macof:
Hmm. Interesting and could be very well not far from the truth

But the northern minorities and Christians are political foolish. Instead of banding together you prefer to remain small

Collyweed:


If you understood Igbo, then you would have known that Kamsiyochukwu can never be a Ngwa name.

Efewestern:


I used to think so, but not anymore, The northern minorities aren't just fortunate enough. It's actually difficult for people of different ethnicity to come together to archive a common goal, In situations such as this, the Major ethnic group, even if they do not make 30% of the entire population will use their unity in strength and a game of divide and rule to dominate 70% of the remaining population (minorities).

I have come to realize In life that it's always disastrous having minorities with a major group, the minorities, no matter how many they are, will be subdued. We have seen this happen over and over again all over the world.

saaron:
Your description of northern christians as politically foolish is very correct. That's why christians are being slaughtered and dominated over by fulani savages.
ONE NIGERIA IS DEAD!

senatordave1:

Kaduna is 55% Muslims or 60%

Nowenuse:


Kaduna city or Kaduna state? Which one?

Efewestern:


I used to think so, but not anymore, The northern minorities aren't just fortunate enough. It's actually difficult for people of different ethnicity to come together to archive a common goal, In situations such as this, the Major ethnic group, even if they do not make 30% of the entire population will use their unity in strength and a game of divide and rule to dominate 70% of the remaining population (minorities).

I have come to realize In life that it's always disastrous having minorities with a major group, the minorities, no matter how many they are, will be subdued. We have seen this happen over and over again all over the world.

hammer0:



Let me access this your logic.

So If Igbo was smaller in size like Urhobo, it will mean Urhobo and Igbo will be more united?

Let me ask u, is Urhobo by itself united? Let us not even mention the Isoko, just Urhobo by itself?

My friend, stop talking nonsense.

Always talk wat u know.

Nowenuse:


You are very very correct with this.
Uniting minority groups against a majority group is a very very difficult thing to do.

That is why minorities and a majority must never be put together under the same political unit/structure.

Nowenuse:
2) THE DEMOGRAPHY OF THE LARGEST URBAN AREAS.

These are the 10 largest by land area (approx 100km² and above) and arguably the 10 most populated urban areas in the north.

Abuja, Kano, Kaduna, Jos, Maiduguri, Ilorin, Makurdi, Sokoto, Zaria & Bauchi/Jimeta (Yola) at a tie.


1> ABUJA URBAN AREA (predominantly Christian, significant Muslim minority).

Abuja metropolitan area is the biggest in the north and it has surpassed Kano in population as various estimates put the population of Abuja metropolis (which includes 4 major satellite urban areas/towns like Karu, Suleja, Bwari & Gwagwalada) at over 6 million people.
Abuja has maintained it's position as the fastest growing urban area on the African continent for the last 15 years.

Anybody who has lived in Abuja or any of it's surrounding urban areas cannot argue that it is a Christian majority terrain.

Only Suleja/Zuba-Madalla urban area is something like a 50-50.
Karu Urban, which is the biggest and most populated satelite urban area of Abuja is overwhelmingly Christian, while Abuja Municipal, Gwagwalada & Bwari are majority Christian with a significant muslim minority.


2> KANO URBAN (Overwhelmingly Muslim)

Being surpassed by Abuja as the largest and most populated urban area in the last decade, Kano is now the 2nd largest and most populated urban area in the north.
There is a reasonable Christian minority in Kano city, but it is not significant enough because it is dominant in only 1 suburb of the city (Sabon gari).


3> KADUNA URBAN (Half Christian, Half Muslim).

Anybody who has been to or lived in Kaduna urban will definitely agree that Kaduna urban is something like a 50/50 because the Kaduna river divides the city into almost 2 equal parts, Christians on one side and muslims on one side, especially since the Sharia crisis of year 2000.

All the over 20 suburbs south of the Kaduna river are exclusively christian (except Nasarawa, Trikaniya, Kakuri & Barnawa), who have a significant muslim minority population.

All the over 20 suburbs north of the Kaduna river are exclusively muslim except for Kabala west, Sabongida/Mando, Central area & Kurmin Mashi that are predominantly Christian or 50-50. Then Malali, Kawo, Kabala doki, Kabala costain & Angwan Rimi with a significant Christian minority.


4> JOS- BUKURU URBAN (Majority Christian, significant Muslim minority).

Jos, like Kaduna used to be religiously mixed in the past until repeated religious crisis polarized the city along religious lines.
The majority of the over 50 suburbs that make up Jos-Bukuru urban are exclusively christian.
Muslims can be said to be a significant minority in Jos, because they have up to 7 suburbs exclusive to them and like 5 others which they share with Christians.
Most of these muslims are Hausa fulanis, Plateau indigenes, Yorubas and other northern/middlebelt muslims.


5> MAIDUGURI (Majority Muslim, significant Christian minority).

Maiduguri being the largest city in Northeastern Nigeria and the first capital city in the Northeast (old Northeastern state) saw to the immigration of everyone from the Northeast.

Anyone who has been to Maiduguri knows that it is predominantly muslim. However, Christians can be said to have a strong minority population because most of the suburbs in the Western part of the city are either Christian majority or mixed in a 50/50 manner.
E.g of these Western suburbs where Christians abound in large numbers are Maduganari, Damboa road, Dala, Pompomari, Ngomari, Abuja Sheraton, Bulumkutu, Jerusalem Wulari, Gamboru e.t.c
Most of the Christians in Maiduguri are from Southern Borno and Adamawa, then Igbos and other northern christians.


6> ILORIN ( Half muslim, Half Christian).

Anyone who has been to Ilorin knows that it is heavily something like a 50-50 right now.
Ilorin indigenes are majority muslim, but the high immigration of Yorubas from Kwara south, Kogi West and other parts of the Southwest that are predominantly Christian has heavily doused this absolute majority population to become something like a 50-50.
Even if muslims are more, it would be something like a 60-40. It is not a clear majority.


7> MAKURDI (Overwhelmingly Christian).

Makurdi is almost entirely Christian.
Muslims who are mostly Hausa settlers are only found in good numbers around the Modern market.
No suburb is muslim dominated.


8> SOKOTO (Overwhelmingly Muslim)

Sokoto city is Overwhelmingly muslim. Christians are found in good numbers in a few suburbs in the Southeastern part of the city (Filin jirgi, Kwanawa e.t.c areas).
Most of these Christians are Southern Nigerians together with Zurus from Kebbi state and other northern christians.


9> ZARIA (Majority muslim, significant Christian minority).

Zaria is a muslim majority city.
Christians however are a strong minority in the city because they dominate some suburbs like Wusasa, Sabongari, Samaru, Palladan e.t.c

Most the Christians in Zaria are from Southern Kaduna, Hausa indigenes, Igbos and other northern christians.


10> BAUCHI (Majority Muslim, Significant Christian minority).

Bauchi city is Predominantly muslim.
Christians however are a strong minority in Bauchi city cos they either dominate or have half of the population in a few suburbs along Tafawa Balewa road & Jos road.
E.g of these Christian dominated or half christian suburbs are Yelwa, Rafin zurfi, Gudum Sayawa, Kagadama, Tsakani, Gwallameji, Sabon Kaura, Wuntin Dada, New GRA e.t.c

Most of these Christians are Sayawa and other Bauchi, Plateau & Gombe indigenes, then Igbos.


10> JIMETA (YOLA) (Half Christian, Half muslim).

Jimeta is very much of a 50-50 and is clearly observable for anyone who has visited the city.
And this can be very much butressed by the very religiously mixed nature of Adamawa state.
Old Yola town however is muslim majority, while Viniklang is Christian majority. Both towns can be considered part of greater JIMETA URBAN.


Conclusion.
Northern christians even though they are a heavily rural people, they still have strong representation within most northern cities.
This wouldn't have been the case if they were a very small minority as many people falsely and wrongly assume.

Efewestern:


Chief, make your contributions without going the tribal way. humans, regardless of where they come from will always want to dominate weaker or smaller groups, it's one attribute we can never let go.

We aren't even talking about unity, but being treated fairly by a major group, the chances of being dominated is 90%, which can never happen in a union with similar smaller groups.

This is common with humans all over the world. I won't respond if you continue playing the tribal card.



It's impossible uniting smaller groups against a major group, situations like this, some smaller groups knowing fully well they aren't capable of putting up a good fight align with the bigger group, leaving their own identity to forge with the bigger group just to remain relevant, thereby expanding the influence of the major group.

A very funny situation, it takes a lot of sacrifices and determination to pull your own people out of such union. A common experience if you study the relationships among humans.

Takara:
Op your post is full of sentiments. Leave sentiment oets use facts

1. Sixteen out ofNinenetee Northern States have Muslim Governors this seems to I play that sixteen out of the Nineteen States are muslim majority states

2. Only three states ( Plateau, Benue, and Taraba )appears to have a Christian majority.

3.. most of the other states are so predominantly muslim that both Governors and Deputy Governors are muslims with the exception of two or three that have christian Deputy Governors (GOMBE and Kogi states)

3. Kaduna is clearly Muslim majority, of the three Senatorial Districts o ly one is christian majority with a significant muslim minority including the present deputy Governor.. The Christian's in Kaduna state are numerically comparable to the muslims in Edo State. Oth Re majority in one out of three Senatorial Districts .just that the Christian's in kaduna state are more vocal

4. Kogi is also Muslim majority the two largest ethnic groups igala and ebira are predominantly muslim.

5. Indigenous Northern Christians are probably laround 20% of the population ( I mean with three majority states out of sixteen)

Efewestern:


Chief, make your contributions without going the tribal way. humans, regardless of where they come from will always want to dominate weaker or smaller groups, it's one attribute we can never let go.

We aren't even talking about unity, but being treated fairly by a major group, the chances of being dominated is 90%, which can never happen in a union with similar smaller groups.

This is common with humans all over the world. I won't respond if you continue playing the tribal card.



It's impossible uniting smaller groups against a major group, situations like this, some smaller groups knowing fully well they aren't capable of putting up a good fight align with the bigger group, leaving their own identity to forge with the bigger group just to remain relevant, thereby expanding the influence of the major group.

A very funny situation, it takes a lot of sacrifices and determination to pull your own people out of such union. A common experience if you study the relationships among humans.

Nowenuse:


You have a very strong point. Uniting smaller groups against a major group is difficult, but not when religion is the criteria.

Hausa fulanis use religion to divide the north and give themselves a majority status. If the Christians also decide to use religion to unite the minority groups, then they will control the minorities region which is bigger than the Hausa fulani region.

As it stands, all Christian dominated tribes of the north clearly know that they can never form any sort of alliance with the Hausa fulanis rather than themselves. Gbagyis tried it in Kaduna state, but it backfired on them. Tivs tried it in 2015 by supporting Buhari with the hope that they will get Senate Presidency, it also backfired and they were heavily slaughtered by the herdsmen years later.

Northern Christian minority tribes are very easy to unite on a regional level because they are very small in size. Except for the Tivs, Idomas, Igedes & Igalas.

Take Plateau, Nasarawa, Southern Kaduna, FCT, Taraba, Adamawa, Southern Gombe, Southern Borno, Southern Bauchi, Eastern & Northern Niger & Southern Kebbi for instance. All these places are dominated by predominantly Christian tribes and these tribes put together are more than 200 in number!

Apart from the Gbagyi, no other tribe is up to 5% of the population of all these tribes put together. Even the Gbagyis who are the largest are like 8% of the union and they are heavily decentralized.

So, no tribe in such a union can feel too big or too important because you are like a grain of sand on a seashore.

This is very much unlike the case of your own Niger Delta region where the tribes are larger in size and everyone feels very important and indispensable. These are some of the reasons why I strongly feel that a Niger Delta republic as a country can never really work.

Efewestern:


@Bolded, then I ask, what's stopping them from uniting if they can easily be united? You place too much emphasis on religion, it hasn't helped in uniting these people, while it's a factor of unity, it isn't all that is required for 200 unique groups to unite for a common cause.

These groups do not look at the bigger picture, they place turn much emphasis on their personal interests like You talked about the Tivs throwing support for GMB, hoping to get something in return. If for example you manage to bring them together, individual tribes can easily be bribed by the big two.

I may be wrong, just judging from my experience so far with middle beltans.

hammer0:



I dont agree with your claims.

The fact that the Anioma are peaceful despite being a part of a major group underscores your analogy.

The smaller groups in Delta seem unable to live together and constantly in conflict amongst themselves.

This is the same-thing, i was saying with my earlier submission rephrased.


I have added a recent video to jog your memory.


So wat am saying is that your submission is wrong, because amongst equals the chances of violent and rampant conlict will be very high, meaning they cannot live peacefully together.


Wat you propose is straight up Anarchy or Chaos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-khbU9vzCY

hammer0:
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Forget this your big group obsession.

Where u have any group, one will always be larger than the other.


Your parents did not give birth to all of you the same day.


Even whilst you are calling Fulani names.


Note, Tiv and Jukun fight just as much as you do in Delta State.


They dont even share state but boundaries.


One lives in Taraba and the other in Benue.


Size has nothing to do with domination, strenght does.


A tiny island Britaimn ruled more than half the world.

Efewestern:


Using Delta state/Anioma as a reference is so faulty, Delta State is well balanced, it will be impossible for any group to dominate, Anioma plays a role of balance and check, remove from the picture and watch how smaller groups the will be so scared of being dominated.

Like during the Midwest regional government, Urhobo acted as a balance and check to the influence of the Binis, but same can't be said about a union of minorities with a SINGLE major ethnic group.

Amongst unequals the chances of being dominated is more higher, conflicts can easily be resolved.

Efewestern:


My issue with some of you is that you easily dismiss the worries of others, a minority can never disregard the fear of a bigger group, we owe it to our children to fight for their interests.

You speak this way probably because you come from a major group.

Efewestern:


@Bolded, then I ask, what's stopping them from uniting if they can easily be united? You place too much emphasis on religion, it hasn't helped in uniting these people, while it's a factor of unity, it isn't all that is required for 200 unique groups to unite for a common cause.

These groups do not look at the bigger picture, they place turn much emphasis on their personal interests like You talked about the Tivs throwing support for GMB, hoping to get something in return. If for example you manage to bring them together, individual tribes can easily be bribed by the big two.

I may be wrong, just judging from my experience so far with middle beltans.

Nowenuse:


Fulanis cannot mess with certain Northern Christian tribes .... They only mess with the weaker ones.
The only problem comes because the stronger tribes are not helping the weaker ones cos everyone believes in his/her ethnic group alone.

A unity of all these tribes will put an immediate end to fulani havoc.

Nowenuse:


1. It is very very wrong to judge the religious composition of a state based on politics. Muslims tend to play politics better because they take it more seriously and that is why in a place that is 50-50 or even 40% Muslims, they end up dominating the politics of that place.

2. Borno & Kebbi states have both governor & deputy as muslims, but Kebbi south & Borno south have more Christians. Zuru town is the biggest town in Southern Kebbi and it a Christian dominated town and LGA.
Do not judge religious percentage based on politics.....
If you want to get a better picture of the religion of a place, check all the tribes that are there and learn about their religion.

3. You are judging rubbish by dividing Kaduna into senatorial districts and claiming that one is Muslim majority or not.
In Kaduna south, no LGA is muslim majority, but in Kaduna north you have Lere LGA and it is slightly Christian majority.
In Kaduna central, Kajuru & Chikun are Christian majority while Kaduna south LGA is a 50/50.

You are talking about significant Muslim minority in Southern Kaduna, what about northern Kaduna? Are there no Christians there?
Do you know how many Gbagyi & Kamuku Christian villages are in Birnin Gwari LGA? Do you know that all the villages surrounding Pambeguwa town in Kubau LGA are Kurama Christian communities?
Is Jaji town (a Gbagyi Christian town not in Igabi LGA)?

What about all the dozens of Hausa Christian villages in Ikara, Soba, Maikarfi & Giwa LGA? Let us not even talk about the population of Christians in Zaria & Sabongari LGA, abeg go and sleep.

Do u even know Edo state? Can u mention 1 LGA of Edo state that is muslim majority apart from Etsako west LGA? Even Etsako west is now like a 50-50 cos so many of them are leaving Islam like nonsense. My brothers wife is from South Ibie in Etsako west. I schooled so many years in Edo state and I know it more than you.
You are comparing Kaduna state where more than 10 LGAs are Christian majority with Edo state where even Auchi that used to be muslim majority is now becoming 50?
Your ignorance knows no bounds.

You cannot even compare Edo muslims to the population of Christians in Yobe!


4. Ebira is majority muslim (like 65%), but Igala can never in hell be muslim majority, do you know the way Igalas are leaving Islam? They are just like Yoruba muslims. It is only in Igala land & Auchi that u see people answering names like Blessing Muhammad & Joseph Mustapha

Southern Igala land is 90% Christian. Have you been to LGAs like Ibaji & Olamaboro? In many of the villages in both LGAs you will hardly find a mosque. Ankpa is the only LGA in Igala land where muslims are a clear majority.
Idah & Dekina are like a 50-50 while Ofu, Igalamela & Omala are like 75% Christian.
You don't know Igalas abeg. Igalas used to be like a 50-50 in the past, but due to the high conversion rates to Christianity, Igalas are now clearly christian majority (like 60-65%).

Okun people who dominate Kogi West are overwhelmingly Christian (80%).

Among the minority tribes in Kogi state, Bassa, Ogori-Magongo & Gbagyi are like 90% christian, while Egbura Koto & Mozum are 90% muslim and Kakanda people are like 50-50.

It is very impossible for muslims to be more in Kogi state.

macof:

But the northern minorities and Christians are politically foolish. Instead of BANDING TOGETHER you prefer to remain small

johnmartus:
Maybe if your parents had told you your biological father you would have know that KAMSIYOCHUKWU is a igbo name .

Naajjii:


You are still hurt and frustrated by the fact that OPERATION PYTHON dance is on STANDBY, which has frustrated attempts by elements like you.

nku5:


They will never try Taroks, Angas, Eggon etc The berom messed up by selling so much of their land

senatordave1:

Nonsense.kaduna and kogi have slightly more Muslims than Christians.dont waste your time explsining anything

hammer0:
Let us take Biafra for example.

We have a nation of people with shared history and similar culture, faith, traditional and believe system.

We are running away because one group is bigger.

or because our group is not the biggest.

After you finish running, u will find that another group will emerge the biggest group.

So wat was achieved?

It is like Delta State where Urhobo is the biggest group.

Nowenuse:


Prove it brother, prove it !

Many people foolishly judge based on politics. Politics that is highly dependent on many things.

Igala muslims had better political power over Igala Christians cos it started from old Benue state when a Tiv who is automatically a christian becomes the governor and for the sake of inclusiveness, an Igala muslim is given the deputy governor.
Igala muslims were never more than the Christians in numbers, it was done just for the sake of inclusiveness. This was exactly the same thing that happened with Nasarawa people in old Plateau state.
Hence, when Nasarawa & Kogi states were created, the muslims already had much political clout over the Christians because of the nature of politics in old Benue & old Plateau state.

The Muslim domination of Kogi & Nasarawa was caused by Benue & Plateau people. Just that we never knew things would turn out like this.
We politically empowered Igala muslims & Nasarawa Muslims in the old states for the sake of inclusiveness, not because they were the majority in those places.
In the 1999 PDP primaries of Nasarawa state, did Solomon Lar not support Abdullahi Adamu (who was his deputy governor in old Plateau state) over Solomon Ewuga?


In the case of Kaduna state, Christians only started having any political say when Katsina state left Kaduna state.
When Katsina was still part of Kaduna state, the state was like 75% Muslim and Katsina people with their numbers controlled the state and always gave Zaria people the deputy positions, leaving Southern Kaduna people to eat the crumbs from the masters table.
When Katsina was leaving, they handed over power to Zaria! The state was rearranged and structured to give Zaria people continued political advantage!
In spite of all this, a Christian emerged as the 1st elected chairman of Kaduna LGA. Can u tell me why it was possible?
Can you tell me why Sabo (the biggest Christian suburb of Kaduna) was taken away from old Kaduna LGA into Chikun LGA? Why was Saminaka taken to Kaduna north? Were they ever together with Zaria people in one senatorial district in the old Kaduna state?

People who know Kaduna state are explaining it for you and you are believing lies.

Imagine you saying Kogi state has more muslims, is it because you pass through Ebira land (Kogi central) on your way to Abuja? Then you conclude that muslims are more?