Martinez39s:
I know you can do better than this. Don't make the intellectual error of conflating ideas with which you don't agree with hate and shaming. I expect you get your facts right.

(1) Redpill men on this forum do not insult or hate non-virgin/evening newspaper/olosho/single mom. All we have ever done is give reasons why we would never consider these set of women for dating/marriage. My mum is a single mum, and the mother of Ubunja's child is a single mum as well; so it's unlikely that we would be the ones to hate and disparage single mothers. We just say the truth without bias and sentiments. If people don't like our reasons for not wanting to date/marry these set of women (or they want to pretend that we haven't given any reasons), they can either counter our points logically or they could ignore us instead of deliberately and cunningly misrepresenting our views as hatred, discrimination, disparagement, and insults towards these set of women. You can't say the same about broke shaming as inappropriately used as a rebuttal and comeback by dull emotional Nigerians during an argument.

(2) You will hardly see Ubunja, Martinez39s, Omar09, AstroG, etc use a woman's non-virgin/evening newspaper/olosho/single mom status to insult her when she says ideas that we don't like or agree with instead of logically countering her points. You will never see us launch an ad hominem using the status of these women to win an argument. Michellekabod2 had a bitter clash with me before she stopped talking to me. She even went against her supposed principle to insinuate all sorts of belittling things about me but I never used her single-mom status as an insult against her in coming back at her. You can't say the same about broke shaming as inappropriately used as a rebuttal and comeback by dull emotional Nigerians during an argument.

(3) I have repeatedly said on this forum that I have no problem with a woman choosing to be a non-virgin/evening newspaper/olosho/single mom. It's her right and freedom. Also, I, just like other men, have the right to disregard them in the dating market, and I am at liberty to express openly why I don't want them as my significant other. Not wanting to marry a non-virgin/newspaper/olosho/single mom is not bigotry and hatred, it's simply called preference (which I am entitled to). If not marry any of these women is discrimination and hatred, then women not marrying broke men is discrimination and hatred.

(4) The phrase "evening newspaper" is not an insult. The phrase refers to the natural biological fate of every woman. At a point in time, everyone women (including our mothers and sisters) will become an evening newspaper. An evening newspaper is just a woman who has passed her period of sexual attractiveness. If we redpill men don't want an evening newspapers, can you blame us? Can you say we are full of hatred?

So, CAPSLOCKED, hope I have put you in the proper perspective.

Arthur21:

The only sensible response so far,I am impressed.
Is there a difference between saying "evening newspapers" and "broke guys?"are they not both descriptive terms? Being broke is a state,not an insult,me saying "Martinez is broke" is not shaming him,it is describing him ,the same way you claim evening newspaper is used to describe ladies past their prime.

"Used up products" "damaged goods" "second hand products " are descriptive,fair point. I don't see you use it as a rebuttal. Is your complaint against broke shaming because it was used directly at you or cohorts ,like "Martinez is a broke a$$" or because some ladies use it to describe men on the forum without making a particular reference to them like "all this broke boys on NL"

From your post it seems you draw a margin between description and shaming.

I agree with you that shaming is when its used as ad hominem or rebuttal and making direct reference to the person while description is stating your opinions and choices.

From your first post of people attaching importance to financial status,was it strictly because broke shaming was directed at someone or because ladies openly stated they spec and choices and how they detest broke guys? If yes to the two then I will say you should allow them the liberty of stating their choice and how they feel about broke guys.

PS:kindly share with me links or posts to your feud with Michelle.

Martinez39s:
Can you point out where I have been clueless and/or incapable of engaging in a meaningful conversation outside the romance section? Let's start from there.

Biglittlelois:
Lol so if I decide to say Martinez and ubunja are dirty used sloughs, broke as.s niggas as a statement of fact instead of a rebuttal, means I am well within my rights to say that cos no lady will want to be with disgusts like that right?

if no one can determine for a fact that this is how you both are in real life, since this is just a faceless online forum, but still Martinez and ubunja are dirt broke, right? Okay good to know.

Listen up ladies, you are allowed to use shaming words, not as a rebuttal, just say it for saying sake

Biglittlelois:
Maybe I should call Organs and istoprudeness to educate you more on your cluelessness, we already know you sleep, eat and drink romance section, and you will probably continue this circle for the rest of your monk life.

ubunja:
It's hard for me to say how much I have saved. But what I can say is that I have been able to buy things I wouldn't have had the money and the motivation and the "permission" to buy were I living with a female.

Because I'm also a House DJ on the side, at one time I was able to assemble a kickass sound system that was the envy of many. That cost me thousands of rands and could unleash hell on my street.


The biggest gain in being a single guy is the freedom to do whatever whenever. You can disappear for days. You can have friends spend days over. You can fvck any hoes you chance upon. And living in the Joburg CBD that happens a lot. Always chicks looking for a place to spend the night.

However, when I have problems I know I can always dial my baby mama and she'll come running. She can't ignore. Its the father of her child on the line. Guys must Always have that safety net in life. Of a female who'll drop anything at the drop of a hat for you. Because let's face it, most of our guy friends are blue pill simps who have a limit to what they'll do for you when tragedy strikes because their women will prevent them from taking certain steps to sacrifice for you.

Martinez39s:
Nothing is inside the brains of many Nigerians except money, job, and business even though many lack the mental capacity and skill to achieve these. Even intelligence and the ability to maintain a civil and intelligent discourse don't make the cut. Say something they don't like and they either say directly, or insinuate, that you are broke and jobless instead of refuting your points. I wonder what a man's financial situation has to do with the validity and truthfulness of his arguments. Honestly, it's disappointing.

HMarshal:
Damn! You dey vex o!!! Hehehehe

Martinez39s:
I am not angry. Money is good, sweet, and important, but one must not take money worship to the next level like Nigerians. People worship money so much that "I am richer than your generation" is now a rebuttal and many people's "logical" counter during an argument. It's even used as an insult.

Martinez39s:
Hahahahahahaha. So it's about that thread? You can call them. When you do, I will properly educate both of them, you included, on human rights.

Biglittlelois:
Lmao what a smello

Martinez39s:
You are trying to be cunning. "Evening newspaper" and "broke" are descriptive terms indeed, but if you have a scintilla of honesty in you, you wouldn't act like you don't know or haven't observed people use the term "broke", "jobless", "broke and frustrated" etc. as insults, rebuttals and clapbacks during a heated quarrel, exchange of words, or as ad hominem and silencing tool when someone says something they don't agree with. This is very common in Nigeria, and to deny this is to make yourself an embodiment of dishonesty. These terms are usually thrown in when they have nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

Do people also use the term "evening newspaper" as an insult? Yes, but it's rare and not as frequent as broke shaming. Even women, during a heated exchange of words with one another, do throw in the term "evening newspaper" intending it as an insult. However, my point is: have you even seen redpill guys on the forum use a woman's non-virgin/newspaper/olosho/single mom status as an insult, rebuttal, or clapback when they express ideas or make statements we don't like?

BROKE-SHAMING: insinuating or outrightly proclaiming that someone is broke with the intention of insulting the person, countering his/her point, silencing the people, and/or making a clapback. Such insinuation and proclamation are mere emotional devices and usually have nothing to do with the argument at hand.

I am not drawing any margin. Either you are being dishonest or your brain has gone to sleep.

So you even know.

Read my post again, and understand better.

When I have the energy.

RisenPhoenix:
Actually, I saved more after getting married than I saved when I was single. It was only after getting married that I expanded my business to its full potential, because that was when I became better educated financially.

Arthur21:
like I said you will not get any where with this,people who scout and dig for reasons to justify bad behavior until they are the victims,expect another excuse on why slut/simp shaming is acceptable...
Excuse loading....

Martinez39s:
The emboldened part wasn't necessary in your question. The inclusion of that part just shows you are emotional about the whole thing and you hold a grudge against Ubunja and Martinez39s. Anyway, if you made that statement sincerely as a statement of fact where relevant, it wouldn't be counted as broke-shaming. You have just simply made a statement that's either valid or invalid.

post=87584821:
This is unintelligible. Your emotions and grudge against me and Ubunja are hindering you from making an articulate and lucid write-up. You need to claim down and compose yourself. Even if you hate me and Ubunja, at least make your statements understandable.

post=87584821:
No one says you are not allowed to use shaming words. In fact, you are free to insult, belittle, and make scathing remarks about anybody, even when inappropriate. No one is stopping you. You are even free to insult me, including my parents and siblings, however you like.

Leoniine:


Are You really red-pilled? Wow.

Arthur21:
you first post on this thread was rebuking the fact people in general attach importance to ones financial status, your tone was beyond mere broke shaming people as a rebuttal in banters but the general disdain towards broke men

I don't see berating ladies(saying ladies are h0es,non virgins are sluts,used products,worthless,losers) like your master does as any different from looking down on broke people or being wary of financial status(not merely as rebuttals or personal insults).

Except you chose to lie or wanted to lick your master's a$$, you were wrong about him and atroG not disparaging SM.

Biglittlelois:


Are you that clueless you don't know when a question is rhetorical? Lol not surprised

Emotional? You think you and ubunja are capable of making me emotional? Do I sound like your regulars that goes apeshit cos of your regular baseless banters on a faceless forum? Lol I put you and him at par cos you both have the same level of thinking dude, so don't kid yourself.

Are you really this minimal intellectually that you can't understand a simple statement? Believe me you both aren't worth it at all.

Very good, I'm glad you finally eat your words and own up to it even though it hurts to admit it, especially with the way you keep using different smiley to cover up, lol.

Martinez39s:
My round table is set. There are three empty seats and a white board behind me. Make sure you come with those two guys so I can educate you all on human rights, and teach you that a business owner has the right to deny his services to any potential customer. OLODO RABATA

Biglittlelois:
I'd rather vomit than sit and listen to you disgrace yourself just to blindly support, not even a whitey that you guys drool on, but a YELLOW MANGINA, probably becos you are also a mangina correct? Lmao ALAILOPOLO OLORIPELEBE.

Martinez39s:
Well, no point going back and forth. Have a nice day.

Martinez39s:
Have a nice day.









Wheww, what a crazy woman.

Martinez39s:
My first post on this thread is on something else relevant to this topic. Haba! My post is even the third on this forum. Get your facts right. My grievance was that during arguments, people usually stray from the intellectual path and insinuate, or outrightly proclaim, that someone is jobless or has an abject financial situation intending such as an insult, rebuttal, clapback, and/or silencing tool. I then attributed this to the huge money worship in this country. Get this into your head.

Ubunja is not my master. The redpill movement and manosphere isn't a cult with a supreme leader every man answers to. As I have said, we don't berate or use ad hominem. We say things as we see them.

Well, there is no point going back and forth. We can agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

Arthur21:

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I didnt call anyone's name na.why assume I was referring to him?
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Martinez39s:
Na so. Oya, who were you referring to as my master?

Arthur21:
you are married?

And they said marriage makes men responsible....

Arthur21:
him off course,your slavery ain't permanent,he may have sold you off to another master....go wash the dishes boy,you master needs the kitchen tidy

RisenPhoenix:


Yes. And I am very responsible.

Unless of course you are one of those woman pleasing simps who defines male responsibility as being subservient and servile to one's wife; in which case I will probably not fit your definition.

Arthur21:
woman pleasing SIMPs?lol



I don't define any responsibility for any man

ubunja:
even myself I shudder at the relentless brokeshaming on NL. You won't see it on any other social network of another country.

I spent years on 2go SA but I can count on one hand the number of times I heard a guy shamed for being broke. Nigerians take this to a whole new level. It's almost like an obsession.

Martinez39s:
Werey. You knew I was correct yet you feigned ignorance. Weh done sah. Ubunja is not my master.