Spy360:

If he's been okay as you stated, that ends the discussion, because talking about upgrading, every player that is not named Messi or Ronaldo can be upgraded.

Football today especially in England demands more than OKAY, in the least be "very good" if not brilliancy.

OKAY players are good for 5th,6th and 9th, but very good for something bigger.

Auba is an example of a player beyond being OKAY and maybe Torreira, they are very good/brilliant and are top4 materials.

The young players and new signings can be understandable to look OKAY for the main time, but the main Men starting every week have to do more than OKAY to get us above 5th,6th and 9th.

Messi and Ronaldo's brilliance is top notch.

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BlueRayDick:
Alaye Achilles Don tear o.

Na now e for make sense to play them

Alaye, dis your news no legit oh! I can't find this info from any legitimate source.

Roland17:


Alaye, dis your news no legit oh! I can't find this info from any legitimate source.

I just tried to confirm now, seems someone went to pull out a 2019 news and refurbished it and same reposted by Alabi

Pics taken down.

Fkhalifa:

Football today especially in England demands more than OKAY, in the least be "very good" if not brilliancy.

OKAY players are good for 5th,6th and 9th, but very good for something bigger.

Auba is an example of a player beyond being OKAY and maybe Torreira, they are very good/brilliant and are top4 materials.

The young players and new signings can be understandable to look OKAY for the main time, but the main Men starting every week have to do more than OKAY to get us above 5th,6th and 9th.

Messi and Ronaldo's brilliance is top notch.

Lol
You misconstrued the word okay just to justify your point. You mischievous fellow...

Spy360:

Lol
You misconstrued the word okay just to justify your point. You mischievous fellow...

Lol...
But to be serious. What the guy says is right. OK players especially in a critical position can hardly give you trophies. We need above OK players in most positions to be truly competitive. What he said is really the truth

Jodera:
Lol...
But to be serious. What the guy says is right. OK players especially in a critical position can hardly give you trophies. We need above OK players in most positions to be truly competitive. What he said is really the truth

Exactly! we all complained bitterly during Wenger's later years of how we never got the needed quality players to make us contenders for the title. Now we still want to be managing "OK players" in 2020 and still expect to be taken seriously.

E no fit work

Jodera:
Lol...
But to be serious. What the guy says is right. OK players especially in a critical position can hardly give you trophies. We need above OK players in most positions to be truly competitive. What he said is really the truth

Okay means good enough, sufficient, etc. Unless you take Okay to mean average.

Like I said, the only players that don't need upgrading are Messi and Ronaldo, probably Neymar and few others. The rest are OKAY.

The thing is that putting together a team takes more than just gathering talents or stars. While those big names can make a difference, they need to be the right names or else you will still struggle. See Galaticos.

A player like De Bruyne couldn't perform for Chelsea under Mourinho, same as Salah. Then fans may have referred to them as average. Players perform based on many factors including style of play, natural position, team mentality, team tactics, etc.

We may need a big black midfielder now because of our style of play that doesn't mean the players we have there are useless.

BlueRayDick:


Exactly! we all complained bitterly during Wenger's later years of how we never got the needed quality players to make us contenders for the title. Now we still want to be managing "OK players" in 2020 and still expect to be taken seriously.

E no fit work

Wenger years where we were using bendtner as striker, and other OK players. It's no wonder we falter during the course of the season, even tho we had very very good players like nasri and fab.

Spy360:

Okay means good enough, sufficient, etc. Unless you take Okay to mean average.

Like I said, the only players that don't need upgrading are Messi and Ronaldo, probably Neymar and few others. The rest are OKAY.

The thing is that putting together a team takes more than just gathering talents or stars. While those big names can make a difference, they need to be the right names or else you will still struggle. See Galaticos.

[/b]A player like De Bruyne couldn't perform for Chelsea under Mourinho, same as Salah. Then fans may have referred to them as average. Players perform based on many factors including style of play, natural position, team mentality, team tactics, etc.[b]

We may need a big black midfielder now because of our style of play that doesn't mean the players we have there are useless.

Yeah...OK means, just good enough. Nothing exceptionally more.

Lol, wen discussing players, please, let's don't call Ronaldo or Messi biko. Those 2 aren't players but aliens.

The bolded is true, which means we're getting somewhere. While kdb wasn't given chance at Chelsea tho, same with salah, so we can't judge them then..I remember reading an article were kdb literally begged mou to be given chance, but my guy no gree.
Xhaka on the other hand, we've seen him play time and again... But we all know his limited in some basic critical qualities according to his position. Can't tackle, can't push ball forward, No speed and all. So he's just good enough. Even his outside 18 shot have stopped sef. What we need is that "sometimes extra" in his quality and maybe we'll be good. Look at wen we paired coquelin with cazorla(on his peak season). Even tho coq is not scoring, nor assisting, but then we're always confident that once opponents are venturing to our half, they won't find it easy cos he's good at tackles and interceptions. He doesn't over-do and releases the ball quickly. He wasn't world class but we cherished him then...imagine we had that kinda person now partnering ceballos... Mehn, midfield don dope na.
That's the kinda players we want....
Lacazette also na anoda OK player.

Jodera:
Yeah...OK means, just good enough. Nothing exceptionally more.

Lol, wen discussing players, please, let's don't call Ronaldo or Messi biko. Those 2 aren't players but aliens.

The bolded is true, which means we're getting somewhere. While kdb wasn't given chance at Chelsea tho, same with salah, so we can't judge them then..I remember reading an article were kdb literally begged mou to be given chance, but my guy no gree.
Xhaka on the other hand, we've seen him play time and again... But we all know his limited in some basic critical qualities according to his position. Can't tackle, can't push ball forward, No speed and all. So he's just good enough. Even his outside 18 shot have stopped sef. What we need is that "sometimes extra" in his quality and maybe we'll be good. Look at wen we paired coquelin with cazorla(on his peak season). Even tho coq is not scoring, nor assisting, but then we're always confident that once opponents are venturing to our half, they won't find it easy cos he's good at tackles and interceptions. He doesn't over-do and releases the ball quickly. He wasn't world class but we cherished him then...imagine we had that kinda person now partnering ceballos... Mehn, midfield don dope na.
That's the kinda players we want....
Lacazette also na anoda OK player.

We are getting there.

Like you opined, some players fit in while some don't. Just as Coquelin, he was as OK as Xhaka, just that he fitted well. If not where is he?

Lukaku didn't fit in at United, he is currently the best thing in Italy after Ronaldo. He is on loan.

Drinkwater was bossing the midfield for Leicester a couple of seasons ago, where is he at Chelsea?

I repeat the only players who can fit any where are the exceptional ones you asked me not to mention. Others are within the limits of the teams they play for.

Now let's agree, Xhaka is okay but doesn't fit in to our desired style of play.

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Spy360:

We are getting there.

Like you opined, some players fit in while some don't. Just as Coquelin, he was as OK as Xhaka, just that he fitted well. If not where is he?

Lukaku didn't fit in at United, he is currently the best thing in Italy after Ronaldo. He is on loan.

Drinkwater was bossing the midfield for Leicester a couple of seasons ago, where is he at Chelsea?

I repeat the only players who can fit any where are the exceptional ones you asked me not to mention. Others are within the limits of the teams they play for.

Now let's agree, Xhaka is okay but doesn't fit in to our desired style of play.

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Bros why?

You quoted my initial post pointing it out that my submissions are invalid when I called for the sale of Xhaka because his contribution to the game in the middle of the park is below par( At times Guendouzi a 4cking 20 year old bests him in the middle). I clearly stated the fact that Xhaka has not really being the midfielder we all crave for until the role of Auxillary leftback was specifically carved out for him under arteta, you disagreed.

In order to make it seem he was being judged unfairly, you posited :

" There is a reason why Xhaka has always been on the first team since his U17 days in Nigeria for Switzerland to his time at FC Basel, to Borrusia Mgb , and Arsenal all under Wenger, Emery and now Arteta.

He may not be the super star midfield maestro, but he does bring value to his team


Now the same you has proposed that we all agree he just doesn't fit into arsenal playing style. Bros, Is that not the same thing as XHAKA IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ARSENAL? Now is it not only sensible to sell a player whose style doesn't suit the team and get one whose style does?

Why did it take you this long to agree?

Any serious manager will bin Xhaka and Guen in the next TW and get a solid DM while retaining Ceb. With the number of CBS we now have and with Saliba coming I see no reason we can’t add Luiz to the DM role in some games. That way we have four potential DMs going into the next season.

Sell Laca get a Left winger that Saka can deputize for while Mati deputizes for Auba. We then splash on that AM position. Next we win the EPL going unbeaten again.

Jodera:
Yeah, I made that comment cos Kbs posted our next two matches and their times

Personally, I like to focus on the next game before even thinking of subsequent games on the schedule. We need maximum points against Westham.

Jodera:
Yeah...OK means, just good enough. Nothing exceptionally more.

Lol, wen discussing players, please, let's don't call Ronaldo or Messi biko. Those 2 aren't players but aliens.

The bolded is true, which means we're getting somewhere. While kdb wasn't given chance at Chelsea tho, same with salah, so we can't judge them then..I remember reading an article were kdb literally begged mou to be given chance, but my guy no gree.
Xhaka on the other hand, we've seen him play time and again... But we all know his limited in some basic critical qualities according to his position. Can't tackle, can't push ball forward, No speed and all. So he's just good enough. Even his outside 18 shot have stopped sef. What we need is that "sometimes extra" in his quality and maybe we'll be good. Look at wen we paired coquelin with cazorla(on his peak season). Even tho coq is not scoring, nor assisting, but then we're always confident that once opponents are venturing to our half, they won't find it easy cos he's good at tackles and interceptions. He doesn't over-do and releases the ball quickly. He wasn't world class but we cherished him then...imagine we had that kinda person now partnering ceballos... Mehn, midfield don dope na.
That's the kinda players we want....
Lacazette also na anoda OK player.

I think say na only me rate Coquelin, though his forward play is not good enough, but defensively, he's been the best since Alex Song.

Carzola who also wasn't superb defensively, was very smart,technical skillful and uses the ball v.well, both complement each other.

Xhaka was the reason we sold Coq,he was believed to be an upgrade( Swizz and Mochenglach captain).

I remembered when Wenger paired Xhaka and Coq after carzola's injury, Xhaka as usual sits deep and doesn't move, Coq who is more Mobile though lacks good forward play was saddled with the carzola role but performed woefully and that was the beginning of his end..

I didn't like his sale.

Coq and Carzola have been the best pair in recent years..
Xhaka with carzola,Torreira,Ramsey,Guen,Willock hasn't impressed enough IMO.

So a Carzola like and a tall strong Coq is needed to sweet the middle.

Spy360:

We are getting there.

Like you opined, some players fit in while some don't. Just as Coquelin, he was as OK as Xhaka, just that he fitted well. If not where is he?

Lukaku didn't fit in at United, he is currently the best thing in Italy after Ronaldo. He is on loan.

Drinkwater was bossing the midfield for Leicester a couple of seasons ago, where is he at Chelsea?

I repeat the only players who can fit any where are the exceptional ones you asked me not to mention. Others are within the limits of the teams they play for.

[/b]Now let's agree, Xhaka is okay but doesn't fit in to our desired style of play[b].

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Baba, you don get am. We don finally reach agreement point.

Roland17:

Personally, I like to focus on the next game before even thinking of subsequent games on the schedule. We need maximum points against Westham.

lol...Yeah. Everyone knows we need maximum point. From now on, I pray let those guys take all EPL games as final.

Fkhalifa:


I think say na only me rate Coquelin, though his forward play is not good enough, but defensively, he's been the best since Alex Song.

Carzola who also wasn't superb defensively, was very smart,technical skillful and uses the ball v.well, both complement each other.

Xhaka was the reason we sold Coq,he was believed to be an upgrade( Swizz and Mochenglach captain).

I remembered when Wenger paired Xhaka and Coq after carzola's injury, Xhaka as usual sits deep and doesn't move, Coq who is more Mobile though lacks good forward play was saddled with the carzola role but performed woefully and that was the beginning of his end..

I didn't like his sale.

Coq and Carzola have been the best pair in recent years..
Xhaka with carzola,Torreira,Ramsey,Guen,Willock hasn't impressed enough IMO.

So a Carzola like and a tall strong Coq is needed to sweet the middle.

Bro, no be only you o. In fact, that season I rated it personally as my best season counting from our first first fa cup success. We even won fa cup again that season I remember. That season was so so dope. Coq-caz-ozil. Mehn, midfield set.
Until the next season Wenger fúcked everything up and moved coq forward the way sarri moved Kante. That just killed everything about coquelin. Xhaka they moved coquelin for in that role have never impressed ever since.

Fans pick for ARSENAL vs West Ham United tomorrow.

Have your say and what do you think about it

BlueRayDick:


Bros why?

You quoted my initial post pointing it out that my submissions are invalid when I called for the sale of Xhaka because his contribution to the game in the middle of the park is below par( At times Guendouzi a 4cking 20 year old bests him in the middle). I clearly stated the fact that Xhaka has not really being the midfielder we all crave for until the role of Auxillary leftback was specifically carved out for him under arteta, you disagreed.

In order to make it seem he was being judged unfairly, you posited :

" There is a reason why Xhaka has always been on the first team since his U17 days in Nigeria for Switzerland to his time at FC Basel, to Borrusia Mgb , and Arsenal all under Wenger, Emery and now Arteta.

He may not be the super star midfield maestro, but he does bring value to his team


Now the same you has proposed that we all agree he just doesn't fit into arsenal playing style. Bros, Is that not the same thing as XHAKA IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ARSENAL? Now is it not only sensible to sell a player whose style doesn't suit the team and get one whose style does?

Why did it take you this long to agree?

I actually conceded based on the point I made that every player is upgradedable which includes Xhaka. So if any manager chooses to replace him with a better midfielder, I have no issues with that. But to say Xhaka isn't good enough to play for us is a fallacy.

Spy360:

I actually conceded based on the point I made that every player is upgradedable which includes Xhaka. So if any manager chooses to replace him with a better midfielder, I have no issues with that. But to say Xhaka isn't good enough to play for us is a fallacy.

Quick question ; Do u honestly think Arsenal can win the league with Xhaka playing DM all season long?

kokaneprodigy:
Any serious manager will bin Xhaka and Guen in the next TW and get a solid DM while retaining Ceb. With the number of CBS we now have and with Saliba coming I see no reason we can’t add Luiz to the DM role in some games. That way we have four potential DMs going into the next season.

Sell Laca get a Left winger that Saka can deputize for while Mati deputizes for Auba. We then splash on that AM position. Next we win the EPL going unbeaten again.

Spot on bro

Kbs468:
Fans pick for ARSENAL vs West Ham United tomorrow.

Have your say and what do you think about it

Nice...
But we all know Arteta won't play Auba through the middle
His golden boy Nketiah is there

BlueRayDick:


Quick question ; Do u honestly think Arsenal can win the league with Xhaka playing DM all season long?

In a double pivot, yes. For Xhaka the formation of play matters. He needs a baller winner like Kante etc near him while he orchestrates play with his superior passing.

Spy360:

In a double pivot, yes. For Xhaka the formation of play matters. He needs a baller winner like Kante etc near him while he orchestrates play with his superior passing.

We've seen a ball winner like Torreira play alongside him winning all winnable balls, but that his superior ball passing ability how often have u seen it on display?

At what point did he display this attribute consistently that we all didn't notice?

If u ask me, Sincerely I think u are obsessed with Xhaka. You seem to have a believe he will reach some certain heights when he hasn't even left the floor.

BlueRayDick:


We've seen a ball winner like Torreira play alongside him winning all winnable balls, but that his superior ball passing ability how often have u seen it on display?

At what point did he display this attribute consistently that we all didn't notice?

If u ask me, Sincerely I think u are obsessed with Xhaka. You seem to have a believe he will reach some certain heights when he hasn't even left the floor.

The fact is I don't like Xhaka as he hasn't really been the player we expected. He isn't fitting well with the other squad members. But, that doesn't mean he is not a good footballer. To get the best of any footballer one has to consider the formation and style that he fits in. I think we haven't got what fits Xhaka, or rather Xhaka hasn't fitted to us.

He has his strong points (like his passing, he is known to be able to play out from defensive positions, and also he has a high passing accuracy) which though hasn't suited us as we wanted but can suit others teams based on their unique circumstances. Else, why has he consistently been regarded as first team by various managers and even made captain for every team he has played with- club and country?

So we either ship Xhaka and get the type of player we want or we get the type of players that he fits with.

Spy360:

The fact is I don't like Xhaka as he hasn't really been the player we expected. He isn't fitting well with the other squad members. But, that doesn't mean he is not a good footballer. To get the best of any footballer one has to consider the formation and style that he fits in. I think we haven't got what fits Xhaka, or rather Xhaka hasn't fitted to us.

He has his strong points (like his passing, he is known to be able to play out from defensive positions, and also he has a high passing accuracy) which though hasn't suited us as we wanted but can suit others teams based on their unique circumstances. Else, why has he consistently been regarded as first team by various managers and even made captain for every team he has played with- club and country?

So we either ship Xhaka and get the type of player we want or we get the type of players that he fits with.

the former is a cheaper option. Ship him

kokaneprodigy:
the former is a cheaper option. Ship him

Abi!

It's a no brainer. Why start looking for players that will suit the style of play of a particular player when the said player is not named Ronaldo or Messi. Even Juventus didn't turn their team upside down for Ronaldo to keep scoring every week.

Don't mind spy, he's just clutching at claws. He was trying to defend Xhaka but having found out no Xhaka defence will hold water, he's now giving far fetched answers like the club getting players that will play to Xhaka's stranght ( àbí na weakness sef) which he knows is absolutely impossible.
We've said it over and over again, Xhaka will most probably get a starting shirt at Arsenal being the only midfielder with his body physique till an alternative is acquired, but that doesn't make Xhaka good enough.

Spy360:

The fact is I don't like Xhaka as he hasn't really been the player we expected. He isn't fitting well with the other squad members. But, that doesn't mean he is not a good footballer. To get the best of any footballer one has to consider the formation and style that he fits in. I think we haven't got what fits Xhaka, or rather Xhaka hasn't fitted to us.

He has his strong points (like his passing, he is known to be able to play out from defensive positions, and also he has a high passing accuracy) which though hasn't suited us as we wanted but can suit others teams based on their unique circumstances. Else, why has he consistently been regarded as first team by various managers and even made captain for every team he has played with- club and country?

So we either ship Xhaka and get the type of player we want or we get the type of players that he fits with.

Bros I play amateur football quite well as a teenager. I didn't end up playing football as a professional because I was doing well academically and my parents would have none of the irresponsibility that trailed most local players.

You see, coaches start players for different reasons. It is not every player u see on the pitch that are the best in their position in the team.

That Xhaka starts under Wenger, Emery, Ljunberg and under Arteta doesn't mean he is the best player in that DM role in the team. There are so many considerations that could have led to that decision. Since Alex song left that DM role, we haven't had any physical player to step into that role. Coquelin was short. We had paid good money for Xhaka who is 6 ft 0in as against song who left that is 6 ft 1 in. Xhaka was the only option. Considering the fact that we haven't invested in any DM afterwards, it is only normal for all coaches to stick with the physical Xhaka till they get money to cop another DM with his stature but more of a ball aying DM; not one who wants to stay in North London and pass the pass to Sambisa forest.

This is why I hope and pray out of the funds that will be made available to Arteta, he should get a DM and sell off Xhaka to recoup a part of the cost instead of continually managing Xhaka

Kbs468:
Fans pick for ARSENAL vs West Ham United tomorrow.

Have your say and what do you think about it

I will switch Gabi and Auba .... Nelson ahead of Pepe.

BlueRayDick:


Bros I play amateur football quite well as a teenager. I didn't end up playing football as a professional because I was doing well academically and my parents would have none of the irresponsibility that trailed most local players.

You see, coaches start players for different reasons. It is not every player u see on the pitch that are the best in their position in the team.

That Xhaka starts under Wenger, Emery, Ljunberg and under Arteta doesn't mean he is the best player in that DM role in the team. There are so many considerations that could have led to that decision. Since Alex song left that DM role, we haven't had any physical player to step into that role. Coquelin was short. We had paid good money for Xhaka who is 6 ft 0in as against song who left that is 6 ft 1 in. Xhaka was the only option. Considering the fact that we haven't invested in any DM afterwards, it is only normal for all coaches to stick with the physical Xhaka till they get money to cop another DM with his stature but more of a ball aying DM; not one who wants to stay in North London and pass the pass to Sambisa forest.

This is why I hope and pray out of the funds that will be made available to Arteta, he should get a DM and sell off Xhaka to recoup a part of the cost instead of continually managing Xhaka

I strongly doubt Arteta will sell Xhaka.

In the first place attaching Xhaka's name to DM is not correct because he is not a DM even though he is made to play the role at times. He is more a passer like Jorginho of Chelsea.

Arteta can get a proper DM to pair with him but not to replace him. That's why I made the point of getting players to fit with him. To replace him, we will need an higher version of a box to box midfielder. You can help us by suggesting one.

Spy360:

I strongly doubt Arteta will sell Xhaka.

In the first place attaching Xhaka's name to DM is not correct because he is not a DM even though he is made to play the role at times. He is more a passer like Jorginho of Chelsea.

Arteta can get a proper DM to pair with him but not to replace him. That's why I made the point of getting players to fit with him. To replace him, we will need an higher version of a box to box midfielder. You can help us by suggesting one.

The club has scouts paid to do that job already. No be scout go find Pablo Mari come out?