Narrated By Anas bin Malik
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before."
So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.
'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al- Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)" -Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

bigass123:
Source of this please
If there's no source then keep quiet �

ibsaq:
you know that you are wrong but. you when up and write it have a look at what you wrote on paragraph 4 from your statement you said he keeps one and bunt the others this implies he did not write it but only accept one full dialect.

ibsaq:
you know that you are wrong but. you when up and write it have a look at what you wrote on paragraph 4 from your statement you said he keeps one and bunt the others this implies he did not write it but only accept one full dialect.

I've highlighted where it is stated in the authentic Hadiths that instructions was given for the Quran to be re-written in perfect copies and how the original manuscript were ordered to be burnt after Zaid was done with the editing.

Your authentic Hadiths attest that the Quran was re-written and you're here trying to do damage control

AntiChristian:
Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

OP started here with his half truth:
Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

advocatejare:

Your authentic Hadiths attest that the Quran was re-written and you're here trying to do damage control [/b]

advocatejare:

"Narrated By Anas bin Malik
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before."
So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.
'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al- Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)" -Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

I've highlighted where it is stated in the authentic Hadiths that instructions was given for the Quran to be re-written in perfect copies and how the original manuscript were ordered to be burnt after Zaid was done with the editing.
But you're here trying to do damage control and confuse neophytes in your religion. You're even ashamed of referencing your source, you didn't want people to know that it was documented in Sahih Bukhari, if not so why didn't you quote from Bukhari but rather chose to quote from an unreferenced source?

AntiChristian:


Where did Hafsah got the manuscripts she gave to Uthman?

ibsaq:

you see what I am trying to get you to the right path.the hadith are indeed but I can't figure out where in the hadith that I ndicate that the word (kataba) means re-write find a dictionary and search for the meaning it means that 1. modification 2. to write again without modification. and from the context clearly You know that it has been used as second meaning three people (trusties)were assigned to the task and you are saying one modify how is this possible. even if the other two knows about it and keep quiet island is an open religion they will have mentioned it to USMAN . but this didn't happen until almost 300 year the shoot claim and you are say it now



understand the context first before criticizing

advocatejare:
You should tell us na, tell us if it was Muhammad that compiled it and gave it to Hafsah or if it was compiled after the death of Muhammad who was not alive to verify what was compiled, tell us why the manuscript with Hafsah was ordered to be re-written and the original one burnt. Tell us

AntiChristian:


You mean I should give you that long post again?

How many "Fs" did you have in school?

Was Jesus, Moses, etc around to verify your Books?

List the names of the compilers and copyists of the Bible from the period of Moses to that of Paul?

Now run away or divert the question as usual?

advocatejare:
You were the one that asked a question about Hafsah and I asked you to answer yourself. Don't divert our discussion.

Christians never claimed that God descended our books from heaven, we know that it was written by Men through the inspiration from God.

it is you Muslims that lay claim to such but we have exposed your lies and shown you that your Quran was actually written by Zaid.

It is you Muslims that claim that no word of the Quran has been changed but we have exposed your lies that Zaid changed the Quran and burnt the original manuscript

You lie that the Quran is pure words of Allah with no human inputs, we have exposed your lies that Quran is the handiwork of Zaid supervised by Uthman

And to your Question about if Moses was alive to verify his books, go and ask Muhammad that plagiarized the books of Moses and direct your Question to Allah who said he gave the book to Moses

AntiChristian:


Good divertion tactics!

I don't tell lies! You are obviously the notorious liar here! Even same Christians following this thread are withnesses!

Who compiled the Bible from the period of Moses to that of Paul?

advocatejare:

You're only playing with words and trying to confuse the neophytes who don't know their right from their left.

ibsaq:

from what you have already stated above that's there are different dialect you know what dialect means one language but some time a word may have different meaning to the other dialect hence they choose one dialect that comprise all the other in to one and to only one book. in order to avoid future compassion you know that language are dying all so dialects. they noticed this and they don't want use to have some that we can't understand it's actual meaning due to the dying of the dialect. So the bring a one point to unit us.

"Narrated By 'Umar bin Al-Khattab
I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Sura which I heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me." I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours." So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said (to Allah's Apostle):

"I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!" On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him, (O 'Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way," and added, "Recite, O 'Umar!" I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)." Sahih 6:61:514

advocatejare:
You were the one that asked a question about Hafsah and I asked you to answer yourself. Don't divert our discussion.

Christians never claimed that God descended our books from heaven, we know that it was written by Men through the inspiration from God.

it is you Muslims that lay claim to such but we have exposed your lies and shown you that your Quran was actually written by Zaid.

It is you Muslims that claim that no word of the Quran has been changed but we have exposed your lies that Zaid changed the Quran and burnt the original manuscript

You lie that the Quran is pure words of Allah with no human inputs, we have exposed your lies that Quran is the handiwork of Zaid supervised by Uthman

And to your Question about if Moses was alive to verify his books, go and ask Muhammad that plagiarized the books of Moses and direct your Question to Allah who said he gave the book to Moses

Kaytixy:
this guy na real mumu. Ok tell us what it used to be and what Zaid changed it to.

advocatejare:

The more you try to do damage control, the more expose yourself

advocatejare:

Muhammad said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects and people recited the Quran in different dialects while Muhammad was alive he didn't rebuke them, he didn't standardize it into only one dialect but Zaid decided to throw away the other 6 dialects and chose one for you, if Allah didn't give Muhammad that instruction who gave Zaid?

advocatejare:

Was Zaid smarter than Allah and Muhammad?
I'm happy that you have agreed that the original Quran which was revealed in 7 different dialects is no longer available today. What we have today is Zaid's version of the Quran

advocatejare:

"Narrated By 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas
Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me in one way. Then I requested him (to read it in another way), and continued asking him to recite it in other ways, and he recited it in several ways till he ultimately recited it in seven different ways." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:513

advocatejare:

As you can see, Muhammad didn't rebuke anyone reciting the Quran in any of the different dialects or ways it was revealed. Muhammad didn't standardize it into out dialect, Muhammad didn't say other dialect of revelation should be burnt. Why did Zaid burn the other manuscripts, why did he give you guys his own Quran which was different from the one Muhammad received?

ibsaq:

indeed now I do understand that you are not to accept truth and this will be my last comment on this matter.

The other dialect are not out banded but he choose one is nowadays when we people choose English is official language and this doesn't invalidate yuroba Hausa And Igbo as Nigeria language.Also this is implied hear the other dialect are HAFS WARSH YAQUB...
and this is what I called istimbad .

I REPEAT THEY ARE ARE Available also even in the international Quran recitation they first ask you with which dialect and every that 7 dialect are allowed.

you have first state the answer in your questions above that a person that have the ability to understand 7 dialect and one who understand not all. that's the reason why Usman told them to write in Qurash.(is in your previous comments).

All are in your previous comments during the life time of Quran was not compiled this doesn't mean that the Qur'an of our faith is burnt And I repeat THEY are also available as HAFS WARSH.....

advocatejare:
That's the way all of you always run away when you are dazed with facts, I'm not surprised.


You've only mentioned three, add the remaining 4 to make it 7 na, if Zaid and other Muslims wanted to follow the footsteps of Muhammad, they should have made all the 7 versions available and allow Muslims to choose whichever one they prefer just like Muhammad did. Neither Muhammad nor Allah gave the order that the Quran should be standardized and that other manuscripts should be burnt.


What of local Quran recitation?


In other words, Uthman felt he was smarter than Muhammad by doing what Muhammad didn't do nor commanded even despite the fact that Muhammad heard different people reciting the Quran in different ways?

Mr. Damage controller, your authentic Hadith says that the original manuscript was burnt but you want to tell us that your Hadith was lying and that you that was born years after the Hadith was compiled know better than the narrator and the compiler of the Hadith

true2god:
You are doing a great job schooling my muslim brothers about the origin of our Quran. I now confirmed that the quran was the job of zaud ibn thabit and not mohammed.

ibsaq:

indeed now I do understand that you are not to accept truth and this will be my last comment on this matter.


The other dialect are not out banded but he choose one is nowadays when we people choose English is official language and this doesn't invalidate yuroba Hausa And Igbo as Nigeria language.Also this is implied hear the other dialect are HAFS WARSH YAQUB...
and this is what I called istimbad .

I REPEAT THEY ARE ARE Available also even in the international Quran recitation they first ask you with which dialect and every that 7 dialect are allowed.


you have first state the answer in your questions above that a person that have the ability to understand 7 dialect and one who understand not all. that's the reason why Usman told them to write in Qurash.(is in your previous comments).



As you can see, Muhammad didn't rebuke anyone reciting the Quran in any of the different dialects or ways it was revealed. Muhammad didn't standardize it into out dialect, Muhammad didn't say other dialect of revelation should be burnt. Why did Zaid burn the other manuscripts, why did he give you guys his own Quran which was different from the one Muhammad received?

All are in your previous comments during the life time of Quran was not compiled this doesn't mean that the Qur'an of our faith is burnt And I repeat THEY are also available as HAFS WARSH.....

advocatejare:

And even the 7 different versions or Qira'ats of the Quran you have today was established by Ibn Mujahid a man that lived more than 300years after Muhammad had died, so don't think the 7 qiraats you have today is the same as the one available during the days of Muhammad. You have many things to learn about your religion

olaalekan:


Please bring your evidence on this that ibn mujahid was the one who established the 7 Qiraat we have today. And I will tell you that the 7 qiraat has been around since the time of the prophet and the evidence is in a book titled "ulumul Quran" So Mr Islamic teacher bring your own evidence i am waiting.

Narrated By Anas bin Malik
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before."
So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.
'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al- Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)" -Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

olaalekan:


Please bring your evidence on this that ibn mujahid was the one who established the 7 Qiraat we have today. And I will tell you that the 7 qiraat has been around since the time of the prophet and the evidence is in a book titled "ulumul Quran" So Mr Islamic teacher bring your own evidence i am waiting.

olaalekan:
I am not surprise at all why non Muslim will just come and fabricate lies, give there own interpretation of Quran and hadith without any prior knowledge just to suit there own desire without having full knowledge of Islam. Islam is a religion base on knowledge and facts. you cannot just come out and say want you want. Allah said "they desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah surely will established His light whether the unbelievers detest it." So no matter your twisting, your lies, your deception the promise of Almighty Allah shall be fulfilled. you are just wasting your time. there is a Yoruba adage " ile ti a ba fi iro ko eeri no o wo"