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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 6:06pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11:So because they're not breaking boulders or writing lines of codes it does mean thay they're not working hard more than the average Joe? Raumdeuter has already answered your question of hardworking in his post. Let me add a little, a system analysts who's written scripts to automate some of his works if he earns more due to this, another system analyst who isn't so good at script writing and does the work manually but wastes time and he's paid less- does it mean that the second analyst is treated unfairly? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 6:09pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Tax waivers should be granted as appropriate but not at the expense of the overall health of the economy. I'd say tax waivers should be granted to startups |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 6:10pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
spillo1: They also control the media to brainwash people to think billionaires actually earned it. It's so pathetic |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by biomustry: 6:11pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
A40:I know they are not sir, I thought it was about it's fatality rate |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 6:18pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Bauchi Governor don catch Corona. This one na real the Rich also cry The only positive is the healthcare system these people refused to fix they are forced to rely on now |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 6:20pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Meanwhile. . . Does it mean the world isn't working hard? 2 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:21pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: I am left leaning, and I 'understand' where you're coming from, but you sound like you're repeating a mantra without a full understanding of the argument you're trying to make. It's typical of virtue signallers trying to partially regurgitate leftist theory because it's trendy. There are two things that every human being needs to produce resources 1. An ability to develop intellectual property 2. The rights to protect developed intellectual property. Scenario A: If you have 1, but not 2 , you end up with Nigeria and Current China, where patent and copyright infringement is not a thing. The common man has no incentive to innovate, because the big cabals will use their economy of scale to mass produce your invention at such a cheap rate that you could never compete, and your business will die. The result is that money is concentrated in the hands of the few. Scenario B You have 2, but not 1. This manifests in pure communism where the government will take ownership of your brilliant idea and may use it to benefit the country, and while they would protect the trade secrets from other countries, you won't personally see a penny from it. The common man has no incentive to innovate when there's very little personal gain in it for himself. The result: no innovation, and so the government has to rely heavily on forced manual labour e.g Stalinist Russia and Maoist China. Money and Power is still concentrated in the hands of the few, except they're all government officials Scenario C. You have 1, and 2. The common man has the ability to innovate. The government promises to protect his ability to profit from that innovation. The result is America and Western Europe. Yes there are still few billionaires, but there's more than in China or Russia. There are way more millionaires than anywhere else in the previous scenarios, and the individual standard of living is a lot higher. All common man has to do, in theory, is to find that innovation that will make him the money, and that's what niggas are doing in silicone valley, old Street roundabout, and football pitches all over Europe You cannot maintain this system and say billionaires cannot exist, otherwise you're moving to scenario B. The question here really should be how can we maximise the positive impact of these billionaires to the life of those who haven't hammered. That was the policy Tony Blair used to become the most popular pm in modern British history. I personally believe in higher taxation for the rich, but not to the point where they will run away. There has to be incentive for them to stay, because trust me countries like Ireland are out there willing to almost forgo taxation for big companies and billionaires, to attract their business there Find the balance by taxing the super-rich as much as we possibly can, and set up structures to prevent them from just creating monopolies everywhere and buying up everything. Saying billionaires should not exist is just a stüpid thing to say. 12 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 6:23pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
iamoyindamola: Bill Gates is not benevolent. All the countries his charities helped were the same countries that exported key ingredients in computer parts. You don’t get points for making your business more profitable. If you do something good because it makes you more money, then you’re not doing something morally praiseworthy |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 6:25pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
spillo1:This is what I told raumdeuter . No one can legitimately earn a billion dollars, or contribute work worth a billion dollars. If you worked every single day and were paid $5000 per day, it would take 548 years to earn a billion dollars. Most of them don't understand |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:28pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: Did Gates get these materials for free or he bought it in the market? The books and food you consumed to become a successful engineers, did the bookseller or garri seller have a right to your wealth after you paid for their services 10yrs ago? 2. if he didnt give back in form of charity, who will arrest him or what law has he broken 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:29pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: You keep saying if you work. You dont have to work, you can get people to work for you while you pay them a fraction of what you make Like I asked, does Dangote need to drive his 5,000 trailers himself? If each trailer makes him 1M and he has 5,000 of them. How much is that? already 5billion and he doesnt even need to touch the steering |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 6:30pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: Better phrase would be "no one ever earns a billion dollars" |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 6:32pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:What he is saying is that bill gate has not contributed any work worth to earn a billion dollars. Realistically nobody can. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 6:35pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:You are making sense egbon. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:37pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: This is a wack analogy. Billionaires aren't exchanging their time for money, which is what work is. Most of them became rich from selling products or services for money. You do not pay bill gates for the amount of days he works in a year. You pay him for Microsoft office. Understand this and your argument has no more merit. 10 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 6:40pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx:Dayo will tell you he brought the idea of Microsoft forgetting it's not the idea that made Microsoft a multi billionaire company but the execution of that idea carried out by others. To dayo one idea means he's worth everything. So if you create an innovation and becomes a giant corporation, makes $100,000,000,000 (that's one-hundred billion). You gonna keep giving that guy ninety-nine billion dollars every year because he had the idea and when he dies you transfer it to his children. They don't know what they saying. Under the right system Billionaires wouldn't exist. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 6:42pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx:Gbam. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:42pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx:Bill Gates ideas has sold billions of personal computers and Operating Systems, plus enterprise solutions all over the world, If you discover a formular for Corona and sell each tablet for $10, You borrow money hire many chemists to mix this your formular together to sell. You sit down and they sell 20M tablets, How much are you worth? \After a while Pfizer approach you to buy your factory and your formular, you sell your formular to Pfizer and collect $4 per tablet, while you chill in Bahamas. Are you not a billionaire? Do you think, 1 person will sit down and make the 20M tablets before you can say he is working? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 6:46pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Your analysis are always top-notch...cheers 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:46pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11: You don't have to give him ninety-nine billion every year. It is not tax You don't have to use Windows, Linux is free. So if there's a free alternative, why should Bill gates be penalised for selling a product to people that don't want free stuff? Are you normal at all? Why are you even typing this nonsense from your phone? Why are you not doing it the ancestor way by posting using calabash and water? 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 6:47pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Is that the work worth that makes you a billionaire? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:49pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:there is nobody that knows you very well that will see the bolded and not know that it is a big fat lie. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:49pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx: The formular that you found that cures a disease and meets a need that millions worldwide want. That is what makes you a billionaire, whether you found it through lab research, or you get the revelation in your sleep. Ronaldo is a billionaire because he is a specialist in what people want, See diggz my friend, he is a specialist in ten-ten but no one wants to watch him Thats why one is a billionaire 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:50pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx: No. What is the value of labour? Let me ask you this? Are you currently employed? If you are, can you justify your current salary? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 6:56pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Ronaldo is not a billionaire stop saying that shiiit. If Billy get shot today and dies will Microsoft stop to exist? No it will function just fine same as Amazon or Dangote company. No billionaire actually deserves the wealth they have accumulated. Value is created by working people not by managers. There is a fair margin to pay them greater but that is nowhere in the billions. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:57pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11:you are sounding funny with this. Who stopped anybody from doing what they are doing. You should be appreciating them instead. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:58pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
airmark:like Terry is a carryalong. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:01pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Melvyn11:what policy and system was broken when Abraham and Jacob were getting rich according to the Bible? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:02pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx: If Bill Gates die, Microsoft will not die. The value they have added to the world buy their innovation is what made them billionaires How many Windows OS are in use today worldwide? How many companies world wide leverage Microsoft infrastructure. All these created by the company he founded the company where he gets royalty from WHat is the fair margin per laptop sold, per software sold, per each Azure license O365 license, Windows server license etc that he sells? Add that together and let me know the calculations |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 7:03pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Greatihex:What is my business with Abraham and Jacob. Ha beg you chill jor |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 7:04pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Greatihex:You have no idea what you are talking about. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:09pm On Mar 24, 2020 |
Godx: Value is not produced by employees, that's a fallacy. A single Microsoft developer is not creating value for customers. Nobody is buying his individual lines of code and using it. Nobody is trying to either. The only thing people want to buy is Microsoft office. That is the value proposition that Microsoft offers - If you pay them, they will give you a unique quality software to create documents with. The only things an employee can trade is their skill and their time, and no employee is unique because skill and time are not unique. Microsoft decide to replace several employees today, and can go to any computer school in Oshodi and collect students for intensive training. I promise you several Nigerians jump at the opportunity....to work for free for years sef. Billionaires aren't billionaires because they are selling their time and skill. They are billionaires because they are selling a unique product or service. 5 Likes 1 Share |
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