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Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Ranchhoddas: 9:31pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Probably. It does not make it any less romantic. You possibly might get an in into the kingdom. Time is a snitch, let's not worry, time certainly will tellThis reminds of song from the series "Empire" I don't even believe that the kingdom is real. I dont seem to understand what this "I dey sorry for even Christmas fowl wey dem wan kill" remark. What's that all about please?You don't understand pidgin? You be Ajebutter? I mean that my empathy is large and cuts across species. I wish I could stop animals from being gruesomely murdered everyday for food. You can know this from reading about it in the bible. It's written in red and white Ranchhoddas.Red letter edition? I'm sure there is a copy somewhere in my house. There are a lot of things in the Bible that make a person suspicious. Yesterday I stumbled on Zechariah 8:23. Want to explain it? Seems to me like another sick for atheists to flog Christians with. I don't think they are aware of it yet. Rachhhoddas, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, Heathenism, ATR etceteraDitto for wickedness Tell Ranchhoddas, do you ever ask about someone's belief or unbelief first, before offering them help or assistance?What about belief in Jesus? There are many people on here would disagree with you. Reading about it in the bible sure is comforting and certainly makes one feel rightBefore nko? Why do you think religion is called the opium of the people? Guess exactly what Ranchhoddas, just like the word "mouse", the word "religion" too has changed its meaning from what it originally was. It has changed from when it used to be about benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need. Its changed from when it used to be associated with the word compassionReligion like every other tool, evolves according to the whims of its controllers. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:42pm On Jan 13, 2019 |
[quote author=Ranchhoddas post=74734448][/quote] Let them know,Mr I Am Confident. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 12:15am On Jan 14, 2019 |
Ranchhoddas:True, but thought you earlier were scoffing at it Ranchhoddas:Why? Put a finger on what makes you even not believe that the kingdom is real Ranchhoddas:I sabi pidgin now, na just the way you come yarn that lingo nahin throwe me Ranchhoddas:I bin Ajebutter slash Ajepako, crime no dey for that Ranchhoddas:Animals are not murdered for food, but correctly put, are killed for food consumption. You do know eating animals for food, wasnt part of the original plan for man, dont you? Man, in the beginning, started life out as a vegan Ranchhoddas:No, but when you read passages in the bible written in red and white, as in words are written with red ink, it means, that is Jesus talking or saying something Ranchhoddas:How and why is this a weapon handy to flog with? Ranchhoddas:Wickedness is the absence of empathy and/or compassion Ranchhoddas:"An expert in the Law of Moses stood up and asked Jesus a question to see what He would say. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to have eternal life?"" - Luke 10:25 Yeah, what about belief in Jesus? How do you mean, what about belief in Jesus? Never mind, those two preceded, are rhetorical questions, but Ranchhhoddas, are you familiar with and understand that reproduced above Luke 10:25? Ranchhoddas:For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it. - Matthew 7:14 Ranchhoddas, never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream, besides, you know me by now, I am a one man MOPOL. I dont go where the path may lead, I go instead, where there is no path and leave a trail. It is not the first subject and certainly wouldnt be the last many people on here would disagree on with me. Recent would be, Ihedinobi3, he didn't share my view, which if you have been tracking the conversations between him and I on this thread, you would have noticed. He disagreed with me, definitely because he was paying attention to my finger, focusing on it and so missed seeing that, I was pointing at. Remember the thread is captioned "How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion" and my contribution beamed a light on the area of darkness frosbel2 raised with the topic. Ranchhoddas, the narrow path, is less travelled by. No wonder, Thomas Dewar, once famously remarked: "There is no traffic congestion on the straight and narrow path" Ranchhoddas:You havent enthusiastically taken in this yet Ranchhoddas. Or should I share more to Luke 10:25 above? There is more than one flavour that gives one, a free pass into the Kingdom and/or a "get out of jail" card you know. I can share the bible passages, if curious. Ranchhoddas:It is organised religion(s), like for example, Christianity, that is called the opium of the people, and not empathy and/or compassion, that is pure, true and without faults Ranchhoddas Ranchhoddas:Religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera, and so football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion for some is a religion and atheism too funnily enough, as well, is a religion but nobody, not even you Ranchhoddas, can find a fault in empathy and/or with compassion |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Ranchhoddas: 2:55pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Lack of evidence is a good reason I would think. I sabi pidgin now, na just the way you come yarn that lingo nahin throwe meI come dey wonder. Animals are not murdered for food, but correctly put, are killed for food consumption. You do know eating animals for food, wasnt part of the original plan for man, dont you? Man, in the beginning, started life out as a vegan"Kill", "Murder" What's the difference? Are you presenting Jewish fables as real historical facts? No, but when you read passages in the bible written in red and white, as in words are written with red ink, it means, that is Jesus talking or saying somethingI know this. How and why is this a weapon handy to flog with?Sounds like a false prophecy, not unlike the one found in Isaiah 4:1 -- another conveniently abandoned by Bible apologists. Wickedness is the absence of empathy and/or compassionWayo wan start again. They are antonyms "An expert in the Law of Moses stood upI am. And I understand it, as long as we are taking it at face value. Ranchhoddas, never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream, besides, you know me by now, I am a one man MOPOL. I dont go where the path may lead, I go instead, where there is no path and leave a trail. It is not the first subject and certainly wouldnt be the last many people on here would disagree on with me. Recent would be, Ihedinobi3, he didn't share my view, which if you have been tracking the conversations between him and I on this thread, you would have noticed. He disagreed with me, definitely because he was paying attention to my finger, focusing on it and so missed seeing that, I was pointing at. Remember the thread is captioned "How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion" and my contribution beamed a light on the area of darkness frosbel2 raised with the topic.There are many roads less travelled. Charles T. Russell, Ellen G. White, Ron. L Hubbard, Osho to name a few have also made statements like yours. Does this mean they are all right? You are not the first "one man mopol". You will not be the last. If there are are 10 straight and narrow ways how do know you are on the right way. There is the straight and narrow and there is the right way (I presume). Don't mix things up. You havent enthusiastically taken in this yet Ranchhoddas. Or should I share more to Luke 10:25 above? There is more than one flavour that gives one, a free pass into the Kingdom and/or a "get out of jail" card you know. I can share the bible passages, if curious.I have been hearing this since I could hear. If I was more enthusiastic I would be a pastor. It is organised religion(s), like for example, it is Christianity, that is called the opium of the people, and not empathy and/or compassion, that is pure, true and without faults RanchhoddasI only have your word for this. Religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera, and so football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion for some is a religion and atheism too funnily enough, as well, is a religion but nobody, not even you Ranchhoddas, can find a fault in empathy and/or with compassionYou don start again ooo. Tell me, no ambiguity, what religion do you practice? |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 11:08pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
OK. MuttleyLaff: 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by sonmvayina(m): 11:10pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
We went to our ancestors for answers.. 1 Like
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Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 11:18pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina:[img]https://s3/images/3xsmhp.gif[/img] Smh. How far back, lol? Grandpa, great grandpa, great great grandpa or what? 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by sonmvayina(m): 11:20pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Stop making a fool of yourself... From the 5th parents back... |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 11:21pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Why dont you say just that in front of a mirror, lol, mister ancestors worship |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 12:07am On Mar 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Mr white man's god worshipper, lol. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 12:23am On Mar 09, 2020 |
Yes, and there's no repentance in the grave as well Originakalokalo: |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 12:52am On Mar 09, 2020 |
frosbel2:Mister frosbel2, you miss road, you bin carry yur cloth for repair, you carry am go for shoe-maker, lol. Gorilla, when run from bush, come enter Lagos, and enter bus, hin miss road, oh yes, hin miss road and hin go cause confusion. Mister frosbel2, you miss yur road, so don't come my way I beg una. Don't come my way, lol, with you spinning that your "... white man's god ..." ignorant line. Mister frosbel2, shey white man, oyinbo pepper, dey for Africa ni or the Middle East sef for that matter ni, hmm? |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 12:52am On Mar 09, 2020 |
Originakalokalo: Bodydialect57:Please to see you drop in here and jump on this, lol. Here's are my reservations 1/ Do you agree with the alarmist Originakalokalo that my comment is a doctrine of the devils, lol? 2/ Please show me where in the Bible, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, it says there is no repentance after death or in the grave. Hmm? 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 1:00am On Mar 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Eons prior to the arrival of the slave traders and colonialists who brought death , destruction and of course the BIBLE , we had our own religion, imperfect as it was; we believed in the one god and though you could argue that there were a number of despicable practices, we should have been able to reform the system and improve our mode of worship without recourse to a total abandonment of our way of life. That’s why the black man lacks originality, he lives a copycat life style whereas other races retain their tradition and culture , though they may borrow a few virtues from others. ISLAM and Christianity are NOVEL to Sub-Saharan Africa; we have inadvertently exchanged our own culture and religion with foreign ones and the result is there for all to see ; confusion, mayhem and spiritual anarchy. Nigeria is evidence that religion is fake and a big farce. 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 1:39am On Mar 09, 2020 |
frosbel2:[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-1-484fe370c498.gif[/img] Pull the other leg, its got bells on it frosbel2:You know that they say that somethings are better left unsaid. You didn't have to say, what you did. Now why not have a box of tissues while you cry me a crocodile tears river |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:17pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
I have never been an attendee/ student in the classroom of the devils, so how do l know what is taught there? Lols My position on this as you well know is that when a living man, who has heard of the gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ, refuses to believe in Him, if such should die in unbelief, there's no more room for repentance in the grave. MuttleyLaff: |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:29pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Bodydialect57: All your ancestors who were not preached to for over 2000 years , are all in hell fire now burning with unquenchable fire. Beware lest you also commit one teeny-tiny sin and be cast into outer darkness for all eternity. Useless man manufactured religion.... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:31pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: My friend , leaving your cult is the best decision any sane person can and will ever make. It is ridden with contradiction, confusion, anarchy, hypcocrisy and foolishness. Dont waste the best part of your youth worshipping a foreign god who your ancestors never knew. 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:41pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Hey, Please do leave my ancestors to face the judgment of the JUST God. What you should be more concerned with is your placement in eternity, having heard the gospel, and deliberately rejecting it. What will be your excuse before the JUST God? frosbel2: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:57pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Bodydialect57: Take your fearmongering elsewhere , works only on brainwashed kids. Use your Jesus to FIX Nigeria. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 10:06pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Fear not, frosbel2. The door of God's mercy is still wide open for your use. Its an advice, take it or leave it. frosbel2: 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by StrikeBack(m): 11:39pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
5 pages and no solid straightforward answer |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Mar 10, 2020 |
frosbel2:"Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful." - 1 Corinthians 1:27 My friend, I belong in no cult. Oh yeah, of course, God allowed the contradiction, confusion, anarchy, hypcocrisy and foolishness to confound smart-arses, lol frosbel2:What is the name of the god you know and/or your ancestors knew, that's to be worshipped? 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 7:45am On Mar 10, 2020 |
Christ is just the model God set as a perfect example for those who will live forever in Paradise, those who are married should learn to stick to their wives/husbands and the singles should be prepared to get married if they're not part of the born again Christians having heavenly prospect. All those who will inherit Paradise will have their spouses just as Adam and Eve were in the beginning! So those who had no opportunity of learning all these will be granted the privilege of resurrection to be educated, if they lived as prisoners of conscience in their first life, all their good deeds will be of use only for the resurrection. But whoever lived as a wicked person with no conscience will be totally forgotten during the resurrection of the dead. So when the Bible said "there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous it simply means:- Those who already knew God's standards and strived to live by it (RIGHTEOUS) Those who never knew God's standards but lived by conscience (UNRIGHTEOUS) Those who lived by conscience will be termed as unrighteous because they didn't know the righteousness of God but tried to be virtuous to the best of their ability! So whether a person lived before or after Christ, the bottom line is he must be a good person to gain the ticket to Paradise, but all those who rejected Jesus thinking their virtuous deeds is enough will never be remembered, because they've rejected the one and only model to imitate in order to gain God's approval for everlasting life! |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 8:37am On Mar 10, 2020 |
StrikeBack:"12Here's the Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them. 13People who merely listen to laws from God don't have God's approval. Rather, people who do what those laws demand will have God's approval. 14For example, whenever non-Jews who don't have laws from God do by nature the things that Moses' Teachings contain, they are a law to themselves even though they don't have any laws from God. 15They show that some requirements found in Moses' Teachings are written in their hearts. Their consciences speak to them. Their thoughts accuse them on one occasion and defend them on another. 16This happens as they face the day when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge people's secret thoughts. He will use the Good News that I am spreading to make that judgment." - Romans 2:12-16 The Black African are saved before Christ based on being judged by their conscience(s). 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:29am On Mar 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Oh wow, how sad, eiya, so you think only the white man or Jew worshipped the true God and all other races worshipped demons? Inferiority complex is a bad thing. Igbos worshipped Chukwu. Though the religion was imperfect, it still attributed creation, morality and providence to the ONE and ONLY True God. My ancestors did not need your Christianity to know this. When we worshipped Chukwu, there was common decency, higher levels of morality than you have today in so called churches ( more like pagan temples ). Again, the religion was not perfect, but there was general consensus in the existence of a single creator. Besides, if your HOLY BOOK teaches us how to live HOLY and provides us with the ability to do so, what is it with the wanton moral decadence amongst your born again folk. See Nigeria today, lol. Millions of bible believing Christians and yet gross darkness like never before. So much for your Jesus is light theory. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 9:35am On Mar 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: What about those who died after Christ ? It took over a millenia after the alleged resurrection, for our ancestors to hear of this strange saviour called Jesus , so what happened to them after death ? HELL or "The Black African are saved before Christ based on being judged by their conscience" theory still applies ?? So, if some are judged by their conscience and perhaps saved , what was the point of your JESUS , or are there various methods of salvation. Please don’t take me on a convoluted ramble, just provide logical reasoning for our benefit. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 10:20am On Mar 10, 2020 |
frosbel2:"23For as I walked around and examined your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore what you worship as something unknown, I now proclaim to you. 24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26From one ma He made every nation of men, to inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. 27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring. 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination. 30Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all peoplef everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.”" - Acts 17:23-31 Chukwu, is a product formed from two Igbo words Chi and Ukwu, that means great god. The Igbos, like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God frosbel2:Useful and informative 2 Chronicles 7:14 states: "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their 1 Like |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 10:24am On Mar 10, 2020 |
frosbel2:Yes, it does frosbel2:The point of JESUS, is there, to fulfill all righteousness. You wouldnt know anything about that, lol, so I expect this nugget, to swoosh fly over your head, as if, like its a Naija airforce fighter jet, lol. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 5:28pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Dear Sir, I don't need you reading an ancient Middle Eastern BOOK back to me, to confirm the God we believe in , or do not believe in. We believe there is ONE GOD because He is embedded in our ancient tradition , and not because some slave master told us about their Jesus. Besides the same people who introduced your hell bound ancestors (with their inferior traditions ( lol ) ) to Jesus, also engaged in world wide human trafficking ( slavery ) , genocide, resource pilage and dehumanisation of whole cultures. Says so much about the god they believe in SMH. I love how you Christians go on about holiness while throwing your support behind Trump - an adulterer, porn start fu....er, racist and liar . You guys have definitely missed road. Yes there is one GOD, but he is not confined within the 'realm' of your BS. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by Nobody: 5:32pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Nope, we do not need JESUS to be righteous. Look at Nigeria with all your 'righteous' Jesus minions, a total moral cesspit. Don't make me laugh. Righteousness is a practical walk in upright behaviour and a rejection of evil deeds. Even James said we need works to be saved, according to your bible. Fill in the gap. Faith without ----- is ----------. No prices for the correct answer unfortunately. |
Re: How Was The Black African Saved Before Christ - Discussion by MuttleyLaff: 6:53am On Mar 11, 2020 |
frosbel2:Dear Sir, the questions put before you are: 1a/ Who is the god you believe in? 1b/ Who is the God you believe in? 2a/ What is the name of the god you believe in? 2b/ What is the name of the God you believe in? frosbel2:Jesus Christ came into the world for just such that is an adulterer, porn start fu....er, racist and liar etcetera frosbel2:BS or tihsllub, BS or bull-vomit, BS or bull-pee, God isnt confined to any of all, lol. |
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