spendoon:

Thats exactly the reason why Nigeria dumbed agriculture in the 60s but the age and era is gone and for a country that will have no other alternative than agric they will definitely work towards it.
The only problem the north has is its going to be landlocked but i believe with agreements the southwest will have no choice but to allow the north use their ports with alot of freedom, my reason is because if Nigeria splits Lagos will die Lagos is only what it is today because of Nigeria, how many countries in west uses Lagos port today most of the landlocked west african countries use the ports in Benin and co and i am very sure the east and south will use the one in port harcourt

You're talking about ports when you've not talked about people by m buying your agric products first. Truth is if you see agriculture as the only option for the north, then the doom is worse than imagined.

Concerning ports, the reason why Lagos ports is used only by Nigeria is because it is congested. If Nigeria breaks up, activities at the ports will reduce but definitely not die. Lagos itself is a mega market. So no such thing like freedom to use the port. Plus, check round you which landlocked country in Africa have you seen to be economically buoyant? Those giving you access to the sea will be the ones dictating your terms of trade.

StaffofOrayan:
Let me break it down for you,
The fulani emirs and elites lost Boko Haram when it signed up for and got hijacked by ISIS(Turkey,Saudi,Sudan,Chad,Niger etc) Herdsmen and Bandits of fulani extraction that could be 'controlled' had to be quickly assembled.
There is no way an Hausa man can usurp the powers of the Fulani's, they are the heads of 90% of all districts, I have an Hausa friend and we discuss this a lot.
If Nigeria splits, a civil war would break out in the North as the Fulanis tries to reassert their supremacy in the whole North AGAIN,

You remember how Kwankwaso the hausa celeb was routed by Ganduje the fulani? What was the first thing he did after winning his 2nd term? He started the fake fight with Sanusi and cemented Fulani supremacy in Kano by creating more Emirates, you have to pay attention to their little games.

Beware of Sanusi/Ribadu and co
They are the most dangerous of the vipers

The fulani can never dominate the hausa people the population margin is to wide

Agboriotejoye:

You're talking about ports when you've not talked about people by m buying your agric products first. Truth is if you see agriculture as the only option for the north, then the doom is worse than imagined.

Concerning ports, the reason why Lagos ports is used only by Nigeria is because it is congested. If Nigeria breaks up, activities at the ports will reduce but definitely not die. Lagos itself is a mega market. So no such thing like freedom to use the port. Plus, check round you which landlocked country in Africa have you seen to be economically buoyant? Those giving you access to the sea will be the ones dictating your terms of trade.

There must be a buyer what about countries that rely on palm kanel

Ojiofor:


It means without Nigeria and her petrol dollars which the North unfortunately controls, the poverty level in the North will become a global issue.

Tell me if the east will also survive without oil

Agboriotejoye:

You're talking about ports when you've not talked about people by m buying your agric products first. Truth is if you see agriculture as the only option for the north, then the doom is worse than imagined.

Concerning ports, the reason why Lagos ports is used only by Nigeria is because it is congested. If Nigeria breaks up, activities at the ports will reduce but definitely not die. Lagos itself is a mega market. So no such thing like freedom to use the port. Plus, check round you which landlocked country in Africa have you seen to be economically buoyant? Those giving you access to the sea will be the ones dictating your terms of trade.

On the bolded: Rwanda, Botswana and Ethiopia are all landlocked countries and are presently doing better socially and economically than countries like Nigeria and Somalia that have access to the sea!

Also, those giving you access to the sea can only dictate the terms of the association if they’re the only option! If a landlocked country is contiguous with more than one country with sea access, it then becomes the ‘beautiful bride’ that will be courted to do business with! Ethiopia had the option of choosing either Eritrea or Djibouti and chose the latter!

Wiseandtrue:

Don't mind OP!

No be only small, big time!!!


If they are dependent on agriculture, why is Buhari not minister of Agriculture but oyei

Why can't they leave politics and face agriculture then

Afterall, They have the population why close the borders in the South and open the ones in the North

How many northerners buy what they grow in quantities, the way they do here in the South

If the northerners buy what they grow, why are they leaving the North in troops to come sell in the South

They have been in power longer than any region put together, why didn't they improve the human resources

This goes to show that they are not good managers and if they cannot successfully implement all you have listed in Nigeria, mark my words, they cannot do it in the North!!!

North will be a disaster! Why Because, the elites in power are devilish and wicked who thinks of no one else but their families!!!

If they show an interest in an ordinary northerner, is to exploit them beyond redemption!!!

This one is currently facing charges now because of oil money! As far back as many years back, Abacha too was indicted! And OP is here telling us, something they don't practice. Mtcheeeeeew

They are coming to sell in the south because the south needs it and Nigeria relies on oil as a source or revenue if it wasent that way they will definitely be exporting it to countries in need which the south will be if Nigeria splits

spendoon:

There must be a buyer what about countries that rely on palm kanel

So why are we not exporting palm kernel? We have it in abundance not so? Europe for example have standards when it comes to agricultural produce. If your goods don't meet those standards, they're rejected at the ports. The question is are we ready to do the hard work required to meet those standards in comparison to the returns it brings?

spendoon:
I have heard alot of people especially the ipob saying when Nigeria disintegrate the north will suffer, but that's a pure lie because even during the first republic the north wasn't suffering inshort it was even the southeast the were suffering from the structure of the first republic, the average northerners don't benefit shit from Nigeria except the elites, with or without Nigeria life is still the same to the common northerners why?
Nigeria is currently the world poverty capital with most credit going to the north, so how has Nigeria helped the suffering northerners. If Nigeria spilts like every other region the north will progress because they will certainly control their population because they will no longer be competing for domince of power as some say they do, just like other regions they will only select competent leaders without thinking if his my tribe or religion, their leaders will have no choice but to improve the human resources of the region in order to catchup with other competing regions of former Nigeria, and of all if Nigeria splits they will certainly go back to agriculture which was what they were relying on in the first republic before the discovery of oil all they have to do is reach some agreement with the south west or south south to enable them use their ports.

When u say southeast, you should also say noth east ,,north north ,,( north central )or north west

sebali:
The North would suffer, as all the abokis crowding our streets down south for mania Jobs would be forced back to the North, thus doubling the poverty rate, which in turn would triple the crime rate that is already very high.
Also the Islamic fanatics would clamp down on the Christian, increasing the instability of the region.
Finally without free oil money, and poor social life in most northern state and almost Zero human capacity up north, most Elites would become commoners and the remaining Elites would have to run for their lives.

Are those one's you see in the south upto 5% of the northern population and fyi we are not talking about those who lost it but the upcoming generations

Agboriotejoye:

So why are we not exporting palm kernel? We have it in abundance not so? Europe for example have standards when it comes to agricultural produce. If your goods don't meet those standards, they're rejected at the ports. The question is are we ready to do the hard work required to meet those standards in comparison to the returns it brings?

We are not currently ready because we rely on oil but when the oil looses it value completely we will become serious, to be honest if oil finishes what do you think Nigeria will divert to not just north fah but Nigeria as a whole

ican2020:
Stop deceiving yourself, the north does not have the real skills to survive in this info age

How's that your concern? Face your own people and work to make your land prosperous.

sofiscatedmoron:

When u say southeast, you should also say noth east north north central or north west

Because the have more similarities unlike the ones down south

spendoon:

Thats exactly the reason why Nigeria dumbed agriculture in the 60s but the age and era is gone and for a country that will have no other alternative than agric they will definitely work towards it.
The only problem the north has is its going to be landlocked but i believe with agreements the southwest will have no choice but to allow the north use their ports with alot of freedom, my reason is because if Nigeria splits Lagos will die Lagos is only what it is today because of Nigeria, how many countries in west uses Lagos port today most of the landlocked west african countries use the ports in Benin and co and i am very sure the east and south will use the one in port harcourt

See what hatred has done to you, for your information Lagos doesn't depends on Nigeria for her prosperity, Lagos is geographically positioned to prosper, just look at the location of Lagos on the map of Africa.
Yeye dey smell, your people in the upper and lower chamber voted against greater autonomy for Lagos, and you're here yarning opata.
Tell your importers to take their containers to anywhere they like, they will still end up paying more to bring it to sell in Lagos, na Lagos the market dey.
Eko ni AJE wa, Aje Olokun, Lagos the land of prosperity.

spendoon:

Tell me if the east will also survive without oil

Don't open the can of worms yet, they think they will all become billionaire while other Nigerians become beggers.
What I love most about my people is that the moment Nigeria breaks up, the Bolton wanderers overstreching our facilities in the name of one Nigeria, shall be forced to leave and our boarder patrol shall be stronger than the one between America and Mexico.
You can't build your house and turn mine to a dump site.

I know north won't suffer, but is there something stopping the north from controlling there population right now?

XANDERBOY85:


On the bolded: Rwanda, Botswana and Ethiopia are all landlocked countries and are presently doing better socially and economically than countries like Nigeria and Somalia that have access to the sea!

Also, those giving you access to the sea can only dictate the terms of the association if they’re the only option! If a landlocked country is contiguous with more than one country with sea access, it then becomes the ‘beautiful bride’ that will be courted to do business with! Ethiopia had the option of choosing either Eritrea or Djibouti and chose the latter!

Botswana is heavily reliant on SA. So they are good example of what i'm saying.

Rwanda is an example of what you're saying though but majority of its population remain poor.

As for Ethiopia, it used to have access to the sea until Eritrea seceded in 1993. But even at that, it did not choose Djibouti. It had no choice in the matter. Eritrea was an enemy, Somalia highly unstable and not exactly friendly, Djibouti was the only option. So again, they are an example of what i'm still saying. Imagine if Ethiopia had access to the sea, just imagine what its economy will look like.

spendoon:

We are not currently ready because we rely on oil but when the oil looses it value completely we will become serious, to be honest if oil finishes what do you think Nigeria will divert to not just north fah but Nigeria as a whole

If oil finishes, Nigeria will look up to its leadership for direction. If the leadership is dull as we have now, we will be in serious trouble I tell you. One guy mentioned, Ethiopia, Botswana and Rwanda up there, those countries are enjoying very strong and visionary leadership which is basically what we've always lacked not that oil has been our problem really.

Coldie:
I know north won't suffer, but is there something stopping the north from controlling there population right now?

I think its because of political dominance but as someone who has been in the field they are.beginning to embrace family planning. Thank GOD

spendoon:

Because the have more similarities unlike the ones down south

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They have just like the ones south,, yout people like to divide others but like to stay united

Agboriotejoye:


If oil finishes, Nigeria will look up to its leadership for direction. If the leadership is dull as we have now, we will be in serious trouble I tell you. One guy mentioned, Ethiopia, Botswana and Rwanda up there, those countries are enjoying very strong and visionary leadership which is basically what we've always lacked not that oil has been our problem really.

This is why i said if Nigeria splits north will begin to choose leaders based on what they can offer not because his my tribe or religion

sofiscatedmoron:

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They have just like the ones south,, yout people like to divide others but like to stay united

The north can never divided south. The south has two of Nigerias major tribes how will they ever be United when both tribes are competing for supremacy, the Yorubas and hausas are more united than the igbos and Yorubas because the igbos show hate to other tribes

7lives:


See what hatred has done to you, for your information Lagos doesn't depends on Nigeria for her prosperity, Lagos is geographically positioned to prosper, just look at the location of Lagos on the map of Africa.
Yeye dey smell, your people in the upper and lower chamber voted against greater autonomy for Lagos, and you're here yarning opata.
Tell your importers to take their containers to anywhere they like, they will still end up paying more to bring it to sell in Lagos, na Lagos the market dey.
Eko ni AJE wa, Aje Olokun, Lagos the land of prosperity.

I am not hating, in fact Lagos makes me feel proud as a Nigerian but i am just telling you the fact which is when Nigeria splits Lagos will be no different from cotonu and accra because certainly the igbos will go back to using the ports in calabar and port harcourt the north will do same or use the one in Benin republic there will be alot of choice for them

spendoon:

The north can never divided south. The south has two of Nigerias major tribes how will they ever be United when both tribes are competing for supremacy, the Yorubas and hausas are more united than the igbos and Yorubas because the igbos show hate to other tribes

Fulani is not Hausa and there are many tribesyin the north and middle belt,, but u prefer to call them notth

spendoon:

This is why i said if Nigeria splits north will begin to choose leaders based on what they can offer not because his my tribe or religion

Really? You think north will allow a Christian become president or a Gwari for that matter? I don't think so. The idea of tribal and religious sentiments is the foundation of northern political hegemony. The minorities have always been seen as willing tools and pawns to be used to further the northern agenda whatever it is.

Truth is the north is not as hegemonic as you think it is. Look at Kaduna for example. Ordinary deputy gov has been denied the southern Kaduna Christians simply because El-Rufai does not like them. That said, if that were the case, why is the north not developing itself internally presently? What exactly is stopping it? Why is a northern leader like Buhari looking for oil instead of developing education and health facilities to cater for the citizens of the north while ignoring agriculture? Why can't Buhari use the enormous resources at his disposal to mechanize agriculture in the north?

sofiscatedmoron:

Fulani is not Hausa and there are many tribesyin the north and middle belt,, but u prefer to call them notth

The tribalism in the north is not as terrible as the one in the south

Agboriotejoye:


Really? You think north will allow a Christian become president or a Gwari for that matter? I don't think so. The idea of tribal and religious sentiments is the foundation of northern political hegemony. The minorities have always been seen as willing tools and pawns to be used to further the northern agenda whatever it is.

Truth is the north is not as hegemonic as you think it is. Look at Kaduna for example. Ordinary deputy gov has been denied the southern Kaduna Christians simply because El-Rufai does not like them. That said, if that were the case, why is the north not developing itself internally presently? What exactly is stopping it? Why is a northern leader like Buhari looking for oil instead of developing education and health facilities to cater for the citizens of the north while ignoring agriculture? Why can't Buhari use the enormous resources at his disposal to mechanize agriculture in the north?

Who says buhari isn't improving agriculture, and the north also has tribalism but they unite when they want to achieve i common goal so what makes you think they won't unite to make their country a better place.

spendoon:

Who says buhari isn't improving agriculture, and the north also has tribalism but they unite when they want to achieve i common goal so what makes you think they won't unite to make their country a better place.

How is Buhari improving agriculture? The north unite cause they have the us against them mentality in the context of Nigerian politics. Think about this: The southern Kaduna and northern kaduna do not see eye to eye. Same with major tribes in Adamawa, Taraba and Kogi. The Hausa-Fulani believe it's their God-given right to reign over the rest of the north at least according to Ahmadu Bello which is the cause of the so-called banditry we're facing now. Tell me which region the banditry is affecting the most.

spendoon:

The tribalism in the north is not as terrible as the one in the south

That is lie u people are so tribalistic,, check all the major position, u put only your kinsmen everywhere, while u, sideline other tribes,,

spendoon:

Tell me if the east will also survive without oil

Are we in control of our oil resources now?
To answer your question, we will survive.

spendoon:

But the truth is Nigeria won't split

keep dreaming...matter of time

spendoon:

The tribalism in the north is not as terrible as the one in the south

Which North? fulani have been using the military to suppress the minorities in the so-called north and they have been bleating like goats. Their opportunity to strike back is coming, sooner than u imagine.
TY Danjuma has cried to the US, EU etc. Kaduna South christians are always in constant rumble with its north brother. Beroms will always be ready to eat them again. By the time Ombatse will give u their phase 2 again, You all will be on a race to Funtua Jalon.

spendoon:

But the truth is Nigeria won't split

Hahaha, so you are hypertensive that Nigeria will split and you still came to open this kind of thread. Your cry never start sef... BTW be bold enough to say your tribe and not NORTH. Stop the attachee by force. There is NW, NE & NC.
All of them are presently in a bad shape, economically and otherwise.