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Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 1:03pm On Mar 07, 2020 |
Recently, someone posted here about pastor Kumuyi of deeper life bible church (one of my many former churches) praying against corona virus. The OP said we should say AMEN to claim God's protection. But I told him that AMEN was/is an ancient Egyptian God. It was called AMEN the hidden one. On this thread, I just want to throw more light on the word ''AMEN'' based on what I've found. Amen, the very last word in the Bible, began as a Pagan word. Yet Christians, Jews and Muslims end their prayers, Scripture readings, and hymns by saying Amen as an expression of concurrence. They also say it to acknowledge their agreement or reinforce a statement that another person has said. This page attempts to explain why this word is used, even though it is of Pagan origin. Christians Christians say either 'Ahh-men' or 'Ay-men'. The 'Ahh-men' pronunciation tends to be a bit more formal and used in liturgy, choral music, etc. An example can be heard in the closing part of Handel's Messiah 'Worthy is the Lamb'2. The Ahh-men in the final chorus is repeated dozens of times, runs to six pages in a typical choral score, and usually takes around 3 minutes 40 seconds to sing. The 'Ay-men' pronunciation is often associated with evangelical Christians and gospel singing. Unlike Handel's Messiah, the gospel chorus 'Amen' has only five words, all the same (Ay----men, Ay----men, Ay----men, Ay-men, Ay--men.) yet can take much longer to perform as it is repeated over and over again, bringing the congregation into harmony. Jews For Jews, Amen is also an acronym for El Melech Ne'eman, which means "Mighty, Faithful King". Muslims Muslims use Amen (Amin or Ameen) in the same way as Christians and Jews, even though the word does not appear in the Qur'an. Muslims say it after reciting Surah al-Fatihah, after completing their prayers, at the end of letters, etc. Buddhists and Hindus Many Buddhists and Hindus also use Amen at the end of prayers and as concurrence in the same way as the other religions. But where did it all begin? Pagans From old Egyptian texts we can see that people regarded the Sun as the emblem of the Creator. They called the Sun Ra, and all other gods and goddesses were forms of the Creator. One of these gods was Amen; a secret, hidden and mysterious god named variously Amen, Amon, Amun, Ammon and Amounra. For the first eleven dynasties (c. 3000-1987 B.C.) Amen was just a minor god, but by the 17th dynasty (c. 1500 B.C.) he had been elevated to be the national god of southern Egypt. This position gave Amen the attributes and characteristics of the most ancient gods, and his name became Amen-Ra, that is, a supreme form of God the Creator. By the 18th Dynasty (1539-1295 B.C.) a college had been established to study Amen-Ra and as a focal point for worship. The Jews settled in Egypt for around 400 years4 from 1847 B.C. and during this sojourn there is no doubt they would have been fully exposed to the worship of Amen-Ra. By the time of their exodus from Egypt in 1447 B.C., Amen would certainly be in their language even if it was not their god. It would be a word that had associations with reverence and majesty. This is not difficult to understand. People still talk about Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha, and often use those names completely out of context as expletives. Amen was seen as a powerful god and the name continued, out of context, as an exclamation or salutation; a classic example of language evolution. From the Jews, the word was adopted by Christians, Muslims and others. So Amen was originally the name of a Pagan god, who was considered a form of God the Creator. But he was certainly not considered God, or Christ. Interestingly, most Pagans today tend not to use the word, preferring instead to say "So mote it be", an old Anglo-Saxon term. Perhaps they see the word Amen in the Bible and the Tanakh and don't want to be associated with Christianity or the like. Indeed, in the Bible3 we see Jesus Christ referred to as "The Amen". Christ is God's Amen to all that he has spoken. Thereby the name used for an old Egyptian god is replaced by the same name used for Christ. Like many other words used in religion, (or art, mathematics, medicine, etc) it's easy to believe that our ancestors saw no point in creating new vocabulary when existing and familar words could be recycled. Yet some people are vehemently protective of things and believe Amen is a Biblical word which is also found in the Tanakh and in Islam, and happens to sound like the name of a Pagan god. Others believe it is an Islamic word that can also be found in the Bible and Tanakh. And so on. The whole issue is hotly debated and any Pagan link denied by many. Who knows how many accidental or deliberate mistranslations have crept in over the centuries. Those who believe that God is the Great Mathematician will no doubt point to the numeric value of Amen: "Finally, we may note that the word Amen occurs not infrequently in early Christian inscriptions, and that it was often introduced into anathemas and gnostic spells. Moreover, as the Greek letters which form Amen according to their numerical values total 99 (alpha=1, mu=40, epsilon=8, nu=50), this number often appears in inscriptions, especially of Egyptian origin, and a sort of magical efficacy seems to have been attributed to its symbol".............(Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 1; 1907) Nowhere in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Qur'an can we find words to suggest one can be redeemed by merely uttering a magic word. Whether Amen is magic, rooted in a Pagan deity, originally a Christian word, a Muslim word, a Jewish word, or anything else, the question is the same: So what? When Christians, Jews and Muslims say Amen, they do not invoke any god or any power just by saying that word or indeed any other word. Amen does not even make other words more sincere. But Amen, like all the other language we use, helps us to focus on what we mean in our hearts. Source: https://www.seiyaku.com/customs/amen.html 3 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 1:04pm On Mar 07, 2020 |
If you prefer audio/video format, see below. A historical bible study on the word ''AMEN'' by an educated Christian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EchjCwRtNpM 1 Like 3 Shares |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 5:09am On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: Christianity is a fake Hellenistic religion. Imagine, Christianity and Islam even went as far as adapting the name of Amen Ra in an attempt to validate their fake gods. Wow! Christianity is a massive charade. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 5:45am On Mar 09, 2020 |
Amujale: Leave it for the Christians and Cry less. Everyone choose their paths, kindly face yours. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 8:16am On Mar 09, 2020 |
Amujale: Judaism, Christianity, Islam are all fake religion. Study led me recently to realize that what the Romans did to Judaism is what Judaism itself did to ancient African spirituality. I used to think ancient Africans wrote the old testament verbatim but I realized the old testament is a plagiarism of African spirituality by European!. Greeco-Romans either wrote the old testament to enslave the European Jews in ancient time or they peacefully co-authored it with them!. Either of them must be correct. In other words, Africans left Judaism long time ago when the fakery occurred, just as the Jews left Christianity when the Constantine fraud occurred. This means that Nnamdi Kanu and all those blacks calling themselves Jews are missing the point. The Judaism they identify with today is not the same one their ancestors believed. The word ''AMEN'' in a prayer is a good proof that all Abrahamic religions are fake. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 11:08am On Mar 09, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: Meaning? Christianity is a one of the worst ideologies ever to reach the shores of our continent. Christianity is a fake Hellenistic religion that was introduced to our continent during the Transatlantic slave trade, therefore by default cannot be of any good. Furthermore, the history of Christianity on our continent tells us that this fake and malicious Eurocentric ideology known as Christianity is responsible for a huge amount of atrocities that include desecrating, looting, plunder, burning of books and written text and all other senseless activities that is associated with jihadist extreemist ideologies. Bin all the Hellenistic mumbojumbo of the Abrahamic religions and concentrate our focus on reality, real history. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 12:02pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: I totally agree with you, the word 'AMEN' is good proof that all the Abrahamic religions are fake. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 12:03pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: Teach! |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 12:12pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: The people you refer to as European Jews arent because there was no Jews during these times. The only Jews with a historical record are the present ones of today, the current adherents of Judaism. Regardless of what the Abrahamic religions are peddling, history tells us that Christianity was manufactured in the firsr century, Islam was manufactured in the 6th century, whilst Judaism was manufactured in the 13th century. The followers of the Church of Serapis are the first people that Eurocentric writers refered to as Christians. Anywhere one reads of Christians prior and during the periods leading up to the Ecumenical councils, the text refers to either the followers of the Ethiopian Othodox church or the followers of the Church of Serapis. Both churches are adaptations of African spirituality. The Roman version of Christianity modelled itself on the Church of Serapis Chrustus, hence the Jewish historian calls Christianity a Roman mockery of the Hellenistic religions. The fake Hellenistic god Serapis Christus is from where the Jesus character received the status of Christ. The same is true of Judaism, anywhere you read of the term 'Jew' being used in any context outside of the scope of the 13th century, the text is false as is usually refering to the Germans[sic] Celts, Greek, Goths, Hellenist, Jordanians, Palestinians, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths e.t.c. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 1:39pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Amujale: I understand what you're saying but you don't understand mine. Of course, anyone who've researched these things knows there were no Jews at least up to 450 BC when the historian Herodotus was there. I am even willing to give them that much time because Herodotus recorded every detail about all the people and ethnicity in that region, from Phoenicia, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Libya, down to Ethiopia, but without mentioning any people called Jews. In fact, when he talked about circumcision (which is supposedly a Jewish tradition) he said ''whereas other men.....have their members as nature made them, the Egyptians practice circumcision.'' In another chapter he continues ''the Egyptians said they believed that the Colchians were a portion of the army of Sesostris (an African king Snefru). That this was so I conjectured myself not only because they are dark-skinned and have curly hair (this of itself amounts to nothing, for there are other races which are so), but also still more because the Colchians, Egyptians, and Ethiopians alone of all the races of men have practised circumcision from the first. He continues ''The Phenicians and the Syrians who dwell in Palestine confess themselves that they have learnt it from the Egyptians, and the Syrians about the river Thermodon and the river Parthenios, and the Macronians, who are their neighbors, say that they have learnt it lately from the Colchians. These are the only races of men who practise circumcision, and these evidently practise it in the same manner as the Egyptians. Of the Egyptians themselves however and the Ethiopians, I am not able to say which learnt from the other, for undoubtedly it is a most ancient custom; but that the other nations learnt it by intercourse with the Egyptians'' So, Herodotus identified the Colchians, Egyptians, and Ethiopians as the only people on earth practicing circumcision among all races. And according to him they were blacks. No mention of Jews!!. Sorry for this long post but history has been doctored and distorted so when discussing these issues one often find himself locked down in a linguistic nightmare. That's why I needed to clarify the above to have you understand that I am, indeed, aware there were no people called Jews at least up to 450 BC when Herodotus was in that region. So, when I say ''European Jews'' I mean white Jews who converted to Judaism in ancient time. Probably Aknazhi Jews who according to Jewish scholars themselves originated in the region of Turkey. These European Jews in the past moved to Spain but they were chased away from Spain in 1492. Reason crime. They ran to Portugal and were also chased away in 1496. Reason crime. However, some of them converted to Catholicism and were allowed to stay i.e in Spain and Portugal. Eventually, most of them ran to Britain, Germany, Poland, Netherlands, France, USA. Again, these are the people I refer to as ''European Jews'' because obviously they're not the descendants of the bible Jews. The Tanaka/bible Jews assimilated into African societies after the destruction of the Solomon temple in 70 AD. They remain black but no longer practice Judaism, except in insignificant number in places like Namibia, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, and few other countries. Even in their Tanaka, in song of Solomon 1:5-6, Solomon whoever he/she was, said ''I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me.'' This's just to clarify on what I mean by European Jews. By the way, they were the slave traders but that's a different story. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 2:01pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: Yes, brother teach! The entire charade is amazingly twisted, the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric writers attempt to basterdise history. Here we have a clear an indisputable example of further proof that the Abrahamic religons are a combination of fakery and falsehood. 1 Like |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 2:26pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
musicwriter: Thr Phenicians[sic] and the Arabians, Syrians and Palestinians are one and the same. These were the first invaders of North Africa. They were responsible for the Carthanigian civilisation that has its capital in modern day Tunis, Tunisia. That is to say, the Arabian fundamentals were causing havoc on the continent at different periods in time, during period pre-Islam and during the periods after the.manufacture of the Muhammadian movement that would later be known as Islam. The current stock of North Africans are direct descendants of those same olden days West Asian fundamentalist warmongers. The history of the Nubian communities that existed prior to the Hannibal of Carthage, are to be studied upon preserved and celebrated. As in, KM.T and Sudan werent the only Nubian communities that existed in those regions, between the Romans and the West Asians, they managed to wipe communities off the face of the earth and now they want to preach some Hellenistic mumbojumbo. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 2:44pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Who is the head of the Roman Catholic Church? Every person that identifies as a Christian today, is automatically a Roman Catholic. There's a whole discussion on the above fact, goes to prove the intelligence that the Romans put to bear during their failed attempt to conquer the globe, fast forward 1500 years and those same tactics are still being used, fast forward today, and one can see the results of those spiteful actions littered across the globe. Is the Papacy a Roman or Greek Hellenistic concept and or title? The position of Pope is a direct adaptation of the 'Papacy', this relates to the position held by the Bishop of the followers of the Church of Serapis Chrustus; invented by the Hellenist of Ptolemaic Egypt. Christianity is a Roman mockery of the Hellenistic religionssic. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 2:54pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Amujale: As I understand it now, any religion that's not African is fake. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 3:15pm On Mar 09, 2020 |
Amujale: Bros, why are you this pained about something that doesn't concern you. Shebi you nor like Christianity, then Let me repeat to you again, LEAVE CHRISTIANITY ALONE FOR THE CHRISTIANS. thanks |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 3:18pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: What are you on about? If you havent anything to say about these facts, then jog along. I want someone who can povide us with an acceptable reason for the facts presented kn the thread. Stop wasting our time with unecessary gibberish and address the fact that Christianity is a false and malicious religion that is attempting to brainwash God's people. It does concern you and I, because Christianity and Islam are responsible for a huge amount of misery, pain and poverty in the world of today. Its people similar to yourself that are the traitors of our great continent, calling yourself a pastor and yet you are fleecing people of their money and their spirituality. My advice is for you to change your ways before its too late. You can jog along now. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 3:32pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: Exactly the point being made here, leave Christianity and all the other Abrahamic religions alone and concentrate our focus on reality, real history. Christianity is a Roman mockery of the Hellenistic religion. As in, Christianity is a fake religion. My advice is for you to research on all the facts that are present in the thread and free yourself from the fakery of the Abrahamic religions. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 3:41pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
Christisnity is a weapon that was used against our people in the recent past, and is being used against people today. Christianity was introduced to by the Eurocentric warmongers that perpetrated the Transatlantic slave trade. That is how Christianity got introduced into the continent. Given these simple facts, as well as all the other indisputable ones, its impossible for Christianity to be of any good to our people. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 4:08pm On Mar 10, 2020 |
Imagine this: The history of Christianity. They starved people of literacy for hundreds of years, and after these many years without been allowed to read or write, they reintroduced their language, their literacy. After depriving people of their own literacy by ways of burning and confiscating tons and tons of books and written text, they continue this trend for a period exceeding one hundred years. Then they reintroduced litetaracy but this time, it would be their literacy in their language. The book that the Eurocentric warmongers that perpetrated the Transatlantic slave trade used to reeducate people was none other than the Christian Bible. The Arabian fundamentalist did the same thing with the Quran, infact they invented those type of attrocities during the Arabian slave trade. Now, for a period exceeding another one hundred years, the only book that was allowed to be read was the Christian bible. The problem with using the Christian bible as a tool of education is that the Christian Bible is neither an encyclopedia, lexicon nor a history textbook. There isnt one character or storyline in all of Abrahamic religious text that can lay claim to being original. As in, the Christian Bible is fake, false and counterintuitive. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 6:02am On Mar 11, 2020 |
Amujale: You talk too much and many words doesn't mean sense. Now I repeat, whether fake or real, choose your way and face it. Stop making noise about the choices of others. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 6:08am On Mar 11, 2020 |
Amujale: Me? Provide points? So that you can feel good with your endless arguments and needless noise? Baba, I am too busy. Here's my advice for you: 1. Make your choice and leave others with theirs 2. If at any point in your life you found emptiness, kindly seek God (I don't mean seek CHRISTIANITY) Your many words cannot change the connection I feel with God and the Peace I found in following, if that is fake, then I will embrace the fakeness wholeheartedly. And mind you, it is a choice, my own choice. So now, face your way and leave others to theirs. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 10:09am On Mar 11, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: I cant see you disputing any of the facts presented here, you waste the chance you had to come up with a logical explanation, instead you veered of on a tangent spouting out inconsequential gibberish. My advice for you to read and research on what is presented in the thread and free yourself from the mental slavery of the Abrahamic religions. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 10:27am On Mar 11, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: Christianity is a fake and malicious ideology that peddles a false representation of history. Yet brainwashed person such as you can come here texting smack about something you know nothing about. History is the most important aspect of legacy. Bin all that Hellenistic mumbojumbo of the Abrahamic religions and concentrate our focus on reality, real history. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 11:14am On Mar 11, 2020 |
As OP has proven, Amen Ra is where the term 'Amen' originates. Amen Ra represents a KM.Tic God, an African God. Anyone who has read the Christian bible will know that the false god of the Christian bible is made up of many different Gods; what most people dont know is that all the Gods that are adapted into Abrahamic religious text are African. Anyone who claims that the false god of the Christian bible is one entity, either hasnt read the Christian bible, hasnt read it properly, simply ignorant to these facts for other reasons or are being disingenous. The god of the Christian bible is a Hellenistic imposter that attempts to take credit for the African Gods. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 2:20pm On Mar 12, 2020 |
Amujale: You're in pain. You're in severe pains. Go get something to fill your emptiness |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 5:45pm On Mar 12, 2020 |
PatriotTemidayo: Attempt to make some sense. Stop quoting me unless you are addressing the facts. I gave you the opportunity to present a logical argument and you failed. I dont see you disputing any of the facts, you can jog along now. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by PatriotTemidayo: 7:10pm On Mar 12, 2020 |
Amujale: Na talk you dey find. Get busy. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by Amujale(m): 3:14am On Mar 14, 2020 |
The malicious adaptation of Amen Ra by the Abrahamic religions further proofs that the Christianity is a weapon of mass destruction. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by uzzyphilip(m): 5:01am On Mar 14, 2020 |
Oga we don't need your teachings we chose Christianity its our bedrock to salvation, if you like read, research is non of our business, in Christ I found hope, let your stupidity leads you to Christ so that u will honour him and receive him, in Jesus Christ there is no place for argument. Repent and receive him in truth and peace of mind. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by mrintellectual(m): 6:08am On Mar 14, 2020 |
musicwriter: The video you posted has corrected the error. The Lord understands the intentions of His worshippers, and knows when they go astray, and He is our light and guidance, and all our sins are forgiven in Yeshua's or Jesus' name. Christianity to some may seem a religion, but to me, it is a way of life. The only true religion, which Jesus handed over to us is LOVE. We Christians or believers in Christ or Yeshua practice Love. Love is our religion. |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by musicwriter(m): 2:06pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
mrintellectual: What error? Did I say there was an error? I only showed the historical origins of the word ''AMEN'' in your bible and prayers, so that you know where it came from. Each time you say ''Amen'' in church or in a prayer, you're calling upon the God Amen who's image is below. The God Amen- ca 2500 BC ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Historical Origins Of The Word ''AMEN'' In Your Prayers by IMO01: 5:21pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
musicwriter: Nice one There is this black American guy that explains this issues of this present Jews not being the real Jews but polish men who adopted Jewish tradition and mixed it with paganism. Referring to your case about Nnamdi kanu |
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