tensazangetsu20:
COBOL is actually a good language to have o. I have seen some jobs requiring just that programming language and most times have no applicants. It's weird though.

hollyfat:
Computer Science is not all about programming

pajosh:


In Nigeria?

tensazangetsu20:
COBOL is actually a good language to have o. I have seen some jobs requiring just that programming language and most times have no applicants. It's weird though.

pajosh:
Its unfortunate though .. But I think computer science in Nigeria is the worst course to study in Nigeria owing to the fact that most lecturers have little or no programming experience and most times students are subjected to learning aceic languages like COBOL PASCAL FOTRAN , etc whereas those languages are now too low for the basic in these ever evolving tech industry

Feel free to add other ways you think we're missing it in computer science course in Nigeria

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Ausrichie:

Computer science is not about programming. It is even more of mathematics google the fathers of computers – Alan Turing who formulated the Turing machine and the Universal Turing Machine model, John Von Neumann who designed the current model used in computers nowadays and greatest of all Charles Babbage who was the first to plan and model a kind of programmable computer which widely influenced John Von Neumann, Alan Turing and many other computer scientists work and what relates them all is mathematics. The standard of computer science now is washed, those languages you mentioned are obsolete though still used by scientists like I've heard a language like C and C++ should be taught in schools not Java and python that are weak and not even half as powerful as C or C++. But to answer your question it isn't useless just push those languages aside though Paschal is still good, learn C and C++. These programming languages give you power over your computer.

pajosh:



Thanks Man ... Am happy you really understand ... For me I think for the basics now ... Year one students after learning data structures and algorithms ... The language to start with is C and C++ .... Those statically type languages help a lot for beginners

spartan117:
I will recommend computer science as a good course to study. It's true that the lecturer s don't teach modern languages like Python,JavaScript in-depth because they don't know it well themselves.

However studying computer science will give u a solid foundation in programming by teaching u data structures, algorithms etc and employers sometimes list this as a requirement for tech jobs, but most employers don't tech is perhaps the only field that a certificate doesn't count for much, what counts is first and foremost your[b]skills and a very strong portfolio to back it up.[/b]

So I'll recommend computer science but you have to learn a lot of technologies online and use the 4 years in school to build your portfolio.you don't have to wait for an actual client you can just sit at home and build a website for a fictional company then add it to your portfolio!
That's the beauty of tech, u can gain experience without working for actual clients.

spartan117:

I'm not sure about c and c++ most people recommend Python as a first language and Python is the second most in demand programming language beginning java and ahead of JavaScript and it's easy to understand and can be used in almost any Field: artificial intelligence (exclusively Python and any database language like mysql), web programming etc.

pajosh:



I don't think so bro

Why?

Because it is always good to start with statically typed and procedural languages ... It will really expose you to what is happening under d hood

spartan117:

Well knowing C and C++ will certainly make learning Python easier. However every 21st century developer should at least have an understanding of java,Python and JavaScript , they are the most in demand languages and aren't going away anytime soon. It depends on your field also.

pajosh:



Thanks Man ... Am happy you really understand ... For me I think for the basics now ... Year one students after learning data structures and algorithms ... The language to start with is C and C++ .... Those statically type languages help a lot for beginners

Ausrichie:

Yah they help a lot. Do Nigerian universities teach algorithms and data structures in first year.

spartan117:

I'm not sure about c and c++ most people recommend Python as a first language and Python is the second most in demand programming language beginning java and ahead of JavaScript and it's easy to understand and can be used in almost any Field: artificial intelligence (exclusively Python and any database language like mysql), web programming, software development, android development just name it.

pajosh:



Can't say for sure ... But the problem is that even when they do ... They only give them shallow knowledge about it .....

I had to leave everything I had at hand to learn data structures and algorithms and the truth is that it is really bigger than what people think it is...

Ausrichie:

So unfortunate, that is why our so called computer scientists in Nigeria only know how to use rubbish frameworks and libraries for getting that people created them.

Ausrichie:

So unfortunate, that is why our so called computer scientists in Nigeria only know how to use rubbish frameworks and libraries for getting that people created them.

pajosh:


God bless you sir.....

I wish all NL developers could see this thread

Because that's where limitations start...

Because of what I saw in bootstrap as a 12 column framework that limits me to its structure I had to take an Advanced CSS course on udemy in order to get that flexibility I desire ... Using any type of grid layout I want either float or flex or even CSS grids

Ausrichie:

When I wanted to learn web development at first, I learnt HTML, CSS and Javascript people were talking of Bootstrap I thought it was a language until I found out that it was a library. I just hissed and deleted the whole thing such rubbish when I am ready I will learn the whole Advanced CSS shit. As for PHP goddammit that language is ugly and jumbled

pajosh:



Swears....

I was totally disappointed in procedural php...

When I finished with php basics I had to go and learn laravel ASAP from udemy and laravel documentations until I became fed up with php as a whole...

Ausrichie:

pajosh:


Which language is doing the trick for you now

Ausrichie:

Bros I have turn face from web development for now I don't even know how I will go back, I searched for server side programming tutorials for c++ or C but I was so disappointed almost next to nothing. I have given up for now just improving my algorithmic skills and knowledge of data structures in C. I am yet to master n-ary trees and graphs. C# may be able to do the magic but my laptop is spoilt, wait I believe C# is up to the challenge. It's like C++ but remove pointers and addresses and multiple inheritance.

Ausrichie:

Nope Computer science students must know c and c++, data structures can only be implemented with a language that has pointers. Python's libraries were written using C. System calls are written using C, operating systems must be written using C (preferably C worst of all is that when you try to develop an OS say bye bye to libraries frameworks and interpreters and say hello to devilish hardware handling, Assembly language and beastly algorithms ) or C++, the problem of now is that the young and budding programmers are usually scared of low level stuff like memory address handling, pointers and deadly data structures like trees and graphs that is why people run to Python or Java forgetting that these languages actually have large complex beasts of program trying so hard to make life easier for them. But C and C++ are simple C is even the simplest language I've come across the only difficult thing to master is pointers and addresses. Go on YouTube and search for Linus Torvalds talks he made the most popular and beautiful statement "Nothing better than C" or C++ I might add.

spartan117:

No argument C is no doubt the best for OS development. Aside from that Python trumps it in nearly every other field

spartan117:

No argument C is no doubt the best for OS development. Aside from that Python trumps it in nearly every other field