ghostwon:

Shot up, Anioma are Edo and they synthesise that by constantly claiming that their origins lay in Benin. Apart from that, precolonisl maps show their land as being part of the Benin empire/ (Benin Kingdom).



Also the current governor of Edo state is a grand son to Chief Agho Obaseki

How did this relate to the question I asked you?

You are very pathetic.

Change for good.

Osagyefo98:


How did this relate to the question I asked you?

You are very pathetic.

Change for good.

I don't give a fvck about your illogical question, I thought I was clear enough. But you are just too dumb to understand the obvious.
You are not interrogating me fool !
I prove my point and then I'm gone, answering your foolish questions is the least of my worries.

ghostwon:

I don't give a fvck about your illogical question, I thought I was clear enough. But you are just too dumb to understand the obvious.
You are not interrogating me fool !
I prove my point and then I'm gone, answering your foolish questions is the least of my worries.

This Nwa Bini and his sojourn.

Osagyefo98:


Osagyefo means Great and it is not a bini word rather a Ghanaian word.

Sam loco Efe is a bini man that resides in Igboland and can speak igbo very well. We can't use because he speaks igbo but from Edo to say Edos are Igbo...How will the logic sound in your ear?

Secondly I didn't remember claiming Delta as igbo territory.... moreover aniomas are Igbos and not Edos.

Edos are Urhobo and Itshekiris.

Mr poster, are you not confusing yourself here, you said Sam Loco Efe is a Benin man that resides in Igbo land and speaks Igbo but that doesn't make him an Igbo man.

You then turn your logic on his head by saying the people of Anioma that claim Benin descent are not Benin because they speak Igbo, so in your logic, Anioma are Igbos because they speak Igbo irrespective of what they claim to be but Sam Loco who also is in Igbo land and speaks Igbo is accepted as Benin, why the double standard and confusion.

If we were to follow your logic, Sam Loco Efe can't be Benin because he speaks Igbo like the people of Anioma since you are claiming that Anioma can't be Benin because they speak Igbo.

samuk:


Mr poster, are you not confusing yourself here, you said Sam Loco Efe is a Benin man that resides in Igbo land and speaks Igbo but that doesn't make him an Igbo man.

You then turn your logic on his head by saying the people of Anioma that claim Benin descent are not Benin because they speak Igbo, so in your logic, Anioma are Igbos because they speak Igbo irrespective of what they claim to be but Sam Loco who also is in Igbo land and speaks Igbo is accepted as Benin, why the double standard and confusion.

If we were to follow your logic, Sam Loco Efe can't be Benin because he speaks Igbo like the people of Anioma since you are claiming that Anioma can't be Benin because they speak Igbo.

How can someone speaking Igbo automatically become Bini?

Please I need clear explanation on this logic

ghostwon:

I don't give a fvck about your illogical question, I thought I was clear enough. But you are just too dumb to understand the obvious.
You are not interrogating me fool !
I prove my point and then I'm gone, answering your foolish questions is the least of my worries.

Remove your eyes from Igboland.
Well we know what we are doing.


Yorubas are here educating you on ties with them but you don't want to listen let alone learn.

Osagyefo98:



How can someone speaking Igbo automatically become Bini?

Please I need clear explanation on this logic

If someone that speaks Igbo tells you his ancestors are Yoruba, Hausa or Benin then that's what they are and not what you want them to be.

If people in Anioma and Onitsha says their ancestors are from Benin, that's what they are and not what you want or would like them to be.

If someone in England that speaks English as his/her only language says they are of Igbo descent, that is what they are, you don't force being English on them because they speak English and resides in England.

If the Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri and Obi of Iselu-Uku says they are of Benin descents, that is who they are, not what you would like them to be.

Hope this is clear enough.

samuk:


If someone that speaks Igbo tells you his ancestors are Yoruba, Hausa or Benin then that's what they are and not what you want them to be.

If people in Anioma and Onitsha says their ancestors are from Benin, that's what they are and not what you want or would like them to be.

If someone in England that speaks English as his/her only language says they are of Igbo descent, that is what they are, you don't force being English on them because they speak English and resides in England.

If the Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri and Obi of Iselu-Uku says they are of Benin descents, that is who they are, not what you would like them to be.

Hope this is clear enough.

What you wrote is s mere reference not an answer to the question I asked.

Your reply doesn't answer the question and not in anyway clear.

They are from Benin but are members of Ohanaeze ndigbo, speak Igbo and everything Igbo....

Can you vividly explain well not all these citation.

How did such Happen

Osagyefo98:



What you wrote is s mere reference not an answer to the question I asked.

Your reply doesn't answer the question and not in anyway clear.

They are from Benin but are members of Ohanaeze ndigbo, speak Igbo and everything Igbo....

Can you vividly explain well not all these citation.

How did such Happen

If you are still asking how a descendant of Benin can become a member of Ohanaeze indigo, after I have gave you an example of how a descendant of Igbo can become a MBE (member of the British Empire), speaks English as his only language and bear an English name and still retains his history as an Igbo man, then your exposure and sense of history is very limited and I may not be able to help you.

The Queen of England and members of the British royal family are of German descent. They all speak English, answer English names and occupied the highest echelons of the British society, all these have not eroded their German ancestry.

If you still have further questions and doubts on how all these could happen, you need to educate yourself some more.

It's up to people to tell you who their ancestors are, it's not for you to doubt them and decide for them even if they speak Igbo, bear Igbo names and attend Ohaneze meetings.

Obi of Iselu-Uku in Anioma amongst many others said his people have Benin ancestry, Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said him and his Onitsha people have Benin ancestry, that is their history, you can research yours instead of doubting them and trying to tell them their histories.

It may interest you to know that when the British banished Oba Ovonramwen Nogaisi to Calabar in 1897, the Oba had more wives and children in Calabar until his death in 1914, those children remained in Calabar and when you come across one of their descendants in the future and they tell you of their Benin royal ancestry, you will begin to question and doubt them because they now probably speak Calabar language and bear Calabar names.

Hope you can now appreciate how limited your sense of history is not to know how such could happen.

samuk:


If you are still asking how a descendant of Benin can become a member of Ohanaeze indigo, after I have gave you an example of how a descendant of Igbo can become a MBE (member of the British Empire), speaks English as his only language and bear an English name and still retains his history as an Igbo man, then your exposure and sense of history is very limited and I may not be able to help you.

The Queen of England and members of the British royal family are of German descent. They all speak English, answer English names and occupied the highest echelons of the British society, all these have not eroded their German ancestry.

If you still have further questions and doubts on how all these could happen, you need to educate yourself some more.

It's up to people to tell you who their ancestors are, it's not for you to doubt them and decide for them even if they speak Igbo, bear Igbo names and attend Ohaneze meetings.

Obi of Iselu-Uku in Anioma amongst many others said his people have Benin ancestry, Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said him and his Onitsha people have Benin ancestry, that is their history, you can research yours instead of doubting them and trying to tell them their histories.

It may interest you to know that when the British banished Oba Ovonramwen Nogaisi to Calabar in 1897, the Oba had more wives and children in Calabar until his death in 1914, those children remained in Calabar and when you come across one of their descendants in the future and they tell you of their Benin royal ancestry, you will begin to question and doubt them because they now probably speak Calabar language and bear Calabar names.

Hope you can now appreciate how limited your sense of history is not to know how such could happen.

So Ndigbo is now Indigo?

It is obvious you don't have respect for ndigbo.

I can't call this mistake. this is the height of insolence.

Osagyefo98:



So Ndigbo is now Indigo?

It is obvious you don't have respect for ndigbo.

I can't call this mistake. this is the height of insolence.

Guy, you are either very petty or a joker to latched on a typographical error from all that was written to educate you or is that how you say thank you.

samuk:


Guy, you are either very petty or a joker to latched on a typographical error from all that was written to educate you or is that how you say thank you.

I should thank you for Insults?

Are you serious?

Instead of correcting your mistake, you are proving arrogant on it.

Osagyefo98:



I should thank you for Insults?

Are you serious?

Instead of correcting your mistake, you are proving arrogant on it.

Arrogant?

If I was arrogant, I wouldn't have taken my time to go into details to educate you on how you could find people of Benin descents across Nigeria because it's an old Empire with many footprints across Nigeria and West Africa.

At least you now know not to doubt or question people from Calabar that may claim Benin royal ancestry in the future even though they bear Calabar names, speaks Calabar language and attend Calabar union meetings. Same applies to other tribes.

I will be surprised, if you still think all these free history lessons are not enough for you to thank me for.

samuk:


Arrogant?

If I was arrogant, I wouldn't have taken my time to go into details to educate you on how you could find people of Benin descents across Nigeria because it's an old Empire with many footprints across Nigeria and West Africa.

At least you now know not to doubt or question people from Calabar that may claim Benin royal ancestry in the future even though they bear Calabar names, speaks Calabar language and attend Calabar union meetings. Same applies to other tribes.

Anywhere oba passes his ancestors and ancestry are created.

Are you this low and petty on this your Bini kingdom logic?

As at today such kingdom you are imagining is just fiction.

You leave your people and be dragging another man's land.

Who do you?

Accept Bini are Yorubas and Yorubas are binis before creating inconsequential logic

Osagyefo98:


Anywhere oba passes his ancestors and ancestry are created.

Are you this low and petty on this your Bini kingdom logic?

As at today such kingdom you are imagining is just fiction.

You leave your people and be dragging another man's land.

Who do you?

Accept Bini are Yorubas and Yorubas are binis before creating inconsequential logic

Do you even know the meaning of the word logic, what I stated about Oba Ovonramwen having more wives and children in Calabar between 1897 and 1914 is a fact that can easily be verified on the internet and there was no reference to land dragging in my submission.

There are photos of him and his immediate family members taken in Calabar on the internet.

His family members in Calabar didn't return back to Benin neither did they all died with him.

The house Oba Ovonramwen stayed in Calabar is preserved as a museum and tourist centre, assuming you know the meaning of this.

If you are doubting this well known history of not just Benin but of Nigeria and still can't understand all the explanations I have given you about how his descendants in Calabar can claim Benin royal ancestry, you have serious issues with comprehension and it exposes your level of education.

You don't have to loose your head for having no history of your own to be proud of, all you need to do next time when people are discussing Benin history is to simply stay out of it not to have a heartbreak.

I blame Benin people here for agueing with mumu ipob igbo people on this thread.

Stop downgrading your culture for people that were running naked before Europeans came

Astark:
I blame Benin people here for agueing with mumu ipob igbo people on this thread.

Stop downgrading your culture for people that were running naked before Europeans came

We agree to be Igbos. Leave the Igbos alone and face yorubas that says binis are Part of them. 5 local government feeling funky online.

You that live in mansion show us the pictures of bini that are scattered with bungalow and mud houses. Kingdom of mud houses.


21st century man....LOL

AworiLagosian:


Honestly this your reply stems from the deep seated reservations/position you have about the Benin-Yoruba relationship.
Did My reply ever insinuate that Benin is in the Yoruba confederation?
Fine Benin are not in any way close to Yorubas, I think that much is clear. They are on their own after-all. Are you pleased enough now?

And Yes, thank God, yur era of subduing and dominating the natives of Lagos is long gone and never to return!! You guys were e very destructive empire and anti progressive force in Southern Nigeria for ages. That is why in the whole edo state today, outside of Benin, no town even exceeds 200,000 in population. Which only buttresses my point that Beninin was a nation state that wouldn't let anything around it thrive. Benin people of those days would bring their plundering attitude all the way to Idanre, Akure, Owo, Epe just to decimate Yoruboid tribes.

which Epe? Abeg stop allocating unnecessary importance to unworthy kingdom. They were incapable of that or you provide the evidence for that.

MelesZenawi:


We agree to be Igbos. Leave the Igbos alone and face yorubas that says binis are Part of them. 5 local government feeling funky online.

You that live in mansion show us the pictures of bini that are scattered with bungalow and mud houses. Kingdom of mud houses.


21st century man....LOL

stop creating enemies, hatred and disunity where there is none.

Its only on nairaland where idiot like you start insult Benin people and try doing things to make an average Benin person hate igbo people.

I don't know what is your gain for doing that, your enemies are fulani people that is busy killing you guys and hausa and yoruba that made your region politically and economically backward.

Stop fighting shadows

Astark:
stop creating enemies, hatred and disunity where there is none.

Its only on nairaland where idiot like you start insult Benin people and try doing things to make an average Benin person hate igbo people.

I don't know what is your gain for doing that, your enemies are fulani people that is busy killing you guys and hausa and yoruba that made your region politically and economically backward.

Stop fighting shadows

I am yet to see a bini man that doesn't hate an Igbo man.

Even you be the number one hater.

MelesZenawi:


I am yet to see a bini man that doesn't hate an Igbo man.

Even you be the number one hater.

why would a Benin person hate igbo people? Have you ever been to benin?

Unlike igbo people that are very tribalist, many positions in Edo state are held by igbo.

You will hardly see any other ethnic groups most especially Benin in igbo universities and schools unlike here that igbo people are fleeing their region to study here

Astark:
why would a Benin person hate igbo people? Have you ever been to benin?

Unlike igbo people that are very tribalist, many positions in Edo state are held by igbo.

You will hardly see any other ethnic groups most especially Benin in igbo universities and schools unlike here that igbo people are fleeing their region to study here

You know quite well that you are lying but that will be story for another day.


Your former posts alone has already proved you wrong.

MelesZenawi:



You know quite well that you are lying but that will be story for another day.


Your former posts alone has already proved you wrong.

Edo is probably the most liberal state in Nigeria, it's where nobody really care about where you come from, once you prove yourself to be worthy, you can easily climb up the social ladder without tribalism holding you back.

The personal assistant to the current governor is from Anioma in Delta state.

The past government of Oshomole also had Media aids from the east.

The former Edo state APC secretary is an Igbo man, it has always be like that for hundreds of years, can you give similar examples of Edo people occupying important positions in the east?

What you take as Benin hatred of Igbo online is only a response to you and your people's online exhibition of tribalism which is often displayed through your attempts to distort, diminish and downplay Benin history.

If I'm the governor of Edo state, I'll remove those igbos from their positions and put real Edo born there.

Those universities student will be full of Edo peoope.

Igbo thinks other ethnic groups own them something, very ungrateful problematic people

Astark:
If I'm the governor of Edo state, I'll remove those igbos from their positions and put real Edo born there.

Those universities student will be full of Edo peoope.

Igbo thinks other ethnic groups own them something, very ungrateful problematic people

Audio appointment. Nobody has ever heard of such.

Secondly Benin is a federal university.

Thirdly Igbos are generally loving, cheering and friendly but you guys are full of hatred for Igbos including others like samuk.

Astark:
If I'm the governor of Edo state, I'll remove those igbos from their positions and put real Edo born there.

Those universities student will be full of Edo peoope.

Igbo thinks other ethnic groups own them something, very ungrateful problematic people

The least we could do is to accommodate them as brothers and not to condescend to your level of bigotry.

They are already having a tough time trying to dig themselves out of the hole they put themselves by planning an unsuccessful coup in 1966.

The people that once hold very important positions and even consider themselves as the pride of the nation are now fighting a losing battle and begging to be allowed Biafra.

We should continue to accommodate they not minding their insolence.

TAO11:
Nice one macof!

Keep up the great service.

I will also be joining in to this debate in the nearest time.

Keep schooling the deliberately ignorant Edo slave of the Yorubas, that is, ghostwon ---whom I have beaten blue and black so much as to cause him to dissociate himself from his prolog3111 account.

It appears it is hightime he dissociated himself from this account ghostwon account as well.

One thing you can be sure of is that, he feels extremely inferior to you for your being Yoruba, but at the same time he is a diagnosed mythomaniac.

Encountering a Yoruba persons brings him agonizing memories of the conquest of yore which he is nevertheless stuck with as an Edo.

I kind of understand his frustrations to be frank, despite often using him for entertainment and leisure.

But what he needs to realize as a matter of urgency is that the quantum of quality schooling he has received at our hands --- as proud and noble Yorubas that we are --- can severely damage and destroy his self-inflicted ignorance.

ghostwon aka prolog3111, you can't continue living a lie, or can you?

Baba u go give these guys HBP fa.

Astark:
If I'm the governor of Edo state, I'll remove those igbos from their positions and put real Edo born there.

Those universities student will be full of Edo peoope.

There is nothing wrong with that (ie your suggestions), you dont have to make it seem like a big deal.

gomojam:
Baba u go give these guys HBP fa.

Are the Igbos now calling on Yoruba to come and bail them out? Lol.

MelesZenawi:


Audio appointment. Nobody has ever heard of such.

Secondly Benin is a federal university.

Thirdly Igbos are generally loving, cheering and friendly but you guys are full of hatred for Igbos including others like samuk.

Nna me, biko I don't hate Igbos, they are my beloved, just that it's sometimes appropriate to educate you guys, you will be surprised how many Igbo half blood nephews, nieces and cousins I have in my family, not to talk of fantastic inlaws, friends and business associates.

This is the very reason someone like me will never support Biafra break away and another war against the Igbos.

People like yourself can keep dreaming about Biafra that will never materialised.

samuk:


Nna me, biko I don't hate Igbos, they are my beloved, just that it's sometimes appropriate to educate you guys, you will be surprised how many Igbo half blood nephews, nieces and cousins I have in my family, not to talk of fantastic inlaws, friends and business associates.

This is the very reason someone like me will never support Biafra break away and another war against the Igbos.

People like yourself can keep dreaming about Biafra that will never materialised.

Dont call real people half blooded please, it's very rude. Especially since you're trying to relegate them as "inferior" to you.

Mixed is the appropriate term.

https://www.nairaland.com/5765389/dont-call-people-half-blooded

I know Nigerians hate being told to mind their utterances but you really ought to know better because I'm sure you're an adult.

nlPoster:


Dont call real people half blooded please, it's very rude.

Mixed is the appropriate term.

https://www.nairaland.com/5765389/dont-call-people-half-blooded

I know Nigerians hate being told to mind their utterances but you really ought to know better because I'm sure you're an adult.

If political correctness is the only issue here, no problem, point taken but we will not allow our beautiful Igbo wives to become citizens of one funny yeye country that will be called Biafra.