Those ten are not fools, they did the right thing. Any body without a PhD should be an associate lecturer

RisenPhoenix:
Some policies are poorly thought out. Let the NUC find consultants with Phds to teach in all the Federal, State and Private Medical Institutions in Nigeria. They will be lucky if they can find up to 10 consultants with Phds in the whole of Nigeria.

If this policy is not overturned, I predict that no medical student will graduate in Nigeria in the next 10 years, and no current resident will become a consultant.

Sholaco:
Ok. Hope pharmacy go open

Sure, they will.

Very soon nigeria won't even have doctors again

Get a PhD #simple logic

danilmo:


Ure not logical enough bro.

OK, now that they choose not to have, sack them and go and employ those uv seen with PhD . this johesu boy self..hope ure aware not only consultant are on strike, their resident(student) are also literarily on strike too..

homesteady:


Your mouth is just running like tap on this thread..

If they eventually resign, is it you that will come and lecture the medical students?

Please ignore him. Funny fella. Man is clearly obsessed with doctors. Can you really blame him? Perhaps he had wanted to be one but it didn't work out. Let him have his fun. Maybe this way, he gets to have a glimpse of what it means to be a doctor. Poor chap

This is not just fair... Telling medical students to pay 5 million naira for their practice licence all because they are going out of the country... This country is a lost course. And i also pray Buhari meet his doom

Correcto:
Those ten are not fools, they did the right thing. Any body without a PhD should be an associate lecturer

What actually makes someone to become a Professor?

Some people making comments here are just being sentimental. Go online and check what is being done in other parts of the world. What you need to teach medical students is a fellowship (i.e.Residencg training), not PhD. That's the global standard. PhD is useful if you are in the research line... But not for clinical practice. Medical students/Residents are not being trained to be researchers.. They're being trained to be doctors/specialists.

There's nothing wrong in having a PhD. A good number of consultants have it... But it's not a requirement to teach in medicine. It's never been.


By the way, Residency training beats PhD in any aspect you can think of. Even the research they're talking about sef..... I know the kind of researches residents undertake during their training... They are at par with what obtains in PhD programme. I dare say some are better because they translate directly to improvement in clinical practice and patient care; they find practical application. This can't be said of most PhD researches in Nigeria.

For the haters... Whose hatred for doctors is palpable... We know the story of most of you. I won't aggravate your pain. Sorry ehn........ Sale of JAMB form starts December

Gnaeusmagnus:
Hmmm

The issue is whether the amount of research done to be a Fellow (that's medicalese for becoming a consultant) is equal to the type of research needed to have a PhD.

To become a consultant doctor in Nigeria, in addition to passing exams, one must write and defend a dissertation/research project and must pass an oral examination on the dissertation similar to what PhD and master's students do.

The problem with the directive that consultant should get PhD is that most don't have a PhD so this might have impact on the number of lecturers available to train medical students.

In short, the argument is is PhD similar to FWACP, FWACS, FMC?

Another matter is that are our medical colleges equipped enough to support the award of PhD/PhD programs in our universities? Is there enough funding for research projects for medical PhDs?

There is also the issue of University politics, I won't say more!

It's all about politics. Residency programme is more knowledge-driven than the Ph.D programme. Consultants have more more knowledge even in research than the so-called Ph.D holders.

Gnaeusmagnus:


That's the problem.

While I think the idea that doctors who want to lecture should get PhD is not a bad idea,(I think it would promote research in our medical colleges) the road to hell is often paved with good intentions

The fact that most consultants don't have PhDs is the issue.

they even do quality researches now that are better than the ones done by Ph.D holders.

Correcto:
After becoming a consultant why not remain in the hospital? Must you teach in the University? Get a PhD if you must teach. It is the a requirement in the academic sector and not health

And who will teach them since they all passed through residency programme? Even in America and Britain, Ph.D isn't compulsory for lecturers of clinical medicine and dentistry even though some of them have it. The main requirement there is to be a fellow (specialist). You only become board-certified. I've not seen the giant strides the Ph.D holders have ever made. In fact, those consultants are better in research than the so-called Ph.D holders. It's all about politics.

GabrielKenneth:

Exactly, most will drop lecturing because it is actually not lucrative for them at all. Funny enough no one can teach a medical student at clinical level except a Doctor, a consultant at that . So if the down tools who do you replace them with to teach medical students

That's why I said that policy makers in this country are senseless. It's the students who will suffer. Besides, Ph.D isn't compulsory for clinical lecturers in America and Britain, except lecturers of basic medical sciences. In America, you need to be board-certified and that is through residency. The same is applicable in Britain.

Gnaeusmagnus:


1. Nigeria is not an industrial country, meaning there are no industries available to apply the products of research of our universities,other tertiary and research institutions.

2. Conversely, no industries means no funding for research. In many foreign countries , it is often times industries who find the money to fund research especially in STEM courses

3.Aborad, many people do the rigors of residency and also do PhDs. (In the US, one can spend 6 years in medical school on a combined MD/PhD program. In the UK, students can take time off between their preclinical and clinical years and do a master's, plus many medical students develop research interests which they parlay into PhDs later on).
In Nigeria, because of funding and other issues affecting our education system, and the fact that our medical education system is designed IMHO to churn out doctors quickly because doctors are relatively scarce here, such things don't happen

It's not every resident doctor that does the combined MD/Ph.D programme, yet they all attain professorship by being consultants. Search very well and you'll discover that most clinical lecturers there don't have Ph.D.

Clementoke:


Bros, You forgot to add that the requirement for being a Clinical lecturer is greater.
Only a Consultant who have spent 6-7 years in postgraduate training (that individual must have previously spent 7 years in medical school as an undergraduate) can teach Clinical students.

Now, NUC want to add 2-3 years again after 14 years. Na how many years remain to do the actual teaching before they die?

and that's wickedness! Ph.D holders spent lesser years in training, yet they want medical doctors and dentists who are consultants to spend many outrageous years in training. What then are the benefits after all those years? This is political!

Nigerian Dr's and their wahala.

hagiosfemi:
How is it done in the USA? Do attending double as lecturers in med school? Someone pls educate me

Yes. However, it's not all the attending physicians just like it's not all the consultants here are lecturers. In fact, we adopted the same system. Besides, who'll teach clinical students if not consultants?

trilobite:


In those countries you mentioned, there is an emphasis on research with or without a PhD.

Nigerian consultants have never felt the need to research, they all feel work experience quantifies as research.

The NUC is trying to nip this thinking in the bud by insisting on research experience via the PhD route.
Only place the NUC goofed is insisting on using only the PhD, they could just insist on qualified teachers having specified number of top research publications before being qualified as teachers

Research done by medical doctors alone dwarfs all other specialists in Nigerian academic sphere.
4icu and webometrics has all the stats bared open.

Well. ......

Get a PhD!!!! You will only extra information in the area that favours you.

Mandeyy:
And who will teach them since they all passed through residency programme? Even in America and Britain, Ph.D isn't compulsory for lecturers of clinical medicine and dentistry even though some of them have it. The main requirement there is to be a fellow (specialist). You only become board-certified. I've not seen the giant strides the Ph.D holders have ever made. In fact, those consultants are better in research than the so-called Ph.D holders. It's all about politics.

Google it

homesteady:

What actually makes someone to become a Professor?

psamuell01:
This is not just fair... Telling medical students to pay 5 million naira for their practice licence all because they are going out of the country... This country is a lost course. And i also pray Buhari meet his doom

If that is being planned it is a step in the right direction.

Doctors are trained at great cost to the country. If they want to leave they should payback.
In the US their colleagues graduate with tens of thousands of dollars debt which they take years to repay. The Nigerian doctors who go there arrive without s similar debt burden and so are financially ahead of their US counterparts from day one,very unfair.

Also unfair to the Nigerian system. This is not just doctors though but all graduates.

My view is every Nigerian university graduate should have a bill attached to their name and they start paying as soon as they are earning wherever they are in the world

TheArchangel:
What they should be advocating for is a residency-PhD pathway. Or MBBS-PHD pathway for those interested in lecturing.
It may seem hard now but a time will come when they would wish otherwise.

MBBS and BDS graduates teaching basic medicine undergo a Ph.D programme. But it shouldn't be compulsory for clinical lecturers even though it's also good. Infusing it into residency will be good, but it shouldn't be made a prerequisite for attaining professorship in clinical medicine and dentistry. Even in America and Britain, it's not compulsory although some have it because it's desirable. Some go through only residency programme while some programmes combined it i.e. MD/Ph.D programme.

d33types:






Stop saying what you don't know.
. The fellowship programme which spans 5 to 10yrs is the only requirement worldwide to become a professor in medicine

You are the one saying what you do not know.
Also you are mixing things up.

Teaching medical students and becoming a Professor of medicine are very different things

Fellowships is not sufficient to become a Professor your claim is wrong.
That is not even the case in Nigeria and never has been.
Professors are required to obtain a doctorate either Phd or MD as well as fulfilling research/publication requirements.
Those with Fellowships who teach clinical students are not even employees of the University in most cases and are not on a pathway to becoming a Professor

0m0nnakoda:

You are the one saying what you do not know.
Also you are mixing things up.

Teaching medical students and becoming a Professor of medicine are very different things

Fellowships is not sufficient to become a Professor your claim is wrong.
That is not even the case in Nigeria and never has been.
Professors are required to obtain a doctorate either Phd or MD as well as fulfilling research/publication requirements.
Those with Fellowships who teach clinical students are not even employees of the University in most cases and are not on a pathway to becoming a Professor

Here you go

d33types:

Here you go

Please if you have something to say say it

You have not addressed the issues and I wonder whether you have comprehension difficulties.

What has your cut and paste got to do with what I wrote.

I said Fellowships are NOT ENOUGH to become a Professor
Is a Professor the same as a Lecturer?

d33types:

Here you go

What you posted indicates

"LECTURER"

This is what you said earlier

d33types:





The fellowship programme which spans 5 to 10yrs is the only requirement worldwide to become a professor in medicine

Is Lecturer the same as Professor ?


Fellowships are enough to become a Lecturer but to progress and become a Professor you need more

SciLab:


You can actually start as a young assistant lecturer with even an M.Sc but ultimately you must get your PhD that is what NUC is saying and that is what is obtainable in other advanced climes where we all like to run.

MD, LL.D, PharmD, DMLS, O.D, DPT are all professional doctorates in their rights. They cannot suffix in any academic setting as replacement for PhD, it is an anomaly and you all know this.

Before now, you have over the years threatened Nigerians with strikes in order to armtwist them to get what you want, you now believe you can wake up one day and declare that M.B.B.S is greater than M.Sc and your fellowship certificates are greater than PhD, that's laughable and nonsensical.

I don't know of any professor or assistant professor of Medicine/Medical science without a PhD in the US. All their textbooks and publications are usually people with a PhD or a MD, PhD. We all know these things.

Even ASUU is not buying your crap. FG, ASUU and NUC should collaborate and sack the MDCAN members if they go on strike, they are even overfed. Declare their posts vacant and fill it with other physicians who are ready to work.

Gov. Fashola sacked them in 2012 in Lagos and put up an advert for vacancy, the next day Health service commision off Broad street was filled with unemployed and underemployed physicians ready to replace them, heavens didn't fall.

Have you seen Professors in Medicine in the US without PhD now?

MD in the USA is the same as MBBS in Nigeria,UK

MD in the UK ,Nigeria is a doctorate degree equal or higher to Phds

peacettw:
I totally support this move. The residency training alone should suffice for multiple PhDs

You no well.

Go and do a PhD and come back and talk.

There is a reason why most of the advances in medical science came from people with specialised PhDs and not medical doctors.

Medical biochemistry alone have contributed more to the advancement of medical science than medical doctors.
And that is just one.

CSTR2:



There is a reason why most of the advances in medical science came from people with specialised PhDs and not medical doctors.
.

What evidence do you have for this?
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0m0nnakoda:


What evidence do you have for this?
"?

Go and check the winners of Nobel Prizes in the medical sciences and their fields.

CSTR2:

Go and check the winners of Nobel Prizes in the medical sciences and their fields.

Rubbish