TiAd:

What does that prove?

Did you read of more recent attempts?

You probably are not aware that some radical inventions of today or scientific concepts, which were earlier rejected by the scientific community, got embraced several years later upon more successful experiments.

There have a number of failed attempts to determine the mass of the soul as I stated in my former post you quoted.

But in as much as there is something that powers a man called soul, spirit or consciousness, some scientists won't stop searching.

And if it's there, they will find it. Though it could take years.

Just like NASA and space scientists won't stop sending space probes in search of extraterrestrial lives out there.

It is arrogantly stupid to assume only humans exist in this unimaginably big universe. That possibility is very slim.

They have been no other attempts since 1907. That man is the only one who thinks the soul has weight. Can you provide links of other scientist who have attempted to weigh the soul of a man since then.

Godx:

They have been no other attempts since 1907. That man is the only one who thinks the soul has weight. Can you provide links of other scientist who have attempted to weigh the soul of a man since then.

You didn't take time to read the whole article on Wikipedia.

"Similar experiments

In December 2001, physicist Lewis E. Hollander Jr. published an article in Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment. He tested the weight of one ram, seven ewes, three lambs and one goat at the moment of death, seeking to explore upon MacDougall's purpored findings. His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying, though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount of 18 to 780 grams, which was lost again over time until returning to their initial weight.[10]

In 2009, this experiment was subjected to critical review by Masayoshi Ishida in the same journal. Ishida found Hollander's statement of a transient gain of weight was "not an appropriate expression of the experimental result", though he admitted "the cause of the force event remains to be explained". He also warned about possible malfunctions of the in two of the cases.[11]

Similarly inspired by MacDougall's research, physician Gerard Nahum proposed in 2005 a follow-up experiment, based on utilizing an array of electromagnetic detectors to try to pick up any type of escaping energy at the moment of death. He offered to sell his idea to engineering, physics, and philosophy departments at Yale, Stanford, and Duke universities, as well as the Catholic Church, but he was rejected.[12]"
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment

TiAd:

You didn't take time to read the whole article on Wikipedia.

"Similar experiments

In December 2001, physicist Lewis E. Hollander Jr. published an article in Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment. He tested the weight of one ram, seven ewes, three lambs and one goat at the moment of death, seeking to explore upon MacDougall's purpored findings. His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying, though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount of 18 to 780 grams, which was lost again over time until returning to their initial weight.[10]

In 2009, this experiment was subjected to critical review by Masayoshi Ishida in the same journal. Ishida found Hollander's statement of a transient gain of weight was "not an appropriate expression of the experimental result", though he admitted "the cause of the force event remains to be explained". He also warned about possible malfunctions of the in two of the cases.[11]

Similarly inspired by MacDougall's research, physician Gerard Nahum proposed in 2005 a follow-up experiment, based on utilizing an array of electromagnetic detectors to try to pick up any type of escaping energy at the moment of death. He offered to sell his idea to engineering, physics, and philosophy departments at Yale, Stanford, and Duke universities, as well as the Catholic Church, but he was rejected.[12]"
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment

Animals don't have souls. I said experiments on measuring the soul of a man as you earlier informed us. They have been none at all.

Mehn! This Tiad guy is completely deluded.

I pray God helps you to see the light and not be part of the army that will want to fight an already lost battle.

Greatihex:
Mehn! This Tiad guy is completely deluded.

I pray God helps you to see the light and not be part of the army that will want to fight an already lost battle.

Is this one okay? A religionist is calling me deluded.

Stay out of my mentions.

Godx:

Animals don't have souls. I said experiments on measuring the soul of a man as you earlier informed us. They have been none at all.

Only some religionists believe that, especially Muslims and Christians. There are many things those ones believe, but the reality is different.

If a living thing (whether humans, animals, plants, microbes) has no soul, then it's not living.

Every living thing is conscious in its own way.

All living things are powered by a soul/spirit (consciousness). Souls have different groups, human group, animal group, plant group, etc.

If a living thing has no soul or consciousness, then it can't die. But just like humans die, animals, microbes, insects, plants, etc. also die.

TiAd:

Only some religionists believe that, especially Muslims and Christians. There are many things those ones believe, but the reality is different.

If a living thing (whether humans, animals, plants, microbes) has no soul, then it's not living.

Every living thing is conscious in its own way.

All living things are powered by a soul/spirit (consciousness). Souls have different groups, human group, animal group, plant group, etc.

If a living thing has no soul or consciousness, then it can't die. But just like humans die, animals, microbes, insects, plants, etc. also die.

Soul is a concept of religious beliefs not science. You are always saying things you are not sure of and with no source/link. Most if not all scientist don't believe in the supernatural and in the concept of a soul. A soul is not the same thing as consciousness. Can you show us a link or source were scientist grouped souls into different groups because it's starting to look like you just drop things that come into your mind. Now on the other hand you have failed to provide any other experiment by scientist performing the 21gram experiment on a man which tells me all I need to know.

Griffon:


You need to pay attention on what's going on.

The coronavirus broke out in China since November 2019. The US and other EU nations knew about it but did little or nothing at all to curb the menace, they are just taking action now. Flights weren't cancelled until most recently, allowing people from the affected regions to effortlessly move about and interact with each other, thereby, spreading the virus.

It's surprising that most of you find this strange, it's not like the West's eugenic agenda is new. It has been enthusiastically sponsored by Western foundations and governments over decades.

The Rockefeller Foundation invested in eugenics research beginning in the 1920s and helped found the German eugenics program that undergirded Nazi racial theories. Gates and Melinda Foundation are throwing in billions into depopulation of the world.

Some of you may not be paying attention. But when social media celebrities are all looking phony, coming online with prerecorded videos to reiterate same lines like “stay at home,” “flatten the curve,” my fucking mind must ask: WHO is giving out these messages? Who is paying for these messages?

There's nothing natural about Corvid-19. It's a biological weapon created to depopulate the world with its underlying motives.

It could be any of these:

1) ‘allow’ the old die off, especially in economically and sociopolitically viable nation-states across the world?

2) introduce mandatory vaccinations for mass depopulation, owing to the original eugenics agenda of the elite?

3) launch the perfect platform for a global cashless policy?

4) reengineer the global economic landscape with a younger-aged workforce and pay structure?

5) dramatically switch political and economic ideologies from a purely capitalist to a more robust democratic-socialist one?(even though I find this, perhaps, a tad unlikely).

6) Target small and medium-sized businesses and run them off?

Ever thought of all these?

How about checking out my point number one? Pay attention.

LMFAO........ Alex Jones have corrupted this one head.

spillo1:
LMFAO........ Alex Jones have corrupted this one head.

Eddie bravo is still the worst conspiracy theorist in the entire world not even Jones. The crazy part is how confidently he will say dumb shittt like the Earth is flat with complete conviction. Even when shown live satellite images, he thinks all the space agencies are working together to fabricate a lie.

Godx:

Soul is a concept of religious beliefs not science.

You're the one that needs to check the way you understand what I am saying. You can't discuss consciousness (a scientific concept) without mentioning soul (a philosophical concept). You can't have one without the other.

It's not possible for a being without a soul (dead) to be conscious (alive and aware).

Wonder why philosophy and logic is a core course for all aspiring scientists at the undergraduate level? Many scientific concepts today had their roots in philosophy (in the traditional sense of it).

Godx:

You are always saying things you are not sure of and with no source/link.

The Wikipedia link I gave is what? Your view of the soul is what you need to check. If only humans have soul, then why does death affect all living things?

Godx:

Most if not all scientist don't believe in the supernatural and in the concept of a soul.

Most, if not all scientists, believe there are phenomena that seem mysterious because there is little scientific understanding about them. You can call such things "spiritual", "supernatural". Those are mere names that denote our current level of scientific knowledge about them.

When we get more scientific knowledge and make more discoveries about them, they will become normal things, nothing supernatural or mysterious any longer.

FYI, there was a time in human history that diseases were seen as spiritual attacks from a deity and needed to be treated by things such as prayers, offering a sacrifice to appease a diety, etc. Today, they've become normal (natural) phenomena, and only the ignorant ones hold that archaic notion now.

Thunder, lightning, rain, etc. were all seen as supernatural events in the past; today, the story is different. And humans are even learning to induce these things (creating them artificially).

Do you think scientific understanding of consciousness will stay the same in the next 50-100 years? That's unrealistic, when some scientists have already started conducting studies and research on it for some years now.

Godx:
Can you show us a link or source were scientist grouped souls into different groups because it's starting to look like you just drop things that come into your mind.

You don't seem to know much about philosophy, which is why you can't separate a concept in philosophy (soul) from that in science (consciousness).

Godx:
Now on the other hand you have failed to provide any other experiment by scientist performing the 21gram experiment on a man which tells me all I need to know.

It all boils down to your understanding of consciousness (or soul philosophically speaking), which seems flawed. The scientists that performed the experiments in that Wikipedia link felt living things like animals are conscious (aware), hence they've a soul.

Unless you are a religionist, you would have to present something extraordinary to show that a living thing isn't conscious or aware of its surroundings and hence has no soul.

Godx:

Eddie bravo is still the worst conspiracy theorist in the entire world not even Jones. The crazy part is how confidently he will say dumb shittt like the Earth is flat with complete conviction. Even when shown live satellite images, he thinks all the space agencies are working together to fabricate a lie.

LMFAO.... Conspiracy theorist are the worst. They won't listen to anything rather than their own believe. Some even believe the Earth is not a planet.

Humans bout to go extinct

Godx:

Contagion is a movie about SARS. Its beginning to look like you are just grasping at straws.

Yes SARS but Contagion relates most directly with the current danger. The 2011 film "Contagion" opens to the sound of a woman coughing, she had just returned to Minnesota with a strange illness after a trip to Hong Kong.

Flashback in the movie shows how the fictional virus emerged — with a bat in China infecting a pig that is later handled by a chef at a Macau casino, who transits the virus to a customer, played by Paltrow, by shaking her hand.

So far, health officials have traced the coronavirus to a “wet market” in Wuhan, China, a large seafood and animal market.

The movie's MEV-1 virus is a zoonotic disease, meaning it jumped from animals to people. In the film, it spreads from a bat to a pig sold at an outdoor Chinese market, before hopping to Emhoff. According to experts, the new coronavirus is also zoonotic disease that started in bats. It likely jumped to people via an intermediary species - most probably pork meat.

Coincidence or predictive programming?

TiAd:

You're the one that needs to check the way you understand what I am saying. You can't discuss consciousness (a scientific concept) without mentioning soul (a philosophical concept). You can't have one without the other.

It's not possible for a being without a soul (dead) to be conscious (alive and aware).

Wonder why philosophy and logic is a core course for all aspiring scientists at the undergraduate level? Many scientific concepts today had their roots in philosophy (in the traditional sense of it).

The Wikipedia link I gave is what? Your view of the soul is what you need to check. If only humans have soul, then why does death affect all living things?

Most, if not all scientists, believe there are phenomena that seem mysterious because there is little scientific understanding about them. You can call such things "spiritual", "supernatural". Those are mere names that denote our current level of scientific knowledge about them.

When we get more scientific knowledge and make more discoveries about them, they will become normal things, nothing supernatural or mysterious any longer.

FYI, there was a time in human history that diseases were seen as spiritual attacks from a deity and needed to be treated by things such as prayers, offering a sacrifice to appease a diety, etc. Today, they've become normal (natural) phenomena, and only the ignorant ones hold that archaic notion now.

Thunder, lightning, rain, etc. were all seen as supernatural events in the past; today, the story is different. And humans are even learning to induce these things (creating them artificially).

Do you think scientific understanding of consciousness will stay the same in the next 50-100 years? That's unrealistic, when some scientists have already started conducting studies and research on it for some years now.

You don't seem to know much about philosophy, which is why you can't separate a concept in philosophy (soul) from that in science (consciousness).

It all boils down to your understanding of consciousness (or soul philosophically speaking), which seems flawed. The scientists that performed the experiments in that Wikipedia link felt living things like animals are conscious (aware), hence they've a soul.

Unless you are a religionist, you would have to present something extraordinary to show that a living thing isn't conscious or aware of its surroundings and hence has no soul.

Science deals with phenomena that can be objectively observed and measured. The soul, by contrast, cannot be observed or measured because it is immaterial. Soul beliefs belong to the realms of religion not science. You are just reaching by saying scientist will work with a soul or even create one. Religious sect beliefs in the existence of a soul while up till now there is in fact no credible evidence supporting the existence of the soul by scientist. Being aware of your environment and how you react to it is different from having a soul. Animals don't have souls neither do plants because when they die that's end unlike Man. The original concept of a soul comes from theological experts not philosophers. Theological experts believe in life after death which breed the concept of a soul that lives on after a person dies. The current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life. We are just the activity of carbon and some proteins; we live awhile and die according to scientist. Your understanding of soul is flawed.

Godx:

Science deals with phenomena that can be objectively observed and measured. The soul, by contrast, cannot be observed or measured because it is immaterial. Soul beliefs belong to the realms of religion not science. You are just reaching by saying scientist will work with a soul or even create one. Religious sect beliefs in the existence of a soul while up till now there is in fact no credible evidence supporting the existence of the soul by scientist. Being aware of your environment and how you react to it is different from having a soul. Animals don't have souls neither do plants because when they die that's end unlike Man. The original concept of a soul comes from theological experts not philosophers. Theological experts believe in life after death which breed the concept of a soul that lives on after a person dies. The current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life. We are just the activity of carbon and some proteins; we live awhile and die according to scientist. Your understanding of soul is flawed.

Sounding closed minded like a religionist.

There will be more advances in many emerging fields in science in the future, consciousness inclusive. Change is the only constant thing in life, as philosopher Heraclitus said.

What people called "nothing" in the 18th century became known as "something" in modern times with the invention of powerful microscopes.

In the same vein, what we call "nothing" today will become "something" in the future when more inventions and discoveries are made.

Enough said.

Griffon:


Yes SARS but Contagion relates most directly with the current danger. The 2011 film "Contagion" opens to the sound of a woman coughing, she had just returned to Minnesota with a strange illness after a trip to Hong Kong.

Flashback in the movie shows how the fictional virus emerged — with a bat in China infecting a pig that is later handled by a chef at a Macau casino, who transits the virus to a customer, played by Paltrow, by shaking her hand.

So far, health officials have traced the coronavirus to a “wet market” in Wuhan, China, a large seafood and animal market.

The movie's MEV-1 virus is a zoonotic disease, meaning it jumped from animals to people. In the film, it spreads from a bat to a pig sold at an outdoor Chinese market, before hopping to Emhoff. According to experts, the new coronavirus is also zoonotic disease that started in bats. It likely jumped to people via an intermediary species - most probably pork meat.

Coincidence or predictive programming?

Coronavirus is a strand from the SARS virus that mutated so definitely they are going to be concidence with a movie acted about SARS.
Scientist have predicated and warned China for years that a disease is likely to come from them base on the country culture and unhygienic markets. Here is a copy of research work carried it in 2007.

Godx:

Coronavirus is a strand from the SARS virus that mutated so definitely they are going to be concidence with a movie acted about SARS.
Scientist have predicated and warned China for years that a disease is likely to come from them base on the country culture and unhygienic markets. Here is a copy of research work carried it in 2007.

Nice submission.

spillo1:

LMFAO.... Conspiracy theorist are the worst. They won't listen to anything rather than their own believe. Some even believe the Earth is not a planet.

I am all for conspiracy but the flat Earth thing doesn't make any sense to me. The FES started as a thought experiment/social experiment to take an indefensible position but now the flat Earth society are just trolls.

See wetin lack of football dey cause, even person wey never handle microscope before dey force people to swallow him okwu nyoko!!!

Godx:

Coronavirus is a strand from the SARS virus that mutated so definitely they are going to be concidence with a movie acted about SARS.
Scientist have predicated and warned China for years that a disease is likely to come from them base on the country culture and unhygienic markets. Here is a copy of research work carried it in 2007.

At some point, the entire world is going to confront China over this.

Griffon, see your fellow conspiracy theorist, do you believe what he has postulated?

mitchellwealth:


Thank God this rubbish started from Asia which is the name of their hospitalization and having abandoned our hospital to pit toilets, they hope if they get it some idiots will risk their life for them abi?

Abeg I don deviate small, make una no vex. Please before we go further I will like each of us to go do some research about WUHAN virus and maybe what you discover might help you know why the Corona virus is here today.

The WUHAN virus was targeted to eliminate the black nation and convert their lands to farmland for the western world before the discovery of genetically modified foods.

Slight modifications of this virus was used in creating the human immuno virus which as at when they brought it to Africa in the name of immunizing our kids, our genetic nature eliminated it and today HIV is a thing under control.

Remember we were accused as black nation's sleeping with animals, that the HIV existed in animals and via sex we contacted it and brought it to the human race. Not until a researcher exposed the truth saying that the virus could not have existed naturally in nature, it was a laboratory experiment.

Today replicas exist like the bird flu, tuberculosis and others. So watch as the truth will unravel when a larger population of Asia is eliminated and a chunk of Europe and America is torn off. Australia is in their early stages and for a continent like Africa without latest technology, we seem to be standing strong amidst these epidemic.

Yes wash your hands often, treat yourself using herbal remedies and stay focused on the truth always, you might just be saved.

Note:
African is a place for Africans only, if a foreigner is here to steal or take what they have no right to take cause they have settled the leaders with see through mirrors and ornaments of the orients, we will await the Gods of our Land to do what it does best not on the foreign thieves but on the native Judas.

elrony:
See wetin lack of football dey cause, even person wey never handle microscope before dey force people to swallow him okwu nyoko!!!

Your comment only shows the sorry state of Nigeria's system of education. Nothing surprising to find that many Nigerian students attended secondary schools without a science lab, let alone scientific tools like a light microscope.

But don't make the mistake of thinking every nler attended such schools. A number of schools in Nigeria have labs equipped with a light microscope.

Swissh:

At some point, the entire world is going to confront China over this.

Which country in the world can actually confront China? They are the next superpower in the world after the U.S.

Brother are you a rosicrucian or a freemason?

TiAd:

Only some religionists believe that, especially Muslims and Christians. There are many things those ones believe, but the reality is different.

If a living thing (whether humans, animals, plants, microbes) has no soul, then it's not living.

Every living thing is conscious in its own way.

All living things are powered by a soul/spirit (consciousness). Souls have different groups, human group, animal group, plant group, etc.

If a living thing has no soul or consciousness, then it can't die. But just like humans die, animals, microbes, insects, plants, etc. also die.

Illuminated993:
Brother are you a rosicrucian or a freemason?

Lol. None of the above. Looking for your members?

I don't do cult or religion. Why leave religion only to join a cult?

That's silly.

TiAd:

Your comment only shows the sorry state of Nigeria's system of education. Nothing surprising to find that many Nigerian students attended secondary schools without a science lab, let alone scientific tools like a light microscope.

But don't make the mistake of thinking every nler attended such schools. A number of schools in Nigeria have labs equipped with a light microscope.

What is wrong with you?

I don't remember quoting a TiAd.

I just like your person. But I never said I was looking for my members.

TiAd:

Lol. None of the above. Looking for your members?

I don't do cult or religion. Why leave religion only to join a cult?

That's silly.

elrony:


What is wrong with you?

I don't remember quoting a TiAd.

Illuminated993:
I just like your person. But I never said I was looking for my members.

Ok, sorry. I don't dabble into such things. They're not worth it.

donjazet:
Griffon, see your fellow conspiracy theorist, do you believe what he has postulated?

TiAd:

Lol, avoid me