kingxsamz:
Why create Satan?

It's a simple question which requires a straight forward answer, so no need to beat around the bush.
First, God is Omniscient and therefore knows events which will take place even before they happen.
Now, before God created Lucifer, he definitely would have known that lucifer would be the villian in his plot.
God definitely knew that he was going to create a human in which this same lucifer would tempt, and this human would fall for it, and as a result of that, evil would be born into the world in which he had created, and this evil will lead to the suffering of humans, death and sin.

Now, if God is omniscient, he would have prevented all these right from the start.

But since he didn't, I think it's okay to arrive to the conclusion that all these had been God's plan right from the beginning.
The suffering, killing, death and sin was all planned and set up by him.
This was his purpose all along, and therefore every single one of us is acting a script.
He knows the number of people that will end up in hell and those who will ascend to heaven...
No one forced him to do all these, he did it by himself. He gave humans freewill, that's after he did nothing to end Satan's existence to prevent any further damage to his plans and creations.
A logical question would be, why has God not killed Satan? Yet believers keep praying day and night, praying for Satan and his demons to die, whereas it was God's plan right from the onset.

Things to note: If God didn't know about the damage Satan would bring to his creations, then he's not omniscient.
If God knew right from the beginning and chose not to do anything about it, then he's not an all loving God, but a God who derives joy in the suffering of humans.
Either way you see it, he's not one of those two things, and since he's not, then you have been lied to your whole life.

Before you respond with some verse in the bible, ponder on these questions, and reason logically with your mind.

Also note: this is not an assertion that God exists. It's just a way to approach the topic of his existence based on the Christian view, in order to further debunk the claims of his existence.
You're welcome to contribute.

Mynd44
Seun
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cruxgemmata:
He had to. He created everthing in twos.

Male and female
Good and evil
Heaven and hell
Angels and........
Etc etc

peggywebbs:
The simple fact that you don't know the answer to this question..shows that there is a lot you don't know and you can't know about God. It's just beyond your level of understanding. The human mind is limited and that's your answer.

alicestockings:
satan is part of the quaternity:

The father, the son, the holy spirit, the devil. God did not create satan, so much as satan is just another aspect of God.

Bacteriologist:
What kind of a God creates his own enemy?

And then kills his own son to appease himself for the atrocities of his enemy?

Think. I'm talking to the intelligent person. Think about this? Why doesn't god just kill Satan and end it all? Why all this jamboree?

If someone offends you, do you kill your child to please yourself or make peace? Think. It is the same reason why Tom cannot kill Jerry. Why Batman cannot kill Joker.

If he does the story is over. Religion is a cop out. Think.

kingxsamz:

If I knew, I wouldn't be asking.
Now, since you know, kindly adress the issue.
And please, if you don't have any logical answer to my questions, please you can kindly exit the thread. it's not by force to comment.

kingxsamz:

Exactly.
Show's over once the villian is no more.

Bacteriologist:
What kind of a God creates his own enemy?

And then kills his own son to appease himself for the atrocities of his enemy?

Think. I'm talking to the intelligent person. Think about this? Why doesn't god just kill Satan and end it all? Why all this jamboree?

If someone offends you, do you kill your child to please yourself or make peace? Think. It is the same reason why Tom cannot kill Jerry. Why Batman cannot kill Joker.

If he does the story is over. Religion is a cop out. Think.

peggywebbs:

So there is no way you can know why Satan was created because our minds can't answer a lot of things beyond our physical environment.

kingxsamz:


Sorry, but are you trying to confuse me or yourself?
Our minds cannot answer things beyond our physical environment, but yet you claim that there is hell and heaven and a God who sits on a throne in the sky.
And if you were told God doesn't exist, you would argue till your last breath.
But here you are claiming you don't know why Satan was created because our knowledge is only limited to things that are physical...
Smh...

peggywebbs: .

Why? You and I don't know anything about anything outside of the world we live in and the universe around us. Does that make heaven less real or non-existent?

peggywebbs:
We can't know by our own understanding unless you allow God show you.

kingxsamz:


No, it doesn't make it less real, it makes it a total myth, made-up, unreal and yes nonexistent hogwash.

"It doesn't make it less real my dear. There have been lots and lots of encounters with life after death."


Imagine I told you unicorns existed, although I've not seen one, would you believe me?

kingxsamz:


So why hasn't God shown you the reason why he created Satan?

peggywebbs:

Well, if you really were intelligent you will understand what the bible means about God sacrificing his own son.

peggywebbs:

Let's just use Nigeria as a case study. When someone comes out to challenge the government, see what happens.

peggywebbs:

Jesus came to the earth to tell the world he is the King and that there is a father in heaven that is supreme. What do you expect people to do to him.

peggywebbs:

God knew that the world was wicked and would not accept such news. Jesus said I would go ahead and let them know the truth so many can be saved.

peggywebbs:

Now that's called sacrifice.

peggywebbs:

They both knew that Jesus would be killed by the evil people on the earth when he declared his message but the good news had to be spread. Now, that shows how much God loves us. He, knew the price Jesus would pay for saving us but he still hoped that we would change.

peggywebbs:

Now, when you read your bible, try and think of what happens today in the world. It's exactly the same thing. You just choose to interpret it differently.

peggywebbs:

For one because I never asked. I don't think I'm concerned about it though.

Why?

It's not important to me. In fact, coming by your thread was the first time I actually looked at that question.

You know what again?

Tomorrow I'm still going to forget about it because there's so much I'm looking forward to and Satan is not even on my to do list...lol

peggywebbs:


"Yes unicorns exist and so do pergasus horses. Mermaids, fairies, goblins and a lot of supernatural creatures". It's not a myth. It's the supernatural. It can't make sense in a physical world but that doesn't make them unreal"

Bacteriologist:





If god loved us, he would not have to kill anyone. No bloodshed. No demands. No "obey me or burn forever." He would live up to his own word and forgive his enemy. He would not throw anyone into hell.

kingxsamz:


You're making a mistake oh...
One of her fellow believer claimed hellfire doesn't exit.
Confused lots

Cc firstnebo

Bacteriologist:



I guess we have to ask each Christian what their own idea of God/Heaven/Hell is before we begin arguing with them.

Same Bible but different interpretations. Different level of delusions. They can't even agree amongst themselves what is what; which delusion they accept in the Bible. And they expect atheists to take them seriously.

Confused lots.

Bacteriologist:


Well if you really were intelligent you will understand the Bible was written by goat herders in the dark ages where we, for instance, has no idea where the sun went at night.

Now let me correct you. The world as at when the bible was written was not illiterate. They had scribes, they had literate people who had learnt languages and written books. There were philosophers, teachers, lawyers etc. They understood how the cosmos worked. If you take time to watch discovery channel, you will see how they studied the seasons, the days, months. They knew everything and trust me, our technology today is built on the knowledge that was gathered from the past. So no, they were not goat herders.





Yes, in a system where nothing works and totalitarianism and dictatorship is the norm questions are frowned upon.


Well, it wasn't all in all a dictatorship. They had laws, they had rights, they had an organized system. Just as we have today. But no government likes a revolution. It's seen as weakness.


In a saner clime, however, that is not the case. Doubt is never criminalized, questions and opposing views are actually welcomed so far it is done within the limits of civility.


Don't justify nothing. No leader is willing to welcome any views. It's again seen as weakness. They did not care that Jesus did not come with weapons and they did not even care that he wasn't concerned about politics. He was talking about God and heaven.


I expect people to treat him like a deranged fraudster that hebactually was. That's if he ever existed anyway.


So, you say that it was right for King Herod to order the killings of all the little babies born because of the fear that a King was to be born? Or you forget, the reason he was hated was because of the prophecies of his coming? Hmm.

if you claim to be a king you are supposed to be able to provide evidence to back up your claims that you're making. In the absence of that -exactly what your Jesus did- it is called impersonating.

Well he did. The question is what type of King. Jesus spoke about the kingdom of heaven. He spoke about world after this. He performed signs, wonders and you still did not believe. What else did you want him to show you. A certificate of ordination as a King?

And it is a serious crime.

It wasn't. He did not carry any weapons. He did not call for protests. He did not cause mutiny and he never challenged the government. He told the people to obey the law.



Sure. if demanding evidence for a claim you make is "wickedness" then wickedness is actually a good thing.


No, I'm not making any claim. I'm just saying my own.


Saved from what? From what God would do to them. Cast them into hell.

Well, God isn't going to do anything to anyone. We have been given free will. You are the one who says why did God not get rid of Satan. Well there are many Satan's. Those who don't repent and continue to do evil things definitely carry a Satan spirit, so like you wished, they will be cast away. Jesus came to tell mankind that there was more to life than w e know. He came to let us know the merciful and kind nature of God. He preached love and righteousness, repentance and judgement.


A loving god would sacrifice his own son as a collateral damage and escape from what he would do to his own creation. Does that make sense?

God did not kill his son. And we are also his children. Man killed his son, just as we still kill good people in our day. So many great people gone, why? Sacrifice.


By the way; if Jesus volunteered, it doesn't sound like a bad deal either.

Yes he volunteered, and that is the grace that we enjoy today. When we sin, we get to confess our sins and try to be good.

Jesus didn't die, did he, he only had a weekend vacation in the grave fighting the same Satan.


Now if only you understood the symbolism of his death. He fulfilled his purpose.


After which he had a greater power than a previously did.

Now, you read too much science fiction. Jesus has always been powerful. When he became spirit, he obviously took on his mantle. Question is do you have superpowers now? I dare you to make a mug move with your eyes. Well you can't because you are human. Now when Jesus came to earth, he was just like you and I.


If I have been existing for eternity and someone asked me to take 33 years off just to be a human and die for 2 days after which I would have greater power. I would happily take it.

Yeah. I'm sure you think you will be by mega thanos. Well you are human, who says you won't have powers in your spirit form.


So Jesus didn't do anything particularly special. So save me that rhetoric.

That's what you think. He did a lot and is still doing a lot more. You will see at the right time.



No it's not. It's called taking the weekend off and coming back more powerfully and getting the better for it. Jesus didn't do anything spectacular.

Think again and see if you have really convinced yourself. No, I don't think you agree with yourself.


If god loved us, he would not have to kill anyone. No bloodshed. No demands. No "obey me or burn forever." He would live up to his own word and forgive his enemy. He would not throw anyone into hell.

There's something I always say. God is not a genie. You don't expect him to snap his fingers everytime someone commits murder, rapes a child, burns people alive, hacks people, steal etc. Now, if you were God ,how would you like to be the cleaning lady. We have to do the work, we have to be good, we have obey authority or else there will be anarchy. So what you say can't be achievable. The slate can't be wiped clean. We have to make a choice to be good and that's the test we face here on earth.





Your god, if he exists is a hideous evil monster who cannot live by example. Tells people to pray for their enemies but can't forgive his own enemy.

God exists. The fact that you don't agree with his ways doesn't mean his a monster. You can't know better than your creator my dear.


You do not get to tell me what or how to do anything. Certainly not how to read that incredibly perverted slave manual called the Bible. A book that endorses misogyny and wholesale genocidal cleansing is the last thing I need advice on how to interpret it.

The bible is a compilation of of an age long history, that traces our genealogy. Whether you like the contents in it or not, does not change the fact that those things happened. It is who we are and where we come from. It is our origin. It is a book that brutally lays it out as it is. The good, the bad and the ugly part of us. You can't change history but you can change your story. You can choose love and righteousness, a kind heart and eternity through Jesus Christ"

kingxsamz:


So Satan created itself?
Or Satan had always existed like God?
Can your fellow believers back you up on this?

kingxsamz:

Satan is not on your to do list yet every Sunday you folks cast and bind him, giving him the attention you claim not to have for him.

Well, do me a favor and kindly exit the thread.
This thread is only meant for those who have asked and have answers. it's totally unreasonable for you to come in here and answer my question with "I don't know".

Thank you.

peggywebbs:


Now let me correct you. The world as at when the bible was written was not illiterate. They had scribes, they had literate people who had learnt languages and written books. There were philosophers, teachers, lawyers etc.

peggywebbs:

They understood how the cosmos worked. If you take time to watch discovery channel, you will see how they studied the seasons, the days, months.

peggywebbs:

They knew everything and trust me, our technology today is built on the knowledge that was gathered from the past.

peggywebbs:

So no, they were not goat herders.

peggywebbs:


Well, it wasn't all in all a dictatorship. They had laws, they had rights, they had an organized system. Just as we have today. But no government likes a revolution. It's seen as weakness.

peggywebbs:

Don't justify nothing. No leader is willing to welcome any views. It's again seen as weakness. They did not care that Jesus did not come with weapons and they did not even care that he wasn't concerned about politics. He was talking about God and heaven.

peggywebbs:

So, you say that it was right for King Herod to order the killings of all the little babies born because of the fear that a King was to be born? Or you forget, the reason he was hated was because of the prophecies of his coming? Hmm.

peggywebbs:

Well he did. The question is what type of King. Jesus spoke about the kingdom of heaven. He spoke about world after this. He performed signs, wonders and you still did not believe. What else did you want him to show you. A certificate of ordination as a King?

peggywebbs:

It wasn't. He did not carry any weapons. He did not call for protests. He did not cause mutiny and he never challenged the government. He told the people to obey the law.

peggywebbs:

No, I'm not making any claim. I'm just saying my own.

peggywebbs:

Well, God isn't going to do anything to anyone. We have been given free will. You are the one who says why did God not get rid of Satan. Well there are many Satan's. Those who don't repent and continue to do evil things definitely carry a Satan spirit, so like you wished, they will be cast away.

peggywebbs:

[s]Jesus came to tell mankind that there was more to life than w e know. He came to let us know the merciful and kind nature of God. He preached love and righteousness, repentance and judgement. [/s]

peggywebbs:

God did not kill his son. And we are also his children. Man killed his son, just as we still kill good people in our day. So many great people gone, why? Sacrifice.

peggywebbs:

[s]Yes he volunteered, and that is the grace that we enjoy today. When we sin, we get to confess our sins and try to be good. [/s]

peggywebbs:

[s] Now if only you understood the symbolism of his death. He fulfilled his purpose.[/s]

peggywebbs:

Now, you read too much science fiction. Jesus has always been powerful.

peggywebbs:

When he became spirit, he obviously took on his mantle. Question is do you have superpowers now? I dare you to make a mug move with your eyes. Well you can't because you are human. Now when Jesus came to earth, he was just like you and I.

peggywebbs:

[s] Yeah. I'm sure you think you will be by mega thanos. Well you are human, who says you won't have powers in your spirit form.[s]

peggywebbs:

That's what you think. He did a lot and is still doing a lot more. You will see at the right time.

peggywebbs:

Think again and see if you have really convinced yourself. No, I don't think you agree with yourself.

peggywebbs:

There's something I always say. God is not a genie.

peggywebbs:

You don't expect him to snap his fingers everytime someone commits murder, rapes a child, burns people alive, hacks people, steal etc.

peggywebbs:

Now, if you were God ,how would you like to be the cleaning lady. We have to do the work, we have to be good, we have obey authority or else there will be anarchy.

peggywebbs:

So what you say can't be achievable. The slate can't be wiped clean. We have to make a choice to be good and that's the test we face here on earth.

peggywebbs:

God exists.

peggywebbs:

The fact that you don't agree with his ways doesn't mean his a monster.

peggywebbs:

You can't know better than your creator my dear.

peggywebbs:

The bible is a compilation of of an age long history, that traces our genealogy.

peggywebbs:

Whether you like the contents in it or not, does not change the fact that those things happened.

peggywebbs:

It is who we are and where we come from. It is our origin. It is a book that brutally lays it out as it is.

peggywebbs:

The good, the bad and the ugly part of us. You can't change history but you can change your story.

peggywebbs:

You can choose love and righteousness, a kind heart and eternity through Jesus Christ"

Bacteriologist: