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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nnamz(m): 3:30am On Feb 21, 2020
Just2endowed2:


Kindly send me a message or check my siggy to reach me on whatsapp/call
This is why Nigerians fail. She asked what your rate was

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 5:17am On Feb 21, 2020

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by just2endowed: 6:01am On Feb 21, 2020
Sholapey:
I also need dollars, what's your rate please?

It depends on daily rate. As at yesterday .... 360.5/dollar
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tunene66: 11:12am On Feb 21, 2020
Akin3891:
As seen on social media


The Nigerian money market has gone bunkers!

It's just crazy!

I called my account officer in GTB to enquire about deposit rates and he confirmed that GTB is offering 1% interest rates on all fixed term deposits up to 50m naira!
Meanwhile, same term deposit in a bank in Canada or US can get one at least 2.5%.

Nigerian Treasury bill (NTB) rates went down as low as 2.5%!

I checked on Stanbic-Ibtc circular this morning and long term instrument - FGN Bond rates in the secondary market is down to almost 6%.

I checked on the FGN bond primary auction results as at 19th february 2020 and the bid for the highest tenure bond is almost 600% higher than the allotted securities, which shows a lot of parties are scrambling to buy these securities with no success.
Which means many financial institutions have billions of Naira sitting idle!

Meanwhile Nigerian inflation rate as at this morning is 12.13%...

So if you have Naira sitting idle in a bank account or even in a fixed deposit, you are losing value as fast as Ben Johnson!

This is the outcome of the FGN borrowing trillions from the pension fund instead of borrowing from the public.

If this trend continues, there will be a lot of Naira chasing the USD...which means the likelihood of a market devaluation of the Naira is inevitable.

Folks with cash deposit depending on interest payouts for livelihood - just a few months ago - will be forced to dip into the principal to pay bills...in addition to suffering the devaluing effect of a 12.13% inflation.

The thrust of the FGN's tough monetary policy is clear - folks should use the money to build businesses and create employment...but the environment is a tough one to risk one's money building a business!

Yeah...It's a tough economic world in Naija today.

The storm is gathering o, make person take cover
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:39pm On Feb 21, 2020
I went to Fidelity, Standic banks and the offered 3% for 31days, 4% for 91, & 6.5 for 365 percent respectively. some of the banks are as low as 2.2.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:42pm On Feb 21, 2020
Fidelity and Standic offered 6.5 for 365 days, for me is better than allowing cash to lay fallow for nothing.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by fineguy11(m): 5:53pm On Feb 21, 2020
iamloyalty:
I went to Fidelity, Standic banks and the offered 3% for 31days, 4% for 91, & 6.5 for 365 percent respectively. some of the banks are as low as 2.2.
3%per annum or 3% of what you fix ?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by deleson: 9:58pm On Feb 21, 2020
Please share this your working strategy.


Akin3891:



Your post didn't clarify how a court can get my money for me should such deviant tenant disappears. And Yes, talking out of experience, a bad one at that. Had to wake early to attend court hearings, paid exorbitant legal fee, and the idiot packed out his properties unknown to me ,cos i don't live in the house, one of the tenants living there called me to come as this guy was busy destroying anything good in the house (WC, meter board, kitchen cabinets, wardrobe ) . Was lucky to meet him at the exact time the truck he brought was about to leave, then the blood shed was so gruesome ,my compound was stained with blood. Since that bloody incident, i chose not to approach a court for such case, I've adopted my strategies, and it's working.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by deleson: 10:16pm On Feb 21, 2020
If you’re interested in buying dollars, do contact me.

Physical transaction is possible in Lagos. Transfer to dom account is also possible.

Escrow/Arbitrator are welcomed.

Only serious and legit persons, please.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmasoft(m): 11:03pm On Feb 21, 2020
Nobody like to be cheated. Even with the smallest amount of money. If you are not investing currently You are simply cheating yourself!! It’s true rates are low but leaving your cash fallow without being engaged in any form of investment is worse. Remember FEAR and GREED none of them has good outcome at the long run. Check my contacts/signature for good investment strategy at this season.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by billtommy(m): 11:43pm On Feb 21, 2020
deleson:
If you’re interested in buying dollars, do contact me.

Physical transaction is possible in Lagos. Transfer to dom account is also possible.

Escrow/Arbitrator are welcomed.

Only serious and legit persons, please.

Rate?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Donbrig: 11:35am On Feb 22, 2020
@fineguy11, I shall be opening an account with LAPO in their head office in March/April. I intend to transfer about 50m into that account, pls apart from fixed deposit, what other investment options are open for customers? I am not in Nigeria at the moment, but I should be in Benin by next month.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ojesymsym: 1:52pm On Feb 22, 2020
50million into a microfinance bank? I'd have said that's to much to put there.

Donbrig:
@fineguy11, I shall be opening an account with LAPO in their head office in March/April. I intend to transfer about 50m into that account, pls apart from fixed deposit, what other investment options are open for customers? I am not in Nigeria at the moment, but I should be in Benin by next month.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by kristien4(m): 2:34pm On Feb 22, 2020
ojesymsym:
50million into a microfinance bank? I'd have said that's to much to put there.

Why did you say so? And what amount would you suggest is okay?. Please respond.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by zamirikpo(m): 5:29pm On Feb 22, 2020
I don't know much about lapo and co. , but what ive tried to do, is to follow the pathways of a few renowned investors on this platform

those who have been here with me since 2010, and are still kicking.


6.5% is better than zero naira.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by kisszhira(m): 6:08pm On Feb 22, 2020
zamirikpo:
I don't know much about lapo and co. , but what ive tried to do, is to follow the pathways of a few renowned investors on this platform

those who have been here with me since 2010, and are still kicking.


6.5% is better than zero naira.

Which bank did you use to buy. FBN isn't even going through at that rate. Their bid keep failing.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by fineguy11(m): 6:30pm On Feb 22, 2020
Donbrig:
@fineguy11, I shall be opening an account with LAPO in their head office in March/April. I intend to transfer about 50m into that account, pls apart from fixed deposit, what other investment options are open for customers? I am not in Nigeria at the moment, but I should be in Benin by next month.
There is the 6billion naira 2nd series bond we plan to issue via our subsidiary in the capital market but I have little info about that for now.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by richforever123: 6:36pm On Feb 22, 2020
kristien4:
Why did you say so? And what amount would you suggest is okay?. Please respond.

In my opinion, I would advise you look at their asset class, if Lapo gives out loans then they are medium risk and Fifty million will be too much to invest in the them, if they have an Asset Management Company managing their funds in Low-risk mutual fund, then I will say they are low risk and you can put fifty million there, I also know that they have been in operation for a long time, so that is a plus,

There is a current surge in digital banks that have patnerships with Bank and Asset Management Companies and they give 10% per annum payable and compounded monthly, you can do your due diligence and give them a try

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Donbrig: 7:46pm On Feb 22, 2020
Thank you sir, I have some details about them already. I hope I can negotiate rates with them if I choose Term depost savings?
fineguy11:
There is the 6billion naira 2nd series bond we plan to issue via our subsidiary in the capital market but I have little info about that for now.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by fineguy11(m): 8:25pm On Feb 22, 2020
Donbrig:
Thank you sir, I have some details about them already. I hope I can negotiate rates with them if I choose Term depost savings?
There is room for negotiations though it depends on the sum you intend to invest with.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ojesymsym: 9:04pm On Feb 22, 2020
Lapo has been around for a while and I believe they have a good reputation but I will not be bold enough to put 50m into a microfinance bank because that is still what it is.
I have seen your other comments and I think I have an idea of the challenge of your fbn transactions failing. My personal suggestions will be to spread the money across many banks, maybe in 10m, smaller units tend to have higher chances of success. Another approach is to use the same bank but use small units for each window, that will involve more work both in terms of management and tracking, but desperate times calls for desperate measures.
As for lapo, if I had 50m, I wouldn't do more than 5m. That's my personal risk appetite which could in all fairness be different from yours.
kristien4:
Why did you say so? And what amount would you suggest is okay?. Please respond.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 10:06pm On Feb 22, 2020
zamirikpo:
I don't know much about lapo and co. , but what ive tried to do, is to follow the pathways of a few renowned investors on this platform

those who have been here with me since 2010, and are still kicking.


6.5% is better than zero naira.
i was permanently doing fixed deposits at 6 percent with banks in 2008 , in 2015 i did 5 on treasury bills we are used to poor rates and good rate cycle ...if i put 50m in micro finance bank i go get heart attack....my friend own a micro finance bank around surulere i know how poorly manage and weak finance the bank is ...

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by fineguy11(m): 6:00am On Feb 23, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
i was permanently doing fixed deposits at 6 percent with banks in 2008 , in 2015 i did 5 on treasury bills we are used to poor rates and good rate cycle ...if i put 50m in micro finance bank i go get heart attack....my friend own a micro finance bank around surulere i know how poorly manage and weak finance the bank is ...
SOME Deposit money banks failed CBN stress test last year but that doesn't mean all banks are at risks!. Just like DMB's, we have different categories of Mfb's..That your friend has a poor risk management system in his bank doesn't mean all Mfb's are poorly managed! When it comes to risk management in the micro finance space, Lapo leads the park. We are 4x more capitalized (19billion) than the regulatory threshold of (5billion) all thanks to steady increase in profitability of the bank. As at the end of third quarter 2019, we were sitting on 5billion naira profit before tax. When last year's report is out, I will be willing to provide the full report or share links to the report. But if you have other reasons why people shouldn't invest in a top tier Mfb please do share,we are all learning.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Donbrig: 12:59pm On Feb 23, 2020
You have all spoken well. I believe we are underestimating some good microfinance banks in Nigeria. The way many of these traditional banks or deposit money banks are now making shakara for customers, it is only a matter of time before mfb will take over most of their big customers. I can't just understand why a bank would lend out depositors money to investors for a rate of over 20% and give depositors a mere 2% for their money. I am beginning to detest every act of their greedy activities in Nigeria. They are so happy tbill rates are down and doesn't even want it to go up again. The way things are going, I seriously doubt if tbill rates will go up in the next 2yrs, certainly not when investors are still oversubscribing, in spite of the low rates.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:10pm On Feb 23, 2020
Donbrig:
@fineguy11, I shall be opening an account with LAPO in their head office in March/April. I intend to transfer about 50m into that account, pls apart from fixed deposit, what other investment options are open for customers? I am not in Nigeria at the moment, but I should be in Benin by next month.


I hope the N50 million is just 20% of your capital?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:14pm On Feb 23, 2020
kristien4:
Why did you say so? And what amount would you suggest is okay?. Please respond.

I will rather use percentage of your fund and not an exact figure.

If you have N1 billion, you can try maximum of N100 million in a microfinance bank, if your total fund is N5 million you can try N1 million with a microfinance bank, although I won't no matter how tempting the rates are.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:16pm On Feb 23, 2020
fineguy11:
There is the 6billion naira 2nd series bond we plan to issue via our subsidiary in the capital market but I have little info about that for now.

I will rather invest in the bond rather than do a fixed deposit of N50 million in the microfinance bank. The fund Invested in the bond is secured and guaranteed by SEC
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by fineguy11(m): 2:20pm On Feb 23, 2020
emmanuelewumi:



I hope the N50 million is just 20% of your capital?
Our capital currently sits @ 19billion +.shareholders fund is 3.5billion.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:38pm On Feb 23, 2020
fineguy11:
Our capital currently sits @ 19billion +.shareholders fund is 3.5billion.

The question was not directed at you, but to the person who wanted to put N50 million in a microfinance bank.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:42pm On Feb 23, 2020
fineguy11:
Our capital currently sits @ 19billion +.shareholders fund is 3.5billion.


Defunct Oceanic Bank, Intercontinental bank, Bank PHB and others had far more than that before they went under

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