Your questions:

Donaldoni:
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Wherever you hear the word dullllard, just answer yes!

Why did Binis have to wait for Oranmiyan to come and establish the current royal dynasty before they adopted the Yoruba word, Oba

Why did you do away with ogiso Binis learnt Yoruba and adopted it as their second language.

As regards the British conquest of the Egbas in 1918, go and write your own history book if you are not satisfied with what we have on ground...

The answers I have already given you:

ghostwon:


1) Your claim about Oranmiyan is fraudulent. You can't even give a date when he is supposed to have entered Benin Kingdom. You can't even prove that he ever existed. And I am pretty sure you have never been any where inside Edo state or Delta state.
2)Who is the father of the ooni of ife ? To the best of my recollection, your ooni of ife has a bigger brother and a father, both alive and none of them ever were the ooni of ife. This only proves the ife throne is a fraud.
3) just to help your deluded mind: there was never any oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso, Igodomigodo. Those are fairytales. Your chiefs didn't answer the title Oba in precolonial days nor in early colonial days. Instead they would answer the title "sir", example: "oni of ife, sir tunje".
Your chiefs did this because they sought recognition from the British who propped them up. It is only late in the colonial era that your chiefs switched to "Oba" rather than "sir" and it became: ooni of ife, Oba tunje.
4) Edo people speak a lot of languages, some speak English, some speak French some speak Japanese, Haussa, igbo and Yoruba. What I can't find in this is your point.
5) The Oba of Benin visited:
a) the sultan of Sokoto
b) the Olu of Wari
c) the Otaru if Auchi
d) the emir of Kano
e) the Etsu Nupe
f) the Obong of Calabar

It is only the low self esteem yoruba of ife who tried to twist the visit in order to gain some much desired recognition. I am just wondering how come you the Yoruba, all about you is a lie, all you do all day is about deception. Even your ooni spends his time telling lies, he claimed:
a) an ooni of ife lived 400 years
b) the Igbo migrated from ife
c) Yoruba have artefacts dated to several thousand years ago
d) the Igbo people are Igbo
e) he calls himself emperor while he never had an army

The truth is that the origin of the Yoruba lays in Brazil. Your ancestors were captured all over Africa and made slaves in the Americas, after their liberation, they were all dumped in what is now the south west of Nigeria. That is why the Yoruba are extremely confused and full with lies, you don't belong here.

ghostwon:


1) The things which do not make sense are all the rubbish which you just typed.
As I have already told you, languages evolve over time.
The fact you have a definition for Oba other than the ruler of Benin empire in your dictionary today doesn't imply it was so hundreds of years ago. Actually hundreds of years ago, you had no dictionary your ancestors couldn't write.
So it is completely stupid to claim the word Oba while your only justification is the current meaning of the word in your language.

2) It seems you need me to repeat, because your brain is very slow:

3) the incredible stupidity of the Yoruba is that you keep believing you are the costodians of other people's history and traditions. You would see Igbo and say, this is your history, you will see Edo and say this is your history, you will see ijaw and say here is your history ...wtf
These your lies most likely started when your ancestors were freshly dumped in our shores and had to make all sorts of lies in order to survive and be accepted by the locals.

But somehow your brain is just too slow to comprehend.

ghostwon:
Your questions:



The answers I have already given you:






But somehow your brain is just too slow to comprehend.

Wherever you hear olodo, just say yes!

You've lost this one...

gregyboy:


Sir i will still say it the only thing the yorubas have used to surpass the edo people is population

Lets leave edo past glories behind at recent times even since the beginning of nigeria edos have been in the affairs of nigeria and have been representing nationally and internationally despite it small population
Just imagine it had a population like the yorubas it will be a dominion force in the entire nigeria even seizing complete power to itself

Wa o, clap!!! Clap!!! I am happy to see that @gregyboy has humbled himself, see gregyboy that used to argue blindly without any written evidence to back up his claims, just like ghostwon is doing right now.
I have mentioned it, several times in previous discussions, that even the Benin royals know they are mostly pure Yoruba bloods, so no qualms about this...@ghostwon, you better stop all this gibberish you are writing online, as you can never change history no matter how hard you try to rewrite it.

I think you've grown up @gregyboy, your sins are forgiven and you are gladly welcomed to the comity of scholars, go and sin no more.

geosegun:


Wa o, clap!!! Clap!!! I am happy to see that @gregyboy has humbled himself, see gregyboy that used to argue blindly without any written evidence to back up his claims, just like ghostwon is doing right now.
I have mentioned it, several times in previous discussions, that even the Benin royals know they are mostly pure Yoruba bloods, so no qualms about this...@ghostwon, you better stop all this gibberish you are writing online, as you can never change history no matter how hard you try to rewrite it.

I think you've grown up @gregyboy, your sins are forgiven and you are gladly welcomed to the comity of scholars, go and sin no more.

You seem to have some brain damage.
What gregyboy said has nothing to do with your reply, this makes me wonder if you even read him before quoting him.

For the last time, the Oba of Benin is not Yoruba, he is not interested in becoming Yoruba and he is not even curious about your fake Yoruba tribe made of slave returnees and brainwashed locals.

ghostwon:


You seem to have some brain damage.
What gregyboy said has nothing to do with your reply, this makes me wonder if you even read him before quoting him.

For the last time, the Oba of Benin is not Yoruba, he is not interested in becoming Yoruba and he is not even curious about your fake Yoruba tribe made of slave returnees and brainwashed locals.

That's a great sign of immaturity on your part. I won't drag this with you any further. You are forgiven.
NB: @gregyboy probably understands where i am coming from...Thanks for your understanding...

Donaldoni:


@bolded says a lot. I don't debate with dullllards...

For emphasis, Benin fell to the British in 6 days precisely on the February 18, 1897 - what a conincidence! Today is February 18, 2020.

https://litcaf.com/benin-expedition/

Ijebu fell in 1892 in 7 days, conquered by an army partly made up of fellow Yorubas (Ibadan people)...

https://litcaf.com/imagbon-war/

Egbas held out the British for a month from June - July 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adubi_War

Other parts of Yoruba land (mainly Ibadan vs Ekiti) were enmeshed in a grueling civil war also known as the the Kiriji war. Hence, the British ended the war and took over administration.

No matter how much you revile Ife, Your 'god-like' Oba remains an Ife prince...

Am not here to brag about our past glory because all as you said that was her past glories but I will still like to correct some wrong notion you have about the Benin-British war


The Benin kingdom was the last kingdom in africa or west afrca to have been annahilated.And it was a well documented war that had cost the British millions of pounds the war had lasted 5 weeks , chief ologbsere continued with guriella tactics for 2yrs till he was finally caught ,

I repeat the Benin British war was fully documented by both the British and the Benin’s, pictures are all over to prove it unlike the egbas who just did guriella warfare with the British

I wouldn’t want to go further because you will still say it is all in her past glories

I will leave you to read it up on this link below


https://beninexpedition120yearson.weebly.com/about.html


Enough of the past glories let’s talk about how far the yorubas had done despite that democracy Favour’s populations

No need to mention me further you can take a personal research on that

You will see that edo state that is not as populated as delta state or any Yoruba state is still a moving and dominant force in Nigeria in terms of acedemics , sport, politics religion

gregyboy:


Enough of the edits past glories let’s talk about how far the yorubas had done despite that democracy Favour’s populations

No need to mention me further you can take a personal research on that

You will see that edo state that is not as populated as delta state or any Yoruba state is still a moving and dominant force in Nigeria in terms of acedemics , sport, politics religion

The only state you can compete in Yorubaland are Osun or Ekiti.

How can you compare Edo state to Oyo, Ogun, Ondo, Lagos.

What do you have
What are your natural resources?
What are your agricultural resources.
How's your education fairing.

Don't argue blindly.
Ibadan alone, is more developed than Edo state.

How many malls do you have self.
Go and sleep joor

Donaldoni:


Come on!

Oranmiyan's Yoruba heritage is all over Benin till tomorrow.

Binis bear Yorubas names, worship Yoruba gods, speak Yoruba (Usen speak regular Yoruba) etc etc

Why did you replace the word 'ogiso' with 'Oba'

Hasn't your new Oba been to Ife already to pay homage to his father(Ooni) It's a ritual that must be performed by every new Oba of Benin...

True!

ghostwon:

What year was that ?
Show me just one written note about oranmiyan (written by a person who met him).
Like the random Yoruba, you mistake fairytales with reality.
There was never an oranmiyan, the story was made up.

Haha! Notice your own intellectual cup-out for a second.

1. Does Benin have a first Oba?

2. "Show me just one written note about" him ("written by a person who met him" ).

3. Oh you can't meet such a rdiculous demand?

4. Should we now conclude (from that) that Benin had no first Oba?

5. Now you should have seen the extent of the absurdity of your defence and the fallacy of your supposed logic.

geosegun:


Wa o, clap!!! Clap!!! I am happy to see that @gregyboy has humbled himself, see gregyboy that used to argue blindly without any written evidence to back up his claims, just like ghostwon is doing right now.
I have mentioned it, several times in previous discussions, that even the Benin royals know they are mostly pure Yoruba bloods, so no qualms about this...@ghostwon, you better stop all this gibberish you are writing online, as you can never change history no matter how hard you try to rewrite it.

I think you've grown up @gregyboy, your sins are forgiven and you are gladly welcomed to the comity of scholars, go and sin no more.

He probably eventually took the bold step of reading up on the references I do present before him, as I have always adviced him to.

Yes, he is now aware. He's been a good boy lately. Hahaha!

TAO11:


He probably eventually took the bold step of reading up on the references I do present before him, as I have always adviced him to.

Yes, he is now aware. He's been a good boy lately. Hahaha!

Your are not serious .....

If only the yorubas can start reading history books from the beginning and not the end they will know oduduwa ekaladeran is a benin prince given to the yorubas

TAO11:


Haha! Notice your own intellectual cup-out for a second.

1. Does Benin have a first Oba?

2. "Show me just one written note about" him ("written by a person who met him" ).

3. Oh you can't meet such a rdiculous demand?

4. Should we now conclude (from that) that Benin had no first Oba?

5. Now you should have seen the extent of the absurdity of your defence and the fallacy of your supposed logic.

Doesn yoruba had oba before the arrival of the britsh post any articles that date from earliest 20c adressing any yoruba king as oba ,

Oromiyan didnt rule at all in benin he could have been the only person to have established oba dynasty if he had ruled that is if oba word was from yoruba
But fortunately he didnt rule it was his son who ruled and he personally coined ths world oba,
The word oba came into the yoruba lexicon because of benin conquest into yoruba lands


I have shared animal names that are common to both edo and yorubas on this post because of benin influence on yorubas

gregyboy:


Am not here to brag about our past glory because all as you said that was her past glories but I will still like to correct some wrong notion you have about the Benin-British war


The Benin kingdom was the last kingdom in africa or west afrca to have been annahilated.And it was a well documented war that had cost the British millions of pounds the war had lasted 5 weeks , chief ologbsere continued with guriella tactics for 2yrs till he was finally caught ,

I repeat the Benin British war was fully documented by both the British and the Benin’s, pictures are all over to prove it unlike the egbas who just did guriella warfare with the British

I wouldn’t want to go further because you will still say it is all in her past glories

I will leave you to read it up on this link below


https://beninexpedition120yearson.weebly.com/about.html


Enough of the past glories let’s talk about how far the yorubas had done despite that democracy Favour’s populations

No need to mention me further you can take a personal research on that

You will see that edo state that is not as populated as delta state or any Yoruba state is still a moving and dominant force in Nigeria in terms of acedemics , sport, politics religion

Why are you revising history Benin was completely destroyed in 6 days with the Oba banished to Calabar... These are the facts... The British the appointed Obaseki to run the leftover of the city... Your link is most likely authored by a patriotic Bini fellow. Are you the author of the blog

How can you ever allude that Edos surpass Yorubas in any of the areas you mentioned Come on!

When did they start writing Bini language down like Yoruba and English

In fact, visit this thread to get refreshed - https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe

what is unicorn called

very useful

TAO11:


Haha! Notice your own intellectual cup-out for a second.

1. Does Benin have a first Oba?

2. "Show me just one written note about" him ("written by a person who met him" ).

3. Oh you can't meet such a rdiculous demand?

4. Should we now conclude (from that) that Benin had no first Oba?

5. Now you should have seen the extent of the absurdity of your defence and the fallacy of your supposed logic.

You really lack the basics of logics.
Knowing that there is a first peron to hold a title which is held today is not the same as claiming some imaginary man named oranmiyan existed in a time yet to be determined and did stuff of which we magically have a great precion.
You definately failed logics.:

1)There was a first Oba of Benin since we have proof that there is an Oba of Benin as we speak.
2)Nobody knows when the first Oba of Benin lived since nobody in the region could write untill recently.
3)Nobody knows the name of the first Oba of Benin for the same reason as the above.
4)We know about the first Oba of Benin-history: the first one who was written about by a person who met him and whose text is available today.

I wonder why nigerians with almost no education like you always try to punch above their level and ofcourse always underestimate whomever they are talking to.
I know that there was a first man to swim, but I can't give you his name, his color, the year it took place or even where it took place, these informations are not available to mankind. I am not going to fill in the blanks by saying his name was oranmiyan and he came from ife... you get this ?
Being honest sometimes means you say: this information is not available to anybody.
Talking about the first Oba of Benin is just like talking about the first man to swim: this information is not available to mankind !



Fortunately for you, maths is kind of my thing. I wrote down a maths lesson for you. Free of charge:

ghostwon:


You really lack the basics of logics.
Knowing that there is a first peron to hold a title which is held today is not the same as claiming some imaginary man named oranmiyan existed in a time yet to be determined and did stuff of which we magically have a great precion.
You definately failed logics.:

1)There was a first Oba of Benin since we have proof that there is an Oba of Benin as we speak.
2)Nobody knows when the first Oba of Benin lived since nobody in the region could write untill recently.
3)Nobody knows the name of the first Oba of Benin for the same reason as the above.
4)We know about the first Oba of Benin-history: the first one who was written about by a person who met him and whose text is available today.

I wonder why nigerians with almost no education like you always try to punch above their level and ofcourse always underestimate whomever they are talking to.
I know that there was a first man to swim, but I can't give you his name, his color, the year it took place or even where it took place, these informations are not available to mankind. I am not going to fill in the blanks by saying his name was oranmiyan and he came from ife... you get this ?
Being honest sometimes means you say: this information is not available to anybody.
Talking about the first Oba of Benin is just like talking about the first man to swim: this information is not available to mankind !



Fortunately for you, maths is kind of my thing. I wrote down a maths lesson for you. Free of charge:

As is expected, you failed miserably to be able to wrap your head around the logic basics I delineated.

Without much talk, the following is a granulated synopsis of what you failed to catch the first time:

1. You made the existence of an extant "written note" (about a historical figure) as the cornerstone and acid test of whether or not they really existed.

2. In my response, I pin-pointed the hypocricy and the inherent fallacy of your acid test by bringing up the case of a first Oba of Benin about which I'm certain that you can not produce an extant "written note" of (at least) his name.

3. You smelt the rat and returned with an almost endless rant of cheap excuses, arguing and yapping that we can be certain that there was oBviOuSlY a first Oba of Benin, by reasoning inductively and regressively from the fact there is one today.

Guess what! That precisely is my point which you still haven't realized. Come with me:

4. What you did above (even without you realizing it yet) is to have admitted my implicit argument that:

The non-existence of an extant "written note" about a historical figure has absolutely nothing to do with the non-existence of the historical figure.

In other words, it is fallacious (just as is seen in your argument) to pin down "written note" as the sole acid test to verify whether or not a historical figure truly lived.

5. No! The absence of one such criteria does not at all nail the non-existence of a figure, other approaches (e.g. inductive reasoning, etc.) could nullify and falsify such baseless demand for written notes.



On The Historicity of Oranmiyan/Oranyan:

Having flawed your request for an extant written note (as the acid test for the existence or non-existence of a historical figure) to be a logical fallacy; the following two points confirms without a doubt that Oranmiyan is a real historical figure.

1. The concept of Recurrent "Independent" Attestation:

(A) One of your pseudohistorical sentiments is obviously that the Oba (or Eweka) dynasty of Benin kingdom is absolutely independent of Ile-Ife.

(B) You also hold the idea that the Binis were simply imagining too much when they narrated the episode of how a certain Oranmiyan came from Ile-Ife and founded a dynastic kingom in Benin.

You beleive (although without any proof) that not one thing of such actually happened in reality.

(C) However, the Ife people (and the Oyo people) also have the same episode of a certain Oranmiyan --- an Ife prince --- in their respective ancient histories.

(D) Now the question which you have to ponder to yourself with honesty is as follows:

How come I blindly beleive that the Binis simply came up with this episode (among others) only as a folklore, yet the Ife people too have the same episode in their ancient history; and I am not prepared to think that they teamed up to make this up, because I also believe that they actually have no dynastic connection??


Lol. The truth is not far-fetched. Oranmiyan is a real historical personage found in Ife, Benin, and Oyo ancient histories; and the narrative is consistent in each of these places ---- A prince from Ife who established a dynastic line in Benin (and in Oyo).

The reason why you struggle hard (although without evidence) to downplay this history to myth is also very obvious.


2. Writting:

Although I have demonstrated that the non-existence of any extant writting disproves nothing.

However, there exists today --- even as I write now --- an extant piece of ancient writting at Ile-Ife which depicts Oranmiyan's name carved on stone preserved for posterity.

Oranmiyan's name is found engraved, in ancient Near Eastern characters, on the ancient obelisk dedicated to Oranmiyan at Ile-Ife.

Let's see what cheap excuse you come up with this time.

TAO11:



1. You made the existence of an extant "written note" (about a historical figure) as the cornerstone and acid test of whether or not they really existed.

Actually, you don't know what a historical figure is: a historical figure is a person captured by history.
To be a historical figure, there must be a surviving text about you, written either by you either by a person who met you.
I asked the year oranmiyan is supposed to have entered Benin Kingdom in order to make you guys realize you are dealing with a fairytale. Oranmiyan never existed.

I corrected my earlier statement because I didn't notice you wrote "historical figure". I thought you were talking about a random person who existed long ago.

TAO11:



However, there exists today --- even as I write now --- an extant piece of ancient writting at Ile-Ife which depicts Oranmiyan's name carved on stone preserved for posterity.

Oranmiyan's name is found engraved in ancient Near Eastern characters on the ancient obelisk dedicated to Oranmiyan at Ile-Ife.

It is funny that you will tell such a blatant lie and expect anybody to believe you.
Your ancestors had no written language.
Your statement therefor makes no sense.

You are just on a tribalistic quest. Telling lies and trying to decieve in order to defend Yoruba dogmas.

I see you are telling me that I claim oranmiyan never existed with no proof.
Well it is impossible to prove that a fictional character never existed, unless the fictional character has features which are not possible for human beings ( like oduduwa climbing down the sky with an iron chain). The burden of proof is on the person who claims someone existed.

"ghodiduwa was the first man to swim, he was from Lagos, he had three children, they discovered medicine and they spread their knowledge across the region."
I guess the burden of proof is upon the unbeliever ! If you don't believe my story then show proof ghodiduwa never existed !

Of course a lot of people existed with no written trace of them. They were not captured by history! That doesn't mean we should just start inventing people and claiming they did this and that, they came from this place and that place. And when you are asked for proof, you claim: well they were not captured by history. In that case anybody can just create a person who never existed and give the same argument as you.

I think you need me to repeat, and this time read with your head out of your ass:

ghostwon:


You really lack the basics of logics.
Knowing that there is a first peron to hold a title which is held today is not the same as claiming some imaginary man named oranmiyan existed in a time yet to be determined and did stuff of which we magically have a great precion.
You definately failed logics.:

1)There was a first Oba of Benin since we have proof that there is an Oba of Benin as we speak.
2)Nobody knows when the first Oba of Benin lived since nobody in the region could write untill recently.
3)Nobody knows the name of the first Oba of Benin for the same reason as the above.
4)We know about the first Oba of Benin-history: the first one who was written about by a person who met him and whose text is available today.

I wonder why nigerians with almost no education like you always try to punch above their level and ofcourse always underestimate whomever they are talking to.
I know that there was a first man to swim, but I can't give you his name, his color, the year it took place or even where it took place, these informations are not available to mankind. I am not going to fill in the blanks by saying his name was oranmiyan and he came from ife... you get this ?
Being honest sometimes means you say: this information is not available to anybody.
Talking about the first Oba of Benin is just like talking about the first man to swim: this information is not available to mankind !



Fortunately for you, maths is kind of my thing. I wrote down a maths lesson for you. Free of charge:

Obviously, oranmiyan, oduduwa, igodomigodo, ogiso, and the likes were fairytales which were born in Nigeria's colonial era. Nothing was heard about them before the colonial era.

ghostwon:


I never did that.

You have difficulties understanding or you are doing this on purpose.

I asked the year oranmiyan is supposed to have entered Benin Kingdom in order to make you guys realize you are dealing with a fairytale.

Oranmiyan never existed.

Lol! You never asked for written note as evidence that Oranmiyan existed??

Of course you did. See attached screenshot below. Stop being a typical Bini --- I mean, stop lying.

Again, I find it amusing that you think you're rapairing the damage from your earlier absurd request for "written note", by emphasizing that you made another absurd request for "year" of entry.

Listen to the following exchange if it's in anyway helpful:

Me: I do not know for certain the year Mr. XYZ came to Lagos.

You: Haha! I knew it. Mr XYZ never came to Lagos.

Like seriously?? Is this the best defence you could muster in defence of your earlier absurd request??

By God, you just tried to cover up a hole by digging up a bigger and deeper one.

Brush up!

TAO11:


Lol! You never asked for written note as evidence that Oranmiyan existed??

Of course you did. See attached screenshot below. Stop being a typical Bini --- I mean, stop lying.

Again, I find it amusing that you think you're rapairing the damage from your earlier absurd request for "written note", by emphasizing that you made another absurd request for "year" of entry.

Listen to the following exchange if it's in anyway helpful:

Me: I do not know for certain the year Mr. XYZ came to Lagos.

You: Haha! I knew it. Mr XYZ never came to Lagos.

Like seriously?? Is this the best defence you coukd muster un defence of your earlier absurd request??

By God, you just tried to cover up a hole by digging up a bigger and deeper one.

Brush up!

You are incredibly dumb.

My reply:

ghostwon:

Actually, you don't know what a historical figure is: a historical figure is a person captured by history.
To be a historical figure, there must be a surviving text about you, written either by you either by a person who met you.
I asked the year oranmiyan is supposed to have entered Benin Kingdom in order to make you guys realize you are dealing with a fairytale. Oranmiyan never existed.

I corrected my earlier statement because I didn't notice you wrote "historical figure". I thought you were talking about a random person who existed long ago.

Also:

ghostwon:
Of course a lot of people existed with no written trace of them. They were not captured by history! That doesn't mean we should just start inventing people and claiming they did this and that, they came from this place and that place. And when you are asked for proof, you claim: well they were not captured by history. In that case anybody can just create a person who never existed and give the same argument as you.

I think you need me to repeat, and this time read with your head out of your ass:



Obviously, oranmiyan, oduduwa, igodomigodo, ogiso, and the likes were fairytales which were born in Nigeria's colonial era. Nothing was heard about them before the colonial era.

Also:

ghostwon:


You really lack the basics of logics.
Knowing that there is a first peron to hold a title which is held today is not the same as claiming some imaginary man named oranmiyan existed in a time yet to be determined and did stuff of which we magically have a great precion.
You definately failed logics.:

1)There was a first Oba of Benin since we have proof that there is an Oba of Benin as we speak.
2)Nobody knows when the first Oba of Benin lived since nobody in the region could write untill recently.
3)Nobody knows the name of the first Oba of Benin for the same reason as the above.
4)We know about the first Oba of Benin-history: the first one who was written about by a person who met him and whose text is available today.

I wonder why nigerians with almost no education like you always try to punch above their level and ofcourse always underestimate whomever they are talking to.
I know that there was a first man to swim, but I can't give you his name, his color, the year it took place or even where it took place, these informations are not available to mankind. I am not going to fill in the blanks by saying his name was oranmiyan and he came from ife... you get this ?
Being honest sometimes means you say: this information is not available to anybody.
Talking about the first Oba of Benin is just like talking about the first man to swim: this information is not available to mankind !



Fortunately for you, maths is kind of my thing. I wrote down a maths lesson for you. Free of charge:

ghostwon:

Actually, you don't know what a historical figure is: a historical figure is a person captured by history.

To be a historical figure, there must be a surviving text about you, written either by you either by a person who met you.

I asked the year oranmiyan is supposed to have entered Benin Kingdom in order to make you guys realize you are dealing with a fairytale. Oranmiyan never existed.

I corrected my earlier statement because I didn't notice you wrote "historical figure". I thought you were talking about a random person who existed long ago.

You keep making up definitions as you go.

You and which historian nailed the definition of a historical figure to be around writting text about him and so forth?

You should be a comedian.

TAO11:


You keep making up definitions as you go.

You and which historian nailed the definition of a historical figure to be around writting text about him and so forth?

You should be a comedian.

These are just common knowledge. When you did your entire education in a country in which history is a serious matter, well studied and taught with skepticism by real professionals, you get to know all of this. You obviously are not in this case.

Donaldoni:


Why are you revising history Benin was completely destroyed in 6 days with the Oba banished to Calabar... These are the facts... The British the appointed Obaseki to run the leftover of the city... Your link is most likely authored by a patriotic Bini fellow. Are you the author of the blog

How can you ever allude that Edos surpass Yorubas in any of the areas you mentioned Come on!

When did they start writing Bini language down like Yoruba and English

In fact, visit this thread to get refreshed - https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe

Did you click the link did you...No you didn’t
I for sure click your link and it was not impressing it was bunch of yorubas who had opened retailed shops that soon crumbled and those shops or companies as you think have no effect to a Nigerian lives

Like I always maintained if Edos were as populated as yorubas those companies will be world wide renowned

That link of yours was not impressive

If you had click my link of go through the pictures you will see foreign references all written on it , the name of the website looks even foreign

Go hide in shame

ghostwon:

It is funny that you will tell such a blatant lie and expect anybody to believe you.
Your ancestors had no written language.
Your statement therefor makes no sense.

You are just on a tribalistic quest. Telling lies and trying to decieve in order to defend Yoruba dogmas.

I see you are telling me that I claim oranmiyan never existed with no proof.
Well it is impossible to prove that a fictional character never existed, unless the fictional character has features which are not possible for human beings ( like oduduwa climbing down the sky with an iron chain). The burden of proof is on the person who claims someone existed.

"ghodiduwa was the first man to swim, he was from Lagos, he had three children, they discovered medicine and they spread their knowledge across the region."
I guess the burden of proof is upon the unbeliever ! If you don't believe my story then show proof ghodiduwa never existed !

Regarding an Obelisk in Ile-Ife bearing the name of Oranmiyan in Near Eastern characters:

I'm glad you're not too smart to play along and veil your ignorance about the subject until I will educate you on it.

Nay! Your bigotry took the better part of you and caused you to bare your ignorance on the subject to all and sundry.

I am terribly dissapointed that you're willing to discuss a subject which you just exposed yourself as having absolutely no knowledge on.

The quickest search on the internet could have saved you this embarrasment. You could have b
quickly educated yourself (and save yourself the embarrasment) on what archaeologists have made of the Oranmiyan Obelisk and the inscription on it.

ghostwon:


These are just common knowledge. When you did your entire education in a country in which history is a serious matter, well studied and taught with skepticism by real professionals, you get to know all of this. You obviously are not in this case.

You must think of yourself as very crafty.

Stop making up definitions as you go. No one knows you as anything.

Cite an expert who nailed the definition of a historical person as such.

Stop making stuffs up.

Moreover, an extant writting of Oranmiyan's name exist till date.

Educate yourself first!

Learn from your mistake.

TAO11:



Moreover, an extant writting of Oranmiyan's name exist till date.

And you still haven't managed to understand that given that your ancestors couldn't write, your monument is a fraud !

TAO11:



Cite an expert who nailed the definition of a historical person as such.

Go to the nearest real historian and submit the definition to him or her. And see if the person validates or not, because obviously you are too dumb to think for yourself.
All these are methods meant to stop fraudulent claims from being pushed as history. Of course the likes of you would not like this since your entire "Yoruba history" is a fraud, a lie. You need the rules to be more lose in order to admit your fairytales as history.

TAO11:


Regarding an Obelisk in Ile-Ife bearing the name of Oranmiyan in Near Eastern characters:

I'm glad you're not too smart to play along and veil your ignorance about the subject until I will educate you on it.

Nay! Your bigotry took the better part of you and caused you to bare your ignorance on the subject to all and sundry.

I am terribly dissapointed that you're willing to discuss a subject which you just exposed yourself as having absolutely no knowledge on.

The quickest search on the internet could have saved you this embarrasment. You could have b
quickly educated yourself (and save yourself the embarrasment) on what archaeologists have made of the Oranmiyan Obelisk and the inscription on it.

dude, your ancestors couldn't write !
Obviously if anything is written on the obelisk it is a fraud !
Also archeologists have better things to do than write about a nonsensical obviously fraudulent "obelisk" in ife.

ghostwon:

And you still haven't managed to understand that given that your ancestors couldn't write, your monument is a fraud !

You: What is the evidence that ancient Yorubas wrote (Oranmiyan's name)?

Me: Presents an ancient radio-carbondated evidence of writting showing Oranmiyan's name.

You: No Your ancestors couldn't write (even though I've secretly read up on the Oranmiyan's obelisk and found it to have been scientifically dated to ancient times).

Me:

TAO11:


You: What is the evidence that ancient Yorubas wrote (Oranmiyan's name)?

Stop putting words into my mouth, I didn't ask that question.
I would never ask that question because it is common knowledge that your ancestors couldn't write.
You live in a fantastic world since you keep claiming otherwise and putting words in my mouth.