Are yoruba and Edo the same, that can be used interchangeably in the state?

Are the Edos afraid of Yoruba dominance in Edo ?

These above questions comes to my mind about Edo state.



The Yorubas people are also native to Edo state like Esan, Afamai, Etc but why are edo people not giving Yoruba their deserved recognition in Edo state as a tribe in Edo state.

1. Many towns closed to Ore speaks the Yoruba language

2. Many towns in Akoko edo are yoruba migrants that settled in Edo state.

3. Many Yoruba kingship titles and chief titles in Edo state.

4. Many yoruba religions in Edo eg Ogun , Sango Oronmila, Ifa, Olokun , aiyelala etc

5. First oba of Bini (Yoruba) grandson of Oduduwa.

6. First onibilo of ibilo is Yoruba among others in Edo state

7. Many Edos bears Yoruba surnames



Then why are Edo people trying to put Yoruba at disadvantage in their Edo-state at all cost? These Edo yorubas are now afraid to bear Yoruba names because they will face discrimination of Jobs, tribe that will come with it...while the Edo people in Yoruba lands are not discriminated upon at all.

List Igbos

They give Yorubas their due recognition, you just don't notice it.many families and households in Edo bear Yoruba surnames

It is politics that did not list Yoruba. Go to Edo and you will know. Politics with divide and rule tactics.

It's the north that is dictating how things run in this country.

dangotesmummy:
They give Yorubas their due recognition, you just don't notice it.many families and households in Edo bear Yoruba surnames

Bini, Esan, Akoko ego Afenmai, igbanke , etc are tribes in Edo but Yoruba excluded.

Mraphel:

Bini, Esan, Akoko ego Afenmai, igbanke , etc are tribes in Edo but Yoruba excluded.

they are.you just don't notice.when Yoruba men marry into that tribe it becomes obvious but on many instances it's Benin men that marry Yoruba women hence the Yoruba population and names are not predominant

There is a misunderstanding. First Yoruba deny Benin controlled swathes of areas in Eastern Yorubaland. Up to Otun in Northern Ekiti. That place demarcated Oyo Empire from Benin Empire. Once people accept that historical fact then we can start from there. And begin to understand how Yoruboid people have been an are integral part of Benin and Edo in general.

At the time Benin interacted with what is now Yoruba, the term Yoruba didn't even exist. You were Ijebu, Owo, Ekiti, Awori, Egba, Ife, Oyo, Akure, etc.

The word that it crystallised into to describe Edoid-Yoruboid people is Edo n'Ekue (Ado-Akure). Irrespective of origin in Eastern Yorubaland. So officially we still do not call it Yoruba because Yoruba as a tag gained popularity much later.

As an Ado-Akure, I can authoritatively say this. Even though my Yoruba links is not with Akure. My family in the area still produce a first class Oba in Yorubaland and has been same since centuries.

Ado-Akure people are very privileged in Edo. With my relatives alone having produced commissioners, a vice chancellor, central bank director, host of palace chiefs, a Duke/Enogie (since over 200 years), senior civil servants, etc.
We visit relatives in Yorubaland frequently.

Only some people do not master Yoruba language well nowadays, but they do not master Benin language either.

In the last 200 years, Ado-Akure has produced 2 Benin Traditional Prime Ministers/Iyase, who is second in command to the Oba. Though not hereditary, he is the only person who can publicly disagree with the Oba without any sanctions. One of them, Chief Okoro-Otun was probably the longest serving Iyase in Benin history. He was Iyase to three Obas in the 1800s.

In my opinion it's a blessing to straddle the cultural divide.

News is read in Yoruba on Edo State Television.

I know that if you do not toe the tribal line of our Southwest people, they are often not inclined to listen. Or even resort to verbal tirade.

Yoruboid people of Edo are not complaining. No need for those from outside to Stoke ethnic propaganda.

AreaFada2:
There is a misunderstanding. First Yoruba deny Benin controlled swathes of areas in Eastern Yorubaland. Up to Otun in Northern Ekiti. That place demarcated Oyo Empire from Benin Empire. Once people accept that historical fact then we can start from there. And begin to understand how Yoruboid people have been and are integral part of Benin and Edo in general.

At the time Benin interacted with what is now Yoruba, the term Yoruba did even exist. You were Ijebu, Owo, Ekiti, Awori, Egba, Ife, Oyo, Akure, etc.

The word that it crystallised into to describe Edoid-Yoruboid people is Edo n'Ekue (Ado-Akure). Irrespective of origin in Eastern Yorubaland. So officially we still do not call it Yoruba because Yoruba as a tag gained popularity much later.

As an Ado-Akure, I can authoritatively say this. Even though my Yoruba links is not with Akure. My family in the area still produce a first class Oba in Yorubaland and has been same since centuries.

Ado-Akure people are very privileged in Edo. With my relatives alone having produced commissioners, a vice chancellor, central bank director, host of palace chiefs, a Duke/Enogie (since over 200 years), senior civil servants, etc.
We visit relatives in Yorubaland frequently.

Only some people do not master Yoruba language well nowadays, but they do not master Benin language either.

In the last 200 years, Ado-Akure has produced 2 Benin Traditional Prime Ministers/Iyase, who is second in command to the Oba. Though not hereditary, he is the only person who can publicly disagree with the Oba without any sanctions. One of them, Chief Okoro-Otun was probably the longest serving Iyase in Benin history. He was Iyase to three Obas in the 1800s.

In my opinion it's blessing to straddle the cultural divide.

News is read in Yoruba on Edo State Television.

I know that if you do not toe the tribal line of our Southwest people, they are often not inclined to listen. Or even resort to verbal tirade.

Yoruboid people of Edo are not complaining. No need for those from outside to Stoke ethnic propaganda.

Stop misinforming jaare.Why did your Edo language didn't survive in those places ? Why didn't any deity of edo Origin found in these area ? You even bear Yoruba names in Edo land. Smh

Olu317:
Stop misinforming jaare.Why did your Edo language didn't survive in those places ? Why didn't any deity of edo Origin found in these area ? You even bear Yoruba names in Edo land. Smh

Lol. You have very little knowledge Olu. Anything that doesn't fit into your narrow tribal prism is automatically misleading.

Lots of Edo names survive. But that's not even in doubt because I go to these places and I know.
Olu are you going to tell me my history in Yorubaland?

Benin was the centre of an empire. So it was necessarily accommodating. People from across the empire are part of Benin elite today. Those who distinguished themselves especially. Let me remind you that the great-great grandfather of current Gov. Obaski came from Anioma. Obaseki was a chieftaincy title Oba Ovonramwen created specially for his childhood friend when he became King. The father of the childhood friend had accompanied Oba Adolor (Father of Ovonramwen) from Anioma exile to win the tussle for his throne.

Empires accommodate. Rome adopted Greek gods when they conquered Greece. Such as Diana, Zeus, etc. Even Egyptian gods like Horus, Isis, etc.

Naturally Eastern Yoruba who moved to imperial capital came with their deities so how is that surprising? It's even a sign of power that various ethnicity groups flourish across the land under vassal kings/chiefs.

Only Oyo was an Empire in SW and I expect it would have had several ethnic groups in what is now North Central.

Do not take the accommodating nature typical of ALL empires as a sign of weakness, quite the contrary.

However, relatively small homogeneous Yoruba states could never be that tolerant. You are either Yoruba or nothing. Even today if there are 4 Yoruba people in a gathering of 15, they automatically begin speaking Yoruba, oblivious of others present.

Lagos today is quite unique having being under various influences over the centuries and as a former Federal capital. Including Oba of Lagos, a Benin prince. Abeg spare us story of how Idejo own the land in Lagos blah blah. Benin were never out to dispossess people of land. Benin always had enough "Lebensraum".

Ole-Okun is an indigenous Benin goddess. Is it not surprising that the landlocked Ife has a great Olokun tradition? It most likely came from Benin that has proximity to water bodies both rivers and the Atlantic. Oba Olua of Benin even sent his son Iginuwa to go and be the Lord of the Seas (Ogiame), with olokun priests. He is now Ogiame Olu of Warri.

I know that tribal pride won't let you be objective. I on the other hand have far better reasons to be objective.

Today on Edo State TV, news is read in Benin, Esan, Urhobo, Afemai, Izon, Yoruba, Igbo and other languages. Imperial past rooted various people in Edo/Benin long before Midwest and the people celebrate this diversity.

Remember too that Benin suffered the worst marginalisation under the British. While they rewarded the mostly pliable Yoruba kings and their lands. Including physically stopping people coming from Akure to pay homage to Oba Eweka II in 1914. They did all they could to diminish Benin influence. Including refusing to build self-funded schools in Benin area. They are all in the archives in Westminster.

So Yoruba grew in education and strength and became more united as a tribe. Unlike the eras of internecine Yoruba wars some generations back. So population politics began to make Yoruba more dominant and began deciding to write everyone's history.

Mraphel:
Are yoruba and Edo the same, that can be used interchangeably in the state?

Are the Edos afraid of Yoruba dominance in Edo ?

Edos/Binis are Yorubas...They are same people from same mother.

https://www.nairaland.com/5714550/obas-benin-descendants-great-yoruba


Benin are Descendants of Yorubas.

AreaFada2:


Lol. You have very little knowledge Olu. Anything that doesn't fit into your narrow tribal prism is automatically misleading.

Lots of Edo names survive. But that's not even in doubt because I go to these places and I know.
Olu are you going to tell me my history in Yorubaland?

Benin was the centre of an empire. So it was necessarily accommodating. People from across the empire are part of Benin elite today. Those who distinguished themselves especially. Let me remind you that the great-great grandfather of current Gov. Obaski came from Anioma. Obaseki was a chieftaincy title Oba Ovonramwen created specially for his childhood friend when he became King. The father of the childhood friend had accompanied Oba Adolor (Father of Ovonramwen) from Anioma exile to win the tussle for his throne.

Empires accommodate. Rome adopted Greek gods when they conquered Greece. Such as Diana, Zeus, etc. Even Egyptian gods like Horus, Isis, etc.

Naturally Eastern Yoruba who moved to imperial capital came with their deities so how is that surprising? It's even a sign of power that various ethnicity groups flourish across the land under vassal kings/chiefs.

Only Oyo was an Empire in SW and I expect it would have had several ethnic groups in what is now North Central.

Do not take the accommodating nature typical of ALL empires as a sign of weakness, quite the contrary.

However, relatively small homogeneous Yoruba states could never be that tolerant. You are either Yoruba or nothing. Even today if there are 4 Yoruba people in a gathering of 15, they automatically begin speaking Yoruba, oblivious of others present.

Lagos today is quite unique having being under various influences over the centuries and as a former Federal capital. Including Oba of Lagos. a Benin prince. Abeg spare us of story of how Idejo own the land in Lagos blah blah. Benin were never out to dispossess people of land. Benin always had enough "Lebensraum".

Ole-Okun is an indigenous Benin goddess. Is it not surprising that the landlocked Ife has a great Olokun tradition? It most likely came from Benin that has proximity to water bodies both rivers and the Atlantic. Oba Olua of Benin even sent his son Iginuwa to go and be the Lord of the Seas (Ogiame), with olokun priests. He is now Ogiame Olu of Warri.

I know that tribal pride won't let you be objective. I on the other hand have far better reasons to be objective.

Today on Edo State TV, news is read in Benin, Esan, Urhobo, Afemai, Izon, Yoruba, Igbo and other languages. Imperial past rooted various people in Edo/Benin long before Midwest and the people celebrate this diversity.

Remember too that Benin suffered the worst marginalisation under the British. While they rewarded the mostly pliable Yoruba kings and their lands. Including physically stopping people coming from Akure to pay homage to Oba Eweka II in 1914. They did all they could to diminish Benin influence. Including refusing to build self-funded schools in Benin area. They are all in the archives in Westminster. So Yoruba grew in education and strength and became more united as a tribe. Unlike the eras of internecine Yoruba wars some generations back. So population politics began to make Yoruba more dominant and began deciding to write everyone's history.

All I can infer here is that, the above had been trashed out in years past . Therefore I won't go there anymore. Let me enlighten you, ifa corpus has record in some odu such Ogunda to mention one, which mention creation, populating the world in that corpus, that use Adekunle as figurative speech of the one who birthed; thus it has do with birth ( creation/recreation) .

Interestingly Yoruba use elision and contration which you failed to know because you're not Yoruba, even if some of you people are related to Yoruba's . The name Olokun is of Yoruba origin in Ifaodu, Yoruba's religious account, origin, philosophy, etc is a contration of Olohun/Eluohon/Olorun/Elu orun( owner) and Okun( ocean). This relate to power form of water and birth. Infaodu, the spiritual forces that are key elements in Ifaodu corpus in fertilit. So, if you want to learn more about Yoruba ifaodu ,then you need be prepared for it which is learned as an apprentice for 15/20 years , or more , which doesn't stop one even after such individual has been set free and ordained Olifa/onifa /adifa. Invariably, it is a life learning process.


Note: Stop distortion of history because you don't want Yoruba to lord over you.So, stop this misinformation.

How about the Ikas in Igbanke and Orhiomwon, are they given recognition? :/

Mraphel:
These above questions comes to my mind about the state of Edo



Yorubas are native to Edo state why are edo people not giving Yoruba deserved recognition in Edo state as part of the tribes in the state

1. Many towns closed to Ore speaks Yoruba.

2. Many towns in Akoko edo are yoruba migrant that settled in Edo state.

3. Many Yoruba kingship titles and chief titles in Edo

4. Many yoruba religions in Edo eg Ogun , Sango Oronmila, Ifa, Olokun and aiyelala.

5. First oba of Bini (Yoruba)

6. First onibilo of ibilo Yoruba among others

7. Many Edos bears Yoruba names



Why are Edo people trying to put Yoruba at disadvantage in their Edo at all cost? The Edo yorubas are now afraid to bear Yoruba names because of discrimination of Jobs, ethnicity that will come with it.

You guys have started again. Are you just looking for trouble once again ?

1) there is no such thing as Oba of Bini
2) We have the Oba of Benin Kingdom and his title is as old as the kingdom and way older than the word yari.ba and ife and oyo so how the first Oba of Benin (whose dates are not known) would be a yari.ba is beyond me.
3) so the Igbos developed the term "delta Igbo" in order to try and claim parts of Benin Kingdom now called Delta state and because of that the yari.ba want to emulate and create "Edo Yoruba". There is no such thing as Edo-yoruba nor as delta-igbo, you guys are deluded.
4) You seem to very easily confuse the word Edo with the expression Edo-state. The word Edo refers to the citizens of Benin empire and the language of their emperor.
5) you guys need to lay off the coccain you keep consuming. Yoruba is not listed as a tribe in Edo-state because Edo-state is populated by Edo people whom also populate Delta-state. You should rather ask yourself why Yoruba is listed as a tribe at all in Nigeria
6) Yoruba is a mixture of people of various origins: slave returnees, Jebu, oyo, Dahomey...politics reorganised you guys into creating a brand new tribe called "yari.ba" which was previously the reserved name if the people of oyo kingdom.

Wouldn't it be much better if people would stop trying to claim other people especially when they have no proof and the people they are claiming do not agree.
What kind of a mad man goes to see a person in the street and tells him: your father is not your father, my father is your true father, you ask the guy for proof, he says: just believe. Then you say no and he insists.
That is the madness of the yar.iba.

ghostwon:


You guys have started again. Are you just looking for trouble once again ?

1) there is no such thing as Oba of Bini
2) We have the Oba of Benin Kingdom and his title is as old as the kingdom and way older than the word yari.ba and ife and oyo so how the first Oba of Benin (whose dates are not known) would be a yari.ba is beyond me.
3) so the Igbos developed the term "delta Igbo" in order to try and claim parts of Benin Kingdom now called Delta state and because of that the yari.ba want to emulate and create "Edo Yoruba". There is no such thing as Edo-yoruba nor as delta-igbo, you guys are deluded.
4) You seem to very easily confuse the word Edo with the expression Edo-state. The word Edo refers to the citizens of Benin empire and the language of their emperor.
5) you guys need to lay off the coccain you keep consuming. Yoruba is not listed as a tribe in Edo-state because[b] Edo-state is populated by Edo people whom also populate Delta-state[/b]. You should rather ask yourself why Yoruba is listed as a tribe at all in Nigeria
6) Yoruba is a mixture of people of various origins: slave returnees, Jebu, oyo, Dahomey...politics reorganised you guys into creating a brand new tribe called "yari.ba" which was previously the reserved name if the people of oyo kingdom.

Are you okay @ bolded.

So Asaba is now Benin kingdom?

better face that una little kingdom and stop talking trash.

Anything Benin kingdom is in Edo state and ends there..

Why aren't others speaking Edo language?

I no blame u....Lol

Una kingdom starts and ends there.

ghostwon:
Wouldn't it be much better if people would stop trying to claim other people especially when they have no proof and the people they are claiming do not agree.
What kind of a mad man goes to see a person in the street and tells him: your father is not your father, my father is your true father, you ask the guy for proof, he says: just believe. Then you say no and he insists.
That is the madness of the yar.iba.

And you are trying to claim another ethnicity in Delta state.

MelesZenawi:



And you are trying to claim another ethnicity in Delta state.

Nope, the precolonial maps of the region and the people of the region agree with me.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

MelesZenawi:



Are you okay @ bolded.

So Asaba is now Benin kingdom?

better face that una little kingdom and stop talking trash.

Anything Benin kingdom is in Edo state and ends there..

Why aren't others speaking Edo language?

I no blame u....Lol

Una kingdom starts and ends there.

You are just one of those uneducated people who confuse Benin Kingdom with its capital Benin city:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

ghostwon:

Nope, the precolonial maps of the region and the people of the region agree with me.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Which pre-colonial map

Oba of Benin jurisdiction ends in edo state and not. Outside it.



So what we have in. Delta state are Delta Benin no be Igbo?


Why are they not answering Benin name?

Please mind your territory. Nothing like oba this area please

ghostwon:


You are just one of those uneducated people who confuse Benin Kingdom with its capital Benin city:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Benin are more and closely related to yorubas. Infact they are brothers and sisters.

Over here there is no relationship. Avoid this your 21st century conquest

MelesZenawi:


Edos/Binis are Yorubas...They are same people from same mother.

https://www.nairaland.com/5714550/obas-benin-descendants-great-yoruba


Benin are Descendants of Yorubas.

It's obvious you have no knowledge of anthropology or philology. Unless you allude to Eve as the collective mother of all humans. Or both being Niger-Congo people.

Benin are never descendants of Yoruba. There are people in Benin with some Yoruba ancestry and there are also people in Yorubaland with some Benin ancestry.

I have offered here on NL years ago for ten people each from Benin and Benin royal families to volunteer for DNA test to see which has the older DNA. Yes it can be done these days. I put my money where my mouth is.
I believe in logic and empiricism.

Not like those who beat chest, use profanities and run away.

AreaFada2:

It's obvious you have no knowledge of anthropology or philology. Unless you allude to Eve as the collective mother of all humans. Or both being Niger-Congo people.

Benin are never descendants of Yoruba. There are people in Benin with some Yoruba ancestry and there are also people in Yorubaland with some Benin ancestry.

I have offered here on NL years ago for ten people each from Benin and Benin royal families to volunteer for DNA test to see which has the older DNA. Yes it can be done these days. I put my money where my mouth is.
I believe in logic and empiricism.

Not like those who beat chest, use profanities and run away.

The similarities between the two are too much that your defence will be weak and look somehow stupid.

MelesZenawi:



The similarities between the two are too much that your defence will be weak and look somehow stupid.

Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas nobody needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research.

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective are called "omale".

Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

MelesZenawi:



Which pre-colonial map

Oba of Benin jurisdiction ends in edo state and not. Outside it.



So what we have in. Delta state are Delta Benin no be Igbo?


Why are they not answering Benin name?

Please mind your territory. Nothing like oba this area please

So you have decided to blind yourself in order to not see the precolonial maps.
All I said is proven by the maps.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

MelesZenawi:




Benin are more and closely related to yorubas. Infact they are brothers and sisters.

Over here there is no relationship. Avoid this your 21st century conquest

The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

MelesZenawi:



Are you okay @ bolded.

So Asaba is now Benin kingdom?

better face that una little kingdom and stop talking trash.

Anything Benin kingdom is in Edo state and ends there..

Why aren't others speaking Edo language?

I no blame u....Lol

Una kingdom starts and ends there.

people like that clown are so ignorant and sentimental at the same time that it's useless trying to teach them anything.
You don't reason with Bini clowns, they flock together in willful ignorance.

macof:
people like that clown are so ignorant and sentimental at the same time that it's useless trying to teach them anything.

you don't fully understand the words you use, the "clown" provides proof for all he says while you and your fellow yari.ba never care to prove your claims which the "clown" has already debunked with proof by the way.

Yoruba is a brand new tribe of people from other tribes and origins who separated from their main tribes to create a political alliance called Yoruba.
Some Yoruba are actually dahomians, some are oyo people, some are ijebu, some are Egba and some are Edo, some are even Haussa. But a lot are descendents from slaves captured all around Africa and dumped into the region.

The oduduwa story is a big joke not more credible than father Christmas story.

ghostwon:

The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Answer my question oga.

Look for another ethnic group to annex. Benin kingdom starts and ends in benin.

macof:
people like that clown are so ignorant and sentimental at the same time that it's useless trying to teach them anything.
You don't reason with Bini clowns, they flock together in willful ignorance.

Lol