blueAgent:
What is rewarded at death?
To rephrase the question what really goes to Heaven or Hell,  is it the body,Soul, Spirit or all of  the above mentioned?

Only few Christains know and understand  the answer to this very delicate and  puzzling question.  The true answer to this question can be found only in the Bible.
Most of the confusion over this issue is as a result of people not understanding what a Bible refers to as a Soul or Spirit.
In the Bible a spirit can refer or mean 3 different things.
*A living being:God is a spirit, Angels,Demons & Satan are
spirits Heb12:9,Heb 1:7, Leviticus 20:27

*It can also be used to refer to the breath of life in Man or
animals. James 2:26,Job 33:4,Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto
God who gave it.

*It can also be used to refer to a persons will, capacity,
countenance,reasoning, mind,intellect,zeal,thoughts,visions or dreams.Gen6:3,Genesis 41:8, Exdous 31:3,Exdous 35:31.
Isaiah 40:13 ...'Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or
being his counsellor has taught him?'
Romans 11:34 ...'For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or
who has been his counsellor?'

Also the Soul in the Bible refers to 3 different things.

* A living person or animal.genesis12:15,genesis 46:18

* Life force or life of a person
Genesis 35:18

* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts.
songs of Solomon 1:7,3:1, Isaiah 26:8&9.

At death the spirit goes back to God who gave it  while the  body turns back to dust.

All through the Bible no where is the Soul or Spirit  described as an independent element that can exist on it's own without the body and neither does the Soul or Spirit has Immortality.

Man is nothing more but clay or dust powered by the spirit of God. Life is what makes us a Soul.

Now we have understood what a spirit or soul is we will now look at what the Bible says is rewarded at death.

Evidence of what goes to Heaven or Hell.

*Ressurection:Paul taught the early Christains that the only hope of reward for those who died in Christ is the ressurection.
This raises a valid argument if the  just can only rewarded by their ressurection from the Dead which means neither their spirit or soul is rewarded at death as wrongly taught.Paul also gave more insight on this issue by explaining that when Christ will come the Dead in Christ will be raised with their corruptible  mortal bodies transformed  to immortal  bodies and  then they will be taken to Heaven. Job 14:12-15
1Cor15:51-53, 1thess4:15-end.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

The unjust will also be ressurected  but will not experience any changes in their body or nature they will still be raised with the corruptible body which they had before they died they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire which the Bible calls the second death.
Revelation  2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.   Revelation  20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

*Lazarus and his ressurection: when Jesus arrived at the house of his dead friend Lazarus we are told that a conversation ensued between Jesus and Mary who acknowledged that her brother was going to be ressurected on the last day. this implies that Mary understood that it was her brother's ressurected body that will  be rewarded by God and not his soul or spirit.
John  11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

* Torment in Hell: Jesus taught  the people that in Hell their will be great torment pain and gnashing  of teeth this implies that the unjust body is what goes to Hell as Jesus also informed us that  spirits don't have flesh and bones or teeth. Matthew 25:30, Luke 24:39.

*Death and ressurection of Jesus:
It was Jesus's transformed body that ascended to Heaven and not his spirit or soul. Acts 1:9-11.
Note also that  Jesus told Mary not to touch him for he had not ascended to Heaven. (he did not go to Heaven until 40days after his ressurection)this implies that Jesus soul or spirit did not go to Heaven or Hell as wrongly taught in Churches but  he was at rest in the grave as all the Dead are till the end of the 3 days. John20:17,Luke 19:9.

*Body(Eyes and hands)in Hell:
Jesus taught the people that it was better for one to go to Heaven without hands or eyes than to be cast to Hell with both hands or eyes, this gives evidence to the fact that the body is what is punished in Hell and not the Spirit or soul, Matthew 18:19

*Transfiguration:The transfiguration  of Jesus on Mount  Olives  is given to us as an example of how the mortal bodies of those who are in Christ will be transformed before they are taken to Heaven.
Matthew 17:2, Mark 16:9

* Soul and body in Hell.
Jesus taught his disciples and the people that  God will punish/destory the body and soul (life/breathe) of the wicked in Hell.
Matthew 17:2, Mark9.

*The words of David, Isaiah, Daniel and Job:
There is no doubt that this great men where inspired by God to write that the body of the just and unjust is what is rewarded after judgement. Job14:14,Daniel 12:12, Isaiah 26:19,John 11:11,Plasms 17:15 and plasms112:10
Job  21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to the day of wrath.

*Parables of tares and Wheat:
The parable of tares and Wheat  teaches us that the body of the unjust(tares) would be cast into fire.
Matthew  13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

*Body of Moses.
When Moses died the Bible tells us that Satan came to claim the body of Moses but he was resisted by an Angel of God.
Jude 1:9
Secondly it was not the Spirit of Moses and Elijah that appeared before Jesus, but it was  the ressurected body of Moses, and Elijah who did not experience death that appeared to Jesus. Luke 20:37,Matthew 17:2.

*Paul's words and teachings.

1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


In Conclusion.
The word of God is clear on this subject, it is the physical body of people, changed for the just and unchanged for the unjust  that is rewarded after judgement and not some imaginery spirit or soul.

Thank you.

Maximus69:


Yes it will sound like FALSE to you since you don't know it! But you're not answering this questions!

©Our righteousness is as filthy rags before God, so what does the Bible means by the righteous?

©He who died has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 What's the meaning of this?

©John 3:16 said only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life, so how can some gain the same thing without believing in Jesus?

©If God declared people who lived by conscience as "RIGHTEOUS" then what's the need for Jesus' teachings?

© Jesus referred to living souls during his time as "DEAD", does that means none of his contemporaries lived by conscience at all?

©If they live by conscience and that's enough to declare them righteous, what further need is Jesus' teachings?

MuttleyLaff:
I am not amazed that your mumu is on exceptional levels, lol, which is why you keep yourself busy being a tool, proselytizing into the mumu movement, lol



Listen to that cliché, lol. Oya, give your answers nah:
1/ How exactly are you created in the image and likeness of God?
2/ What does it mean, created in the image and likeness of God?
3/ When were/are you created in the image of God, lol?
4/ When were/are you created in the likeness of God, lol?
5/ What are you now? Are you currently the image of God, or currently the likeness of God or you are currently both the image and likeness of God, lol, hmm?

blueAgent:



How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?

sonmvayina:
I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..

Image123:


Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?

Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...

sonmvayina:

Because I was created in the image and likeness of God..

Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags!

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven!

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22

Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags!

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven!

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22

sonmvayina:


I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..

blueAgent:




There is no probation after death.


Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

blueAgent:



That not true..

Imagine the Bible says that the righteous will be scarcely delivered how much more the unrighteous.

You can see their is no probation.



◄ 1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

PlayerMeji:
That's the ANSWER to your question, bro.

The SPIRIT goes to Heaven

Kallmerb:


Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 KJV
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. [19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. [20] All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. [21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



The body journeys end on earth and return to the dust it came from....

The main function of the body is to house the spirit... The body doesnt transit with the spirit to the heavenly realm

PlayerMeji:
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it


EOD?

blueAgent:


The word spirit here you quoted means breathe or life force.

If the spirit is what goes to Heaven or Hell why do we have a resurrection?

Jesus was bodily resurrected before taken to Heaven, why?

blueAgent:


Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.

blueAgent:


This is the dumbmest. answer I have ever heard.

Image123:


Again, who cares? Are you saved or going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies and routes of soul and spirit? The thief on the Cross knew BARELY nothing about correctest theology compared to Demas or Ananias and Sapphira. People should dwell more on important issues like how to be with God now and eternally, than academic exercises on the itinerary of souls and spirits.

blueAgent:


Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.

sonmvayina:


Well, this defines me..

Peacefullove:


He go still argue, tell am say going by his words, it means everyone either good or wicked will go to heaven, or does Eccl 12:7 differentiate Good from bad spirit ? Isn't that enough for a reasonable person to know spirit there is breath ?

sonmvayina:

Why do you think so,?

TATIME:


Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15

Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...

Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...

TATIME:


This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God?

Image123:


Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?

TATIME:


This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God?

orisa37:
All of us are made of FOUR LIVING CREATURES OF GOD. THEY'RE FOUR SPIRITS AND ALL HAVE ETERNAL DAMNATION OR LIFE AS THE LORD PLEASES.