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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 7:25am On Mar 14, 2020 |
scholes0: Edos are Yorubas. There is no need arguing that.. 2 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by sotall(m): 9:08am On Mar 14, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: Believe whatever you want. It doesn't change facts. Edo is not and can never be Yoruba. They are different |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 9:18am On Mar 14, 2020 |
sotall: Oga listen These two people Edos and Yorubas looks alike, answer similar names, reasons alike, politically alike, bit language divergent, has same title for kings, Infact looking at Edo man , u will mistake them as Yorubas. To me it us quite irritating people saying Yorubas and edos are different....even when physical features and history says otherwise. 3 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by sotall(m): 9:31am On Mar 14, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: Dont argue unintelligently in a public forum as big ad nairaland. It rubbishes your education and enlightenment. Since when did phenotypic features in humans means same tribes? Except you have an eye defect, the average Yoruba man looks different from an Edo man. The language is different The dressing is different The tribal mark is different. If you are learned, you will understand that the few similarities in culture between Edo and Yoruba is due to culture mixing as a result of the proximity of the two tribes. This happens everywhere. Stop the misinformation and go and educate yourself 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 11:08am On Mar 14, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: To the average Igbo, Edo is Yoruba and to the average Yoruba, Edo is omo Ibo. This confusion is largely due to ignorance. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 12:15pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
ghostwon:Oh boy you still dey waste time with that guy? His pain is so much. I wonder how pained he feels when during History of Africa on BBC, Egypt, Benin, Ethiopia, Mali and Ashanti is what it's all about. ![]() Without Oba of Benin gallivanting to Caribbean, Americas or anywhere to sell the history first. Even in UK, by the age of 8, most kids have already covered history of Benin. Simple reason is Oyinbo have details of the empire in their books and archives. Some over 500 years old. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 2:41pm On Mar 14, 2020 |
samuk: Pure lie. I have never seen Yorubas refer to Edos as Omo Ibo..... Yorubas themselves sees Edos as Yorubas because of striking similarities and that's why most Edos let me put it at 85% has strong links with Yorubas in all they do. But saying Yorubas sees Edo as Omo ibo...na lie... Well I am yet to understand the difference between both because nobody has given a strong proof to distinguish between both. 2 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 6:35pm On Mar 21, 2020 |
Mraphel: @bolded as you stated shows both are same people. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 2:15pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
ghostwon: Shiver99 is quite correct. You don't have to have existed in the past or read minds to tell things that can be identified with study and common sense If in 2020, you still think 16th-18th century Europeans knew enough about African empires and states then you have a problem my man. How do you expect people who never left the coast to know enough about big empires and wealthy Kings in the hinterlands? European sources of that period have been studied and most details found to be misconceptions and errors. Even kingdoms that they heard about from the coast were mispositioned on the map or given too much territory on the map ![]() Here is a 16th century map of africa by Sebastian Münster....the best (compared to other maps) i have seen of this period, yet even filled with so much errors. let me give you just one interesting example... right around the middle you can see Regnum Organe which refers to Ile-ife (ie. kingdom of the Oghene). The kingdom is awfully mispositioned and given a territory that boarders Nubia, it is also futher north than Mali (Regnum Melli) Think about it, it's not a difficult situation to understand 5 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 2:28pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
samuk:this is not true. To the average Yoruba, edo is actually just "a distant Yoruba group" No Yoruba person who grew up in Yorùbáland around Yoruba influences would think Edo are igbo |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 9:25pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
macof: Wow. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 1:14am On Mar 23, 2020 |
macof: Then there are many ignorant Yoruba people who grew up in Yorubaland. I have seen many who grew up in Ibadan, Lagos and so on and refer to everybody after Ore as Igbo. Even many Igbo believe Benin & Yoruba are virtually same. You cannot imagine the level of ignorance among the larger ethnic groups. The Yoruba do not surprise me. Most only travel within SW until Abuja became popular. Many Yoruba probably know more about Peckham & Hackney than Nigeria. Aside military, NYSC, NNPC and banking jobs that take some Yoruba outside SW, most do not go out. Those professional cadre would have mixed with many ethnic group through higher education & work anyway. But still VERY many Yoruba display outstanding ignorance. Even Igbo that usually cross Edo State to enter SW, many still err in that regard. In any case, having several tribes within Benin Empire was the normal thing. We didn't see it as unusual. Even today Edo State TV reads news in Igbo, Yoruba, Urhobo, Izon, etc. But of late this accommodating attitude stemming from imperial times now seems a weakness. That will have to change. It seems everyone is now going towards tribal supremacy, nationalism, etc. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 2:09am On Mar 23, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Well I think such ignorance is innocent and understandable. Edo and Yoruba do share immense similarities 2. you have no option but to accommodate the diversity in Edo state because otherwise a problem will arise. Its not their fault that they are in Edo state Maybe treat the minorities in Edo state respectfully and Nigeria can treat the minorities more as they wish. So don't act as if you are doing them a favour |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 8:16am On Mar 23, 2020 |
macof:It's obvious you have a different agenda. Your own is possibly to Stoke disaffection. My point is simple enough. Benin has and had people of different ethnicities for centuries. Many distinguished themselves and are now even part of Benin elite. Like Governor Obaseki whose great great grandfather came from Anioma. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 9:02am On Mar 23, 2020 |
AreaFada2: You guys should stop reading news in Igbo please. It is spoiling our agenda. Read it in Yoruba, Benin, Urhobo and Izon only. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 9:05am On Mar 23, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Obaseki is an Edo man please. Stop this narrative please. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by gregyboy(m): 1:15pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
AreaFada2: The grand parents were benins The oba had appiint them to rule the anioma people obaseki had left anioma areas back to edo because life wasnt easy for him there |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by gregyboy(m): 1:16pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: I just tiya If you want to tell a stiey tell it proper and not half baked |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 1:22pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
gregyboy: You are a blatant liar. Oba of Benin presides over few local governments in Edo state. I wonder how someone was so influential just to lose it in twinkle of an eye. The Benin narrative is full of lies and moreover that was then and not now. Anything Benin ends in Edo state and similarities with yorubas. That's all. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by gregyboy(m): 1:28pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: Am talking of as early as 19century |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 1:39pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
gregyboy: Years has passed, many things has happened and why are you spreading such narrative as if it was yesterday? |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 5:08pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
gregyboy:Story. That is Obaseki family story. Twisted possibly by chief Obaseki to persuade the British if they could make him Oba when Oba Ovonramwen was in Calabar. Claiming his ancestor was once a Benin Prince sent to rule in Anioma. Read about Obaseki's ancestor Ogbeide Oyoo and Oba Adolor. We know the current Obas, Obis and others who were Benin Princes in Benin history. Like Eleko/Oba of Eko/Lagos, Ogiamie Olu of Warri, etc. But Obaski's ancestors are unknown in Benin before Oba Adolor brought them from Anioma about 1848. If we know Benin Princes from 1480s and 1500s, why won't we know his " alleged princely ancestors"? If at all they were Benin, they weren't rulers anywhere. Otherwise Oba Adolor would have restored him to that Anioma throne. Because the family claim they were cheated out of that Anioma throne. Such rulers must be sent a native chalk confirming their vassal position by a every Oba of Benin. In 1818, Deji Arakale of Akure refused that chalk. He even murdered Osague, the Oba's emissary. On Benin soldiers' advancement to Akure he fled to the Ewi of Ado-Ekiti but the Ewi promptly sent him away. All the rulers he ran to refused him. Eventually one of such rulers at Uhen instead of helping him, delivered him to the head of Benin army chief Ezomo. The Deji was promptly beheaded for his rebellion. The man Oba Ovonramwen gave the newly created Obaseki chieftaincy title in 1888/1889 was his childhood friend. The father of this childhood friend was son of an Anioma immigrant called Osifo Oyoo, who Oba Adolor met in quasi Anioma exile while still strategizing to get his throne. This Anioma friend followed him to Benin when he became Oba. His friend became an Omada. One of those young men who stand by the Oba bearing a sceptre called Ada. Recognised Benin Princes do not do sceptre bearer. That first rubbishes the idea that they were known Princes appointed to rule anywhere in the empire previously. Like any hustling immigrant Oyoo was strategizing to rise through the ranks and certainly had ambitions for his children. Making his son close to the future king was one sure way out. He made it as his son became the first Obaseki of Benin. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AmuDimpka: 7:25pm On Mar 23, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: Even Esan who are their cousins no even send them they want to bring their madness to Igbo Anioma area ....look at tiny Benin 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 1:17am On Mar 24, 2020 |
AmuDimpka: Must you display your ignorance publicly, have you not be following the thread? Did you not read where Nnamdi Azikiwe said the old Benin empire extended to Onitsha and he was a descendant. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 1:20am On Mar 24, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: You are now being mischievous, if Nnamdi Azikiwe said Onitsha was founded by descendants of Old Benin empire, why asked about Asaba that is just a stone throw from Benin City. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 7:43am On Mar 24, 2020 |
samuk: Please Asaba to Benin and Asaba to Onitsha which one is more nearer? Listen to yourself if you're not being mischievous...by saying Benin founded Igboland..is that not what you mean? We have over time x-ray similarities but found none , so how come these places were founded by Benins.. Bring a Benin and Igbo man...the difference will be clear bring Benin and Yoruba man... the similarities is way inseparable. While not doubting certain things but you're totally economical with the truth. Let me deviate a little bit....even an asaba man will support biafra same as onitsha man but a Benin man will be against it same way a Yoruba man would. So how come the people that founded a place now thinks differently and against same people that he founded and co-habits. Why the difference? 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 7:46am On Mar 24, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Anioma is a recent acronym. Which particular place in Anioma? |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 8:03am On Mar 24, 2020 |
MelesZenawi:Do you want to know for real education or to cast doubt? So that I can tell you the debt of detail commensurate with your motive. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 8:07am On Mar 24, 2020 |
AreaFada2: There is no motive here. The acronym you are using is recent and not in unison with the years you are calling. Anioma is a recent cojoined words and your explanation doesn't match with the word. So explain with time and name in line with the year you are mentioning if not then it will sound fabricated. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by AreaFada2: 8:41am On Mar 24, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: The year is already in my previous post. Allegedly it was Nsukwa Kingdom/Chiefdom. But Prince Erediauwa (who became Oba Adolor) was in exile actually in Ewohinmi, which was his mother's village. Today in Esanland. But he was also visiting areas like Isi that was under Nsukwa those days. If you know that area, all not too far from Agbor. So some accounts even say they were from Agbor. Saying Anioma is just for convenience to let people without knowledge of the area understand the location. What we know in Benin is that Ogbeide Oyoo came with Prince Erediauwa from Ewohinmwin/Isi/Nsukwa. His son rose from scepter bearer to Ineh (the head of palace society of chiefs who cater for the princes/princess & the queens' welfare). Ineh is also head of the Royal Guild of Bronze Casters. Through that position he made his son Agho Obaseki the playmate of the Crown prince who became Oba Ovonramwen in 1888. A separate Palace society of chiefs, the Iweguae takes care of the Oba's personal household. Leader is Chief Esere. Yet another palace society of chiefs, the Iwebo, are Keepers of the King's Regalia & Wardrobe, This is led by Chief Uwangue. Iwebo chiefs in imperial times used to become very wealthy. Because they were also in charge of finance/taxes, tributes from vassal lands, commerce and trade. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 8:51am On Mar 24, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Well from your submission, one thing stand out and that is the name Ewohinmwin...today Esan and it will be more understandable if we conclude that Obaseki has full ties with Esans. The rest sounds like make up of a sojourn to another land. Benins can't be claiming Igboland when they actually reasons against same people. People that have been together for too long are known to have common understanding and struggles. Why is this particular case difference...can you explain? |
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