pragmatically smarter than other category of students.

NUC or Anybody wonders why medical school grades are left at just Pass/Fail and not the elementary A, B, C, D & F obtained in other purely academic disciplines?

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by 0m0nnakoda: 1:41pm On Feb 17, 2020
Imagine if it were said

Only Phds can teach at the Nigerian Defence Academy

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Jokerman(m): 1:41pm On Feb 17, 2020
Cptflint:
We should be praying that academic union wins this ippis war with FG.. Because if they loss.. We won't be here talking about PhD and residency.. Because the teaching hospitals won't be paying us our honorary consultants salary..
It will be terrible.. Because we won't earn salary from the teaching hospital and the universities again...

So doctors can be fraudulent as well??
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by eedimo(m): 1:46pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

Ignorance speaking
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by AMvanquish: 1:47pm On Feb 17, 2020
AK481:


They can continue becoming doctors without a PhD, but not lecturer in the university.

They can’t bend the rules for them.

Ok. Another angle. thanks

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by billbonesmd(m): 1:48pm On Feb 17, 2020
The problem with Nigeria is everyone trying to make an argument without first gaining insight into a particular situation.

1. One part argue the requirement is PHD to lecture. A medical student in surgery class will be taught surgery by only the surgeon who has Phd. Question is who will supervise the coursework of a surgeon in the PHD program?

2. Theorists counter experience and insist we stick to laws. Is a fresh MIT PHD graduate in aerospace engineering employed to teach an astronaut flying?

3. Nigerians and the quest for certification. We own for certificates than other countries combined, and yet offer no tangible value for all that certification. Companies run away from open employment because of the cost of retraining our CERTIFIED graduates.

4. Whether or not NUC wins or not, doctors will be threatened and will continue living in droves. No incentives, no protection, no appreciation.

Brexit happened because of NHS, you dumbwits, and someone here who hasn't been to LUTH or Igbobi says they should go.

A country of 200million certified fools, ruled by an uncertified president whose WAEC is in doubt, all proposing more certification and less practicality.

Vote Sowore next time, we need to legalise weed.
Maybe y'all can see better

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by 0m0nnakoda: 1:48pm On Feb 17, 2020
There is no need to strike on this issue

If they can find enough Phds good luck to them
How many doctors in Nigeria have a Phd?
Doctors do not have to teach biochemistry but who will teach surgery?

How many universities in Nigeria can support and supervise a Phd
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by TonyeBarcanista(m): 1:49pm On Feb 17, 2020
worworbabe:


Everything is wrong with you lot who think you must comment under every post. Do you know what Residency training is?
Mr Man, PhD is an academic qualification the last time I checked

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Jokerman(m): 1:49pm On Feb 17, 2020
Oracle23:



Those doctors spend 6 years to get BSc n MSc, they spend 4 - 6 years as resident doctors to become consultants, it would be evil for them to need to spend another 4 - 6 years to get a PhD

Itd the same for engineer

5 years- BSc
3 years - MSc
4 years- PhD

4 years residency(work experience)- Certified Engineer

Yet you don't see us complaining. Remember Engineering also deals with lives, more so properties

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by stasius: 1:49pm On Feb 17, 2020
Hahahahah haha.


Nonsense and ingredients.

The PhD may be useful in classroom theory whatever. But when it comes to the real stuff... Real medical practice, PhD is shit... I mean useless shit grin grin. A year 2 resident will reveal your emptiness to the students inside the wards, emergency rooms, clinics, etc.

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by NubianX: 1:49pm On Feb 17, 2020
Correcto:
Honestly Nigerian Doctors are becoming too political than scientific. They getting full of themselves, thereby displaying clear stupidity.


IGNORANCE IS A DISEASE...AND THATS WHY IN NIGERIA, PPL REASONING LIKE NUC CHIEFTAINS AND THEIR ILL INFORMED SYMPATHIZERS STILL DIE OF COMPLICATIONS OF CONDITIONS LIKE DIABETES AND HTN...THEY KNOW NOT; YET THEY TOO IGNORANT TO LEARN...Gbam!!!! grin

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by danilmo: 1:50pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.


They should get out??

Maybe u ll start treating urself and relative or ur community men wen they fall sick...

ones consultant strike,do u know how many patient ll die from such act?

talking from ur Anus..

Meanwhile if ur assertion of a compulsory PHD be mandated, hope NUC ll b ready to Rate medical professors more than other profs??
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by 0m0nnakoda: 1:50pm On Feb 17, 2020
Jokerman:


So doctors can be fraudulent as well??
Fraudulent how?
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by TonyeBarcanista(m): 1:50pm On Feb 17, 2020
blowjohn:


How many doctors do we have in the country?
How many consultants?
How many want to teach?
Doctors should get PhD when they dont even have time for themselves becos of hospital work
The directive didn't say doctors should get PhD qualification, it simply say Doctors should get the qualification if they that want to go into teaching (in Units)

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by AMvanquish: 1:51pm On Feb 17, 2020
edoairways:

Not in academic field. Those doctors are aware infact some had pursue their PhD but many choose to be adamant to change

If they turn to academics only , and not willing to upgrade their qualification. Then the NUC order is in the right direction. They system cant favor others
and discriminate the rest.

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Jokerman(m): 1:52pm On Feb 17, 2020
NubianX:



Ignorance is a disease, and that's what you just displayed here. Not even in US Ivy league institutions are general discipline certifications ever equated with the noble, hierarchically progressive medical education. The years of training for a typical medical specialty or fellowship are even more than that of common discipline doctorate.

If this RUBBISH is allowed, even a medical student can easily bag a PhD while still an undergrad... grin

Reason:
1. Most PhDs today can be bagged online and
2. Medical students are pragmatically smarter than other category of students.

NUC or Anybody wonders why medical school grades are left at just Pass/Fail and not the elementary A, B, C, D & F obtained in other purely academic disciplines?

How can a medical doctor that doesn't know mathematics be smarter than an engineer?

A doctor what can't design a room?? angry

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Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by sykeng(m): 1:54pm On Feb 17, 2020
Obeghare:

Do you also know the rigors involved in becoming a fellow of of either the national postgraduate medical college of Nigeria or that of West Africa. Taking over 5 to 8 years to complete. Infact a fresh university medically trained doctor should be doing his PhD directly

Lollllll, Doctors!!! From MBBS to PhD? Continue
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by danilmo: 1:54pm On Feb 17, 2020
Ghostmode2two:
If the lecturing medical doctors don't want to obtain their PhD they can leave the classroom and return to the treatment room

And hope u ll take over their teaching Job
Re: Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive by Nobody: 1:59pm On Feb 17, 2020
obi4eze:
angry

Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.
Your comment proves that Nigerians are knowledgeable in all aspects except in the area of health. Seeing the number of likes you have gotten so far leaves me bewildered.

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